High 1-A question

[AnimesFreak2]

If a character infinitely transcends a Basline High 1-A character/realm....then that should place them one layer into High 1-A yes? ( Similar to it would work with 1-A )

And if so...that means a character who is Baseline High 1-A having a transformation or power up that is not infinitely transcendent would just place them higher into Baseline layer yes? And powering up an infinite degree would be the "peak" of that and thus would still be Baseline High 1-A ( just as high as you can go....like how you can an Infinite 3D being at the very peak of the dimension but even a finite 4D being would still be infinitely transcendent to you yeah? )

Trying to understand the higher tiers more help me out

 

[AnimesFreak2]

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[MaskedDragon908]

If a character infinitely transcends a Basline High 1-A character/realm....then that should place them one layer into High 1-A yes? ( Similar to it would work with 1-A )

And if so...that means a character who is Baseline High 1-A having a transformation or power up that is not infinitely transcendent would just place them higher into Baseline layer yes? And powering up an infinite degree would be the "peak" of that and thus would still be Baseline High 1-A ( just as high as you can go....like how you can an Infinite 3D being at the very peak of the dimension but even a finite 4D being would still be infinitely transcendent to you yeah? )

Trying to understand the higher tiers more help me out

This sounds about right.
"Infinitely transcends" is a bit vague, but there isn't a simpler way to put it; you have to prove "meta"-qualitative superiority, per the standards.
It is similar to 1-A, just a little more complicated, since you're moving from qualitative superiority to "meta"-qualitative superiority.
Of course, if you already qualified for High 1-A, then you probably already have the evidence required.

And yes, just like with other Tiers, you can be "higher" into baseline.
There are some contentions with this, but characters in fiction rarely care about our standards, and so we compromise.

Masked is also trying to understand higher tiers better.
It helps them to think of it as
High 1-B (Space and Time) < Low 1-A (Larger than Space-Time) < 1-A (R>F) < 1-A+ (Peak of R>F) < High 1-A (Superior to R>F) < We've gone too far

Edit: Disclaimer: This is likely a gross over-simplification.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

This sounds about right.
"Infinitely transcends" is a bit vague, but there isn't a simpler way to put it; you have to prove "meta"-qualitative superiority, per the standards.
It is similar to 1-A, just a little more complicated, since you're moving from qualitative superiority to "meta"-qualitative superiority.
Of course, if you already qualified for High 1-A, then you probably already have the evidence required.

And yes, just like with other Tiers, you can be "higher" into baseline.
There are some contentions with this, but characters in fiction rarely care about our standards, and so we compromise.

Masked is also trying to understand higher tiers better.
It helps them to think of it as
High 1-B (Space and Time) < Low 1-A (Larger than Space-Time) < 1-A (R>F) < 1-A+ (Peak of R>F) < High 1-A (Superior to R>F) < We've gone too far

Edit: Disclaimer: This is likely a gross over-simplification.

Thanks for the response

Some other quick questions

1. Is there a peak to the High 1-A? The only example I can recall on this site where on a verse page it was explicitly stated a character reached the "very summit" of High 1-A are Jehova/Bondye from World of Darkness. Or is it like 1-A where it just endless layers of transcending until you do it an infinite amount of times and thus you would hit High 1-A+ ( Type 1 )

> The God tiers of the verse, such as the Godheads, are at the very summit of High Outerverse level, due to creating their own fundamental Tellurian far above any hierarchal system of Tellurians an Archmaster can create.

2. I guess a similar question but for another tier. Is there a peak for 1-A+ or like 1-A it just infinitely going higher until you do it infinitely and thus hit High 1-A?

In other words it can only ever be a finite amount of layers transcended in both tiers if you get what I am saying

 

[MaskedDragon908]

1. Is there a peak to the High 1-A? The only example I can recall on this site where on a verse page it was explicitly stated a character reached the "very summit" of High 1-A are Jehova/Bondye from World of Darkness. Or is it like 1-A where it just endless layers of transcending until you do it an infinite amount of times and thus you would hit High 1-A+ ( Type 1 )

> The God tiers of the verse, such as the Godheads, are at the very summit of High Outerverse level, due to creating their own fundamental Tellurian far above any hierarchal system of Tellurians an Archmaster can create.

To put it simply, it is like 1-A.
The difference is that while 1-A caps out at the peak of qualitative superiority, High 1-A does not cap out at the peak of "meta"-qualitative superiority.
In the words of the Tiering System,

there can also be "meta"-meta-qualitative superiorities, and so forth, endlessly.

