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I guess Wolverine scales to his claws coming out of his hands...
Yeah? What’s wrong with that one.

Would you scale to your arm if it hit someone with 10^6 Joules? Or, since it is growing out of your body, it wouldn’t scale to anything and you’d still have 10-B dura? Or maybe there is a freaking reason why your body doesn’t explode from such thing coming out of your body?

Also ironic given that YOU were the one who came up with this arg, I just picked it up.
 
On this same exact page here you say this;

This is you saying that he tanks damage that's breaking through his flesh. Again, an oxymoron. You can't take no damage from something that's breaking through his flesh. That in itself is damage. All i'm asking is you give me two sentences on how that makes sense.
What if he just has holes on his back that open up and let them out? head cannon as hell, but it would be one way to explain it...or yknow, this
isnt it as easy as:
Low 7-C dura
tentacles PEIRCE through with equivalent force (they don't even go through his skin tho, cuz they summon on any surface, like his back)
 
Yeah? What’s wrong with that one.

Would you scale to your arm if it hit someone with 10^6 Joules? Or, since it is growing out of your body, it wouldn’t scale to anything and you’d still have 10-B dura? Or maybe there is a freaking reason why your body doesn’t explode from such thing coming out of your body?

Also ironic given that YOU were the one who came up with this arg, I just picked it up.
His claws explicitly provide higher AP, thusly, they go through him easily and his tendons/muscles?? dont have to work very hard to get them through
 
Yeah? What’s wrong with that one.

Would you scale to your arm if it hit someone with 10^6 Joules? Or, since it is growing out of your body, it wouldn’t scale to anything and you’d still have 10-B dura? Or maybe there is a freaking reason why your body doesn’t explode from such thing coming out of your body?

Also ironic given that YOU were the one who came up with this arg, I just picked it up.
Something far above your durability doesn't make you explode unless it inherently makes someone explode on contact, you do know that right?
 
Nuke durability scaling to striking strength from website and there you go!
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Durability scales to Durability. Striking Strength has literally nothing to do with this. Pages that scale to their Durability without harming someone who's harmed them are subject to revision.
 
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Durability scales to Durability. Striking Strength has literally nothing to do with this. Pages that scale to their Durability without harming someone who's harmed them are subject to revision.
Newton's third law directly says Durability scales to Striking Strength?
 
Doesn’t work like that.

If that’s the case, third Newton law still applies.
then they just summon ON his back, and he either doesnt scale to them or he does depending on which one of my marvelous explanations you like
my reasoning is that I thought overlord magic scaled to their physicals a little due to how they gain power in the first place.
My thought process is:
1 soul gained = +1 to strength and magic

not

1 soul gained = +0.5 to strength +1 to magic
 
Newton's third law directly says Durability scales to Striking Strength?
other way around, If someone's attack doesn't give them pain their durability would scale.

the issue is Alastor's physical body isn't doing the attacks, it's the tentacles themselves. so Alastor himself wouldn't scale in that context.
 
Does literally no one want to give their opinion on this:

My thought process is:
1 soul gained = +1 to strength and magic

not

1 soul gained = +0.5 to strength +1 to magic
 
Does literally no