High 1-A+ question

[Wankbreaker]

Is manipulating an infinite amount of possibilities/every possibility enough to get High 1-A+?

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Shouldn't be, it's just manipulating what can happen, it's not a reality fiction transcendence to even qualify for 1-A.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Shouldn't be, it's just manipulating what can happen, it's not a reality fiction transcendence to even qualify for 1-A.

Let’s say the verse already qualifies for 1-A, what then?

also, the high 1-a+ section says this:,but im not sure if im interpreting it right.

The apex of this tier, represented also by a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Outerverse level+), corresponds to characters whose power encompasses meta-qualities, meta-meta-qualities, and any and all conceivable extensions of this process, being on a which in which their power influences the space of all logically possible worlds ("Logical space," where the laws governing it are the three laws of thought), being characters who either have the ability to actualize arbitrarily large worlds, or embody the framework of such worlds itself.

That said, characters who embody the framework of all possible worlds properly speaking may be rightly considered more powerful than those that can simply create arbitrarily big possible worlds while nevertheless existing in one.

 

[RaveeCPN]

It depends on what kind of possibilities we are talking about here.

If he/she has control over all logical possibilities and can manipulate them as he/she wishes, then it can be High 1-A+ Type 1, IMO. But simply stating all possibilities would be vague and insufficient.

I think it also depends on what manipulation means in this case. If it's something like actualizing them, then it would definitely be Type 1.

 

[Wankbreaker]

It depends on what kind of possibilities we are talking about here.

If he/she has control over all logical possibilities and can manipulate them as he/she wishes, then it can be High 1-A+ Type 1, IMO. But simply stating all possibilities would be vague and insufficient.

I think it also depends on what manipulation means in this case. If it's something like actualizing them, then it would definitely be Type 1.

It depends on what kind of possibilities we are talking about here.

If he/she has control over all logical possibilities and can manipulate them as he/she wishes, then it can be High 1-A+ Type 1, IMO. But simply stating all possibilities would be vague and insufficient.

I think it also depends on what manipulation means in this case. If it's something like actualizing them, then it would definitely be Type 1.

The character in question instantaneously creates a multiverse with an infinite amount of possibilities, each of them being represented by their own universe.

 

[RaveeCPN]

The character in question instantaneously creates a multiverse with an infinite amount of possibilities, each of them being represented by their own universe.

I don't think it is High 1-A+ unless it is stated or implied that they are logical possibilities. They can be nomological possibilities and that in itself does not make the feat higher than Tier 2.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Keep in mind logical possibilities aren't the only way to reach High 1-A+. For instance, Nemo does it by encompasses all possible character strings, with each one corresponding to a possibility that it embodies (with the only reason this isn't 0 being the pretty strict restrictions the Tier encompasses for those reaching it). Pretty sure I've also come up with something that qualifies as well for my own purposes

But "Infinite Possibilities" alone wouldn't be enough regardless of whether the cosmology is already 1-A or not, unless they explain the nature of those possibilities in enough detail.

In other words: Could it be High 1-A+ ? Definitely, Is it High 1-A+ based on what you've shown so far ? No.

 

[Wankbreaker]

I don't think it is High 1-A+ unless it is stated or implied that they are logical possibilities. They can be nomological possibilities and that in itself does not make the feat higher than Tier 2.

what’s the difference?

although, it is described as a “logical trap”, and being “materialized by thought”

 

[Samlex1234]

Following

 

[RaveeCPN]

what’s the difference?

Nomological possibilities include only those possible situations that are in accordance with the laws of nature. And they're only a subset of the set of all logical possibilities.

Logical possibilities, include what is possible within the laws of thought, without being subject to any limitation related to the laws of nature*. That's why all logical possibilities also include qualitative superiority and all of its variants like meta-qualitatives etc.

*Though, the first thing I said about logical possibilities is the case when deciding whether something is logically possible or not. Some logical possibilities are limited in this way by laws of nature, since possibilities that are accordance with laws of nature (nomological possibilities) are also part of logical possibilities.