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@Dienomite
I mainly disagree with two points you've made. Overall, I think your claims hold water, but there are a few small details that could change things a little bit:
1. Lilith and Tyreen at their base levels are equal. In the first fight, Lilith and Tyreen's power output matched before Lilith's greater experience allowed her to get some hits in and rough up Troy. While Lilith was distracted by the fact that Troy was a Siren, something that should have been impossible since Sirens could only be women, Tyreen took the opportunity to start absorbing Lilith's powers. If any other Siren besides her attempted a move like that, Lilith could have kept fighting.
Here's the clip as proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4LgA5D3EtU (0:21-1:51)
2. Maya and Zer0 should scale to the BL3 Vault Hunters since Maya helped fight The Rampager and Zer0 helped fight Katagawa Jr. A case can also probably be made for Brick and Mordecai to be comparable as well for their involvement on Eden-6. If it makes it easier, seperate keys for each game can be made for each Vault Hunter since it's implied that Lilith, for example, only got more powerful with each game
I mainly disagree with two points you've made. Overall, I think your claims hold water, but there are a few small details that could change things a little bit:
1. Lilith and Tyreen at their base levels are equal. In the first fight, Lilith and Tyreen's power output matched before Lilith's greater experience allowed her to get some hits in and rough up Troy. While Lilith was distracted by the fact that Troy was a Siren, something that should have been impossible since Sirens could only be women, Tyreen took the opportunity to start absorbing Lilith's powers. If any other Siren besides her attempted a move like that, Lilith could have kept fighting.
Here's the clip as proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4LgA5D3EtU (0:21-1:51)
2. Maya and Zer0 should scale to the BL3 Vault Hunters since Maya helped fight The Rampager and Zer0 helped fight Katagawa Jr. A case can also probably be made for Brick and Mordecai to be comparable as well for their involvement on Eden-6. If it makes it easier, seperate keys for each game can be made for each Vault Hunter since it's implied that Lilith, for example, only got more powerful with each game
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@Lavcore
That's what I though too but there really is no answer. After Tyreen is killed the Destroyer is never mentioned again and the threat to Pandora was Elpis because it was too close to Pandora which would open Pandora in it's entirety and destroy everything on it's surface. I wasn't going to scale her to the Destroyer originally but it's really up in the air as to wether or not the Destroyer is still alive but I could be wrong because I only recently beat the game and could have missed something.
@Sorvoe
1. This is true but it holds little meaning unless Lilith being boosted by Eridium gets a possibly 5-C rating or beginning of the game Tyreen and Lilith being High 7-C which probably makes more sense because Lilith and Tyreen aren't using all their power in their fight.
2. Only mid to late game BL3 vault hunters scale because that's when you face Troy and Tyreen. The Rampager and Katagawa Jr where all in the beginning of the game and the bosses have no way to scale to Troy or Tyreen tier I believe. I wouldn't add Brick or Mordecai either since Eden-6 stuff also takes place before the mid to late game and the boss there doesn't scale to Troy or Tyreen. Lilith is the only one I can see as growing more powerful with each game because that's whats shown in BL2 and 3.
That's what I though too but there really is no answer. After Tyreen is killed the Destroyer is never mentioned again and the threat to Pandora was Elpis because it was too close to Pandora which would open Pandora in it's entirety and destroy everything on it's surface. I wasn't going to scale her to the Destroyer originally but it's really up in the air as to wether or not the Destroyer is still alive but I could be wrong because I only recently beat the game and could have missed something.
@Sorvoe
1. This is true but it holds little meaning unless Lilith being boosted by Eridium gets a possibly 5-C rating or beginning of the game Tyreen and Lilith being High 7-C which probably makes more sense because Lilith and Tyreen aren't using all their power in their fight.
2. Only mid to late game BL3 vault hunters scale because that's when you face Troy and Tyreen. The Rampager and Katagawa Jr where all in the beginning of the game and the bosses have no way to scale to Troy or Tyreen tier I believe. I wouldn't add Brick or Mordecai either since Eden-6 stuff also takes place before the mid to late game and the boss there doesn't scale to Troy or Tyreen. Lilith is the only one I can see as growing more powerful with each game because that's whats shown in BL2 and 3.
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I have a question, whats wrong with it also being just 4-C?
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Actually, nothing. 4-C makes more sense.
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Yeah thats what I was thing too, but for real man you deserve props for doing all of this. But hows the speed going anyway?
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Thanks, I feel like I'm still missing more feats but that's what a subsequent playthroughs are for.
Regarding speed, I want to establish tiering first before doing anything with speed but what I do know is Relativistic and FTL speeds are definitely within the realm of possiblities.
Regarding speed, I want to establish tiering first before doing anything with speed but what I do know is Relativistic and FTL speeds are definitely within the realm of possiblities.
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I agree.
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Me and Dienomite22 waiting for new revisions.
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I agree.
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If it's actual ghost yes, I haven't played the update yet but I believe they could also have it from being able to hit/shoot the Guardian's "soul" which, although aren't real souls and instead are data that some how acts as souls, but ability additions are something that should be handled seperately since there is alot to add.
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Yea but only if the VH's can shoot the ghost before they possess humans
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Then yep that would count but it has to something that's canon and actually happens aswell.
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I just started playing the quest and yea this qualifies as NPI and should be canon
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Bump some sataff on their walls with this to come take a look, or anyone else knowledgeable if there's anyone else. Not much won't happen if you don't place this in people's faces.
Also, I agree with this though I think there should be some more talk for potentially missing hax stuff. I also kinda wanna talk more about the 5-C rating but I have to get home first aaaagh.
Also, I agree with this though I think there should be some more talk for potentially missing hax stuff. I also kinda wanna talk more about the 5-C rating but I have to get home first aaaagh.
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I agree.
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BUt yes, be totally rude and poke people with this thread.Dienomite22 said:
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I think we should create a new thread with the new proposals to make reading so it can be comprehended more easily and staff doesn't have to search the whole thread.
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Huh, that's actually a good point. Should we mainly focus on speed and AP issues plus any other small hijinks, or should we also invite discussion into possibly missing hax?
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I would probably keep focus on AP and Speed for now since I can't manage gathering and listing the copious amount of missing abilities along with talking about AP and Speed which I'd imagine would take up most of the discussion.
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That's fair. When do you think you'd be able to do it?
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I could do it right now but don't want to forget to mention so you can mention anything here worth bringing up regarding speed or ap and I'll put it in the thread.
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Beyond what you've brought I don't think there's much else. Though, are we still gonna try to get much out of Lilith flying to the moon in a few seconds for a possible movement speed boost to her and stuff like that?
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