Heroes Rising Spoiler Thread: The Sequel

[Therefir]

Well, shit.

 

[Damage3245]

Huh. So their feats are actually 7-A and High 7-A? Well, that's not so bad.

 

[Utenok123]

its much, much higher I looked at these calculations and punched my forehead with my hand .

 

[Therefir]

In an interesting turn of events, All Might's feat is now slightly higher than Nine's.

Now we have to decide whether Nine's feat should be divided by two to be applied to Deku and Bakugou or if they simply should scale from Nine's full power individually.

 

[Damage3245]

Can't their dispersal of Nine's storm/tornado be calced separately to Nine creating the storm?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Back at it again wth this feat not stabilizing. Can't wait for 2 months from now when AM goes right back to island level.

 

[Therefir]

@Damage3245 They apparently took 20 seconds to overcome Nine's storm, so there's no point in calculating that feat.

And since Nine was actively trying to push them back with his storm, the timeframe we have is not going to be the same as if the storm had been completely still.

 

[BlackeJan]

In an interesting turn of events, All Might's feat is now slightly higher than Nine's.
Now we have to decide whether Nine's feat should be divided by two to be applied to Deku and Bakugou or if they simply should scale from Nine's full power individually.

It needs to be split apart. Deku even said that him at 100% by himself cant do it so he needed another person as well. Not only that but (idk how this works) but the moment Deku have Bakugou OFA, he started weakening

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

As he burns through his remnants, his body starts conserving what's left more and more.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'm pretty sure they'd scale.

If the storm isn't Environmental Destruction, which it isn't, and it scales to Nine, which it should, since Izuku and Katsuki's attacks were able to overpower him, they would scale too.

 

[Kidkinsey]

If both were at there strongest Deku would win if it wasn't from Nen crush.

i thought nen crush was no longer a thing on here

 

[Kingofwolves999]

It still is.

Also, Deku would obliterate Gon with a sweep of his hand at his best, but gets stomped on at any less. That fight isn't exactly balanced.

 

[PsychicCipher]

Okay, who will update Izuku and Katsuki's profiles? And add Nine soon?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I could try and work on Nine's page.

But, I'm not very good at my native language.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

There's a scene from the Villains Trailer where Izuku's St. Louis Smash is being blocked by Nine, and it says something about 100% not being enough. It was in Japanese though, so I don't know if Izuku used basic 100% against base Nine or if that dialogue was taken from the scene where Nine first develops the tornado.

 

[Damage3245]

That definitely wasn't 100% in that scene, because his legs would have been broken.

 

[Sora_and_buff_riku]

It's a trailer he doesn't say that.

 

[Spinoirr]

yeah thats from another part of the movie

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Thanks.

And, on the topic of 100%, since FC100% Izuku and Katsuki overpowered the storm which Therefir pointed out was being used by Nine to push their attack, would they scale to his storm feat? I'm not sure his barriers scale to his weather manipulation, and besides overpowering the storm, the only feats they have are overpowering his barriers and two-shotting him, but we don't know how powerful he is, in his second "state," physically.

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

I think Nine's feat should be a tad bit quicker? It took like 2-4 seconds instead of 6 if my brain isn't failing rn

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

Oh wait, I saw the reasoning. Nvm then

 

[CloverDragon03]

There's a scene from the Villains Trailer where Izuku's St. Louis Smash is being blocked by Nine, and it says something about 100% not being enough. It was in Japanese though, so I don't know if Izuku used basic 100% against base Nine or if that dialogue was taken from the scene where Nine first develops the tornado.

Pretty sure that's in his first fight with Nine. I remember that scene, and he was saying that not even 20% is enough. It's the feat we used to support 20% Deku's tier placement

 

[Therefir]

I definitely think we should split the result for Deku and Bakugou, as we don't know if Nine's other Quirks have the same amount of power as his Weather Operations. The final result would be still High 7-A.

 

[Damage3245]

Judging by the amount of damage his other Quirks were doing, they're definitely not on the same level. (Blah, blah, AoE fallacy, whatever.)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

So is the storm dispersal not going to be calc'd?

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

I also feel like for Nine's page you could add how he becomes stronger than before once he enters rage mode

 

[Sora_and_buff_riku]

Pretty sure Nine flues he doesn't levitate.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

So is the storm dispersal not going to be calc'd?

It took place over twenty-two seconds.

20000 / 22 = 909.091 m/s.

(0.5)(10083259300000)(909.091^2) = 4.16663691e18 joules / 2 = 2.08331846e18.

Not even Mountain level+.

That's assuming they moved the entire mass of the storm across twnenty kilometers.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Would Nine bringing the storm with his Quirk count as Lifting Strength with Weather Manipulation? If so, it would be Class T.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Nine himself should scale to his storm, at least physically. His other quirks are weaker, but there's not much to suggest he himself is substantially weaker than his own attack that he manipulated with ease. He's very clearly above Deku and Bakugo's Air Pressure attacks, as he took a couple direct hits before going down, though still with ease.

The result can be halved, but it's not Deku and Bakugo's actual AP, since it was with their air pressure alone.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

This feat is like a mix of AM/Deku's feat in the movie and AM's tornado feat. It was done by two people, so it's halved, but since it was done with air pressure, they physically scale higher than it.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also, he was on the island he was going to destroy. He clearly believed he was capable of tanking his own attack. Or he went insane, idk.

 

[Therefir]

Yes that would be Class T with Weather Operations.

On another note, I'm to give a new key to most 9-A+ students for being able to barely survive the attacks of a weakened Nine and somewhat react to him.

That would make them 8-C with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed. After almost an entire year of training, this makes a lot of sense to me. The Pro Heroes would be upgraded to Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed for being able to keep up with students while wearing weighs.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"there's not much to suggest he himself is substantially weaker than his own attack"

It's a weather manipulating Quirk. The power should only scale to his Quirk, because he isn't manipulating the storm with his body.

"he took a couple direct hits before going down"

He took one St. Louis Smash to the face, which pretty much knocked him out (either his eyes closed or his eyes blanked, I can't remember), and Katsuki's explosion charred him (as seen in the flower scene).

"Also, he was on the island he was going to destroy. He clearly believed he was capable of tanking his own attack."

He was engulfed in rage. He most likely wanted to take out Izuku and Katsuki and then clear out the storm. This is basically like when Demigra said he'd destroy history and then make his own. It doesn't suggest he can regenerate, it suggests that he can manipulate the effects of the history erasure, since he did absorb Toki Toki who controls all of time. Nine can manipulate the weather and make sure it didn't hurt him if he wanted.

"it's not Deku and Bakugo's actual AP, since it was with their air pressure alone."

Y'all mentioned earlier that Izuku's 20% air pressures are comparable to his 8% attacks, which means his 20% air pressures are 2.5x weaker overall. If we use that to scale the other percentages, that would make their storm dispersal feat 2.5x stronger than it already is, which is 1.25 gigatons of tnt. But, if we use the AP on the Weather Operations blog, we get 2.8 gigatons of tnt, which is understandably higher than Nine's.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Nine could react to 20% Izuku and even build barriers before he could attack him, but Katsuki was able to kick his arm before he set up a barrier. Would that upgrade Rise of Villains Saga Katsuki to Hypersonic+?

 

[Therefir]

He was instantly thrown away by a dragon without being able to react, so he shouldn't scale at all. He doesn't have any feat close to that level either, and that would contradict the statement about him being comparable to 8% Deku.

I think this would only scale to Nine's reaction speed, while his combat speed would be lower.

 

[CloverDragon03]

"Y'all mentioned earlier that Izuku's 20% air pressures are comparable to his 8% attacks, which means his 20% air pressures are 2.5x weaker overall. If we use that to scale the other percentages, that would make their storm dispersal feat 2.5x stronger than it already is, which is 1.25 gigatons of tnt. But, if we use the AP on the Weather Operations blog, we get 2.8 gigatons of tnt, which is understandably higher than Nine's.

So this means the feat would be either 3.125 gigatons or 7 gigatons?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

That is not how Deku's percentages work at all. He is not 2.5x stronger at 20% than 8%. According to a calc, he's over 3x stronger. Do you think 5% is 1.6x weaker than 8%? Because that would make 8% barely baseline high 8-c, despite him hurting characters above that.

His percentages are not literal. If they were, 100% wouldn't even be town level, or inversely, 8% would be mountain level.

Also, what implications are there that Nine is physically any weaker than his own storm? Especially in his rage mode when he's pumping all his medicine?

Bakugo and Izuku hit him twice before the final hits. He got hit with an explosion from Bakugo, then got drill kicked by Deku. After that, he got Final Smashed and Torched. He got 3-4 shot, enough to know he is physically above his storm since he's taking hits that are way above the air pressure that destroyed his attack. He's not taking them well at all, but he would've been one shot if he wasn't somewhat comparable, if not higher than his attack.

 

[Therefir]

I also wonder if 20% Deku should be downgraded to Hypersonic, since in the anime he couldn't really blitz Overhaul, it's probably that we misunderstood what truly happened here.