The peak of High 1-A would then be a hierarchy that includes the countless variations of "meta"-meta-meta-etc.-qualitative superiorities.
And yes, a being who is infinitely superior, to the point of encompassing this framework, would be High 1-A+.

2. I guess a similar question but for another tier. Is there a peak for 1-A+ or like 1-A it just infinitely going higher until you do it infinitely and thus hit High 1-A?

In other words it can only ever be a finite amount of layers transcended in both tiers if you get what I am saying

1-A+ is, theoretically, already the peak. It is encompassing infinite layers of 1-A and R>F. If you have someone who is R>F to a 1-A+, then they are either
A High 1-A operating on a framework superior to R>F
or
The real 1-A+, and the supposed 1-A+ is actually a fraud.

For High 1-A, it should cap out at a finite amount of layers transcended, yes.

This is how Masked understands it, and it is a somewhat simplified version of how the tiers work.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

To put it simply, it is like 1-A.
The difference is that while 1-A caps out at the peak of qualitative superiority, High 1-A does not cap out at the peak of "meta"-qualitative superiority.
In the words of the Tiering System,

The peak of High 1-A would then be a hierarchy that includes the countless variations of "meta"-meta-meta-etc.-qualitative superiorities.
And yes, a being who is infinitely superior, to the point of encompassing this framework, would be High 1-A+.

1-A+ is, theoretically, already the peak. It is encompassing infinite layers of 1-A and R>F. If you have someone who is R>F to a 1-A+, then they are either
A High 1-A operating on a framework superior to R>F
or
The real 1-A+, and the supposed 1-A+ is actually a fraud.

For High 1-A, it should cap out at a finite amount of layers transcended, yes.

This is how Masked understands it, and it is a somewhat simplified version of how the tiers work.

1. I see, so you can't have something like a "peak" of High 1-A where say a character embodies infinite layers but without transcending them ( which would entail High 1-A+ ) I guess that WoD scaling is outdated then?

2. Huh really? I mean not even necessarily R>F transcendence to 1-A+. Like with Marvel, The Beyonders are 1 Layer into 1-A+ because they transcend the omniverse ( The Eternity's True Omniversal Self ) at least that what it shows on their profile. So like standard transcendence like with 1-A you get me?

 

[MaskedDragon908]

1. I see, so you can't have something like a "peak" of High 1-A where say a character embodies infinite layers but without transcending them ( which would entail High 1-A+ ) I guess that WoD scaling is outdated then?

Masked is unsure. If they simply embody the infinite layers, but fail to properly transcend them, then perhaps that would be the peak of High 1-A. Masked knows that World of Darkness is somewhat outdated, but you would have to ask the supporters.

2. Huh really? I mean not even necessarily R>F transcendence to 1-A+. Like with Marvel, The Beyonders are 1 Layer into 1-A+ because they transcend the omniverse ( The Eternity's True Omniversal Self ) at least that what it shows on their profile. So like standard transcendence like with 1-A you get me?

And this is where we reach the limits of Masked's knowledge.
"Standard transcendence" with 1-A is R>F.
Infinite R>F would be 1-A+.
It seems The Beyonders have enough evidence to qualify for 1-A+, and qualify for transcendence, but are still below High 1-A.
Masked will have to go read the local Marvel supporter's revision threads to gain a greater understanding.

Masked is sorry that they cannot adequately answer your questions.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Masked is unsure. If they simply embody the infinite layers, but fail to properly transcend them, then perhaps that would be the peak of High 1-A. Masked knows that World of Darkness is somewhat outdated, but you would have to ask the supporters.

And this is where we reach the limits of Masked's knowledge.
"Standard transcendence" with 1-A is R>F.
Infinite R>F would be 1-A+.
It seems The Beyonders have enough evidence to qualify for 1-A+, and qualify for transcendence, but are still below High 1-A.
Masked will have to go read the local Marvel supporter's revision threads to gain a greater understanding.

Masked is sorry that they cannot adequately answer your questions.

Nah thanks bro you still the time to have answered most of my questions so I appreciate it

Will just ask the other questions some other time since it's getting late and I wanna sleep

Night man

 

[MaskedDragon908]

Nah thanks bro you still the time to have answered most of my questions so I appreciate it

Will just ask the other questions some other time since it's getting late and I wanna sleep

Night man

Good night.
Have a good rest.

 

[Vietthai96]

If a character infinitely transcends a Basline High 1-A character/realm....then that should place them one layer into High 1-A yes?

No, that is still baseline High 1A, just infinitely stronger into it, for higher layer you need to transcend the baseline High 1-A like the baseline transcend the whole framework of 1-A

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

No, that is still baseline High 1A, just infinitely stronger into it, for higher layer you need to transcend the baseline High 1-A like the baseline transcend the whole framework of 1-A

That is wrong too. For a layer into it, you just need to transcend the whole framework of quantity, while transcending baseline High 1-A, like the baseline transcends the whole framework of 1-A, would be meta-meta High 1-A, since you are transcending the quality itself that defines the meta High 1-A layers, not the genus of quantity at that level

 

[Vietthai96]

That is wrong too. For a layer into it, you just need to transcend the whole framework of quantity, while transcending baseline High 1-A, like the baseline transcends the whole framework of 1-A, would be meta-meta High 1-A, since you are transcending the quality itself that defines the meta High 1-A layers, not the genus of quantity at that level

Wait?, isn't this the same way i phased the logic?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Wait?, isn't this the same way i phased the logic?

Not really. The better phrasing would be to say the difference between layers in a meta High 1-A is the same as the difference between 1-A layers themselves. Your phrasing only worked for 'meta'-meta qualitative superiorities etc, not for the layers within them.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

1. Is there a peak to the High 1-A?

Yes, High 1-A+.

Or is it like 1-A where it just endless layers of transcending until you do it an infinite amount of times and thus you would hit High 1-A+ ( Type 1 )

Thats not enough to hit High 1-A+. Being infinite layers into High 1-A is still High 1-A, just higher into it.

Is there a peak for 1-A+ or like 1-A it just infinitely going higher until you do it infinitely and thus hit High 1-A?

There isnt. If someone is 1-A+ and you transcend it, you are still 1-A+ but higher into it. Even if its infinite layers above it, it's still 1-A+.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Yes, High 1-A+.

Thats not enough to hit High 1-A+. Being infinite layers into High 1-A is still High 1-A, just higher into it.

There isnt. If someone is 1-A+ and you transcend it, you are still 1-A+ but higher into it. Even if its infinite layers above it, it's still 1-A+.

- That's what I mean, like I know High 1-A+ is technically the peak of High 1-A. That is to transcend the infinite hierachy of High 1-A entirely right? But is there like a "peak" to High 1-A without hitting High 1-A+

Like rather than transcend the infinite framework entirely ( which would entail High 1-A+ ) would being infinite layers without transcendence entail I guess the "2nd highest level" into High 1-A?

Same goes for 1-A+. That what I was asking and I think you just answered it. I am aware that transcending a Baseline 1-A+ realm would be just one layer into it, but I was asking if there was a peak to the tier. Like with 1-A I know there isn't since transcendence an infinite amount of times would make you 1-A+. There is no "peak" to 1-A since you would just keep going finitely....but I wasn't sure if it was like that with 1-A+ or there CAN be infinite 1-A+ layers without transcending into High 1-A ya get me?

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Not really. The better phrasing would be to say the difference between layers in a meta High 1-A is the same as the difference between 1-A layers themselves. Your phrasing only worked for 'meta'-meta qualitative superiorities etc, not for the layers within them.

So wait were me and masked were looking at it was wrong then?

So if I transcend a baseline High 1-A realm the same way I would a 1-A realm it would not put me 1 layer into High 1-A?

It would have to be R>F tier transcendence ( same way you can get baseline High 1-A by doing so to a 1-A+ realm ) then?

 

[MaskedDragon908]

So if I transcend a baseline High 1-A realm the same way I would a 1-A realm it would not put me 1 layer into High 1-A?

It would have to be R>F tier transcendence ( same way you can get baseline High 1-A by doing so to a 1-A+ realm ) then?

This sounds about right.
"Infinitely transcends" is a bit vague, but there isn't a simpler way to put it; you have to prove "meta"-qualitative superiority, per the standards.
It is similar to 1-A, just a little more complicated, since you're moving from qualitative superiority to "meta"-qualitative superiority.

This is what Masked alluded to here.
The layers of High 1-A are not the same as 1-A, just similar.
You can't get High 1-A from normal R>F, since R>F is the standard hierarchy for 1-A (qualitative superiority).
You can only get High 1-A from "meta"-qualitative superiority. You would need a separate and superior hierarchy from R>F.
It's why High 1-A requires so much evidence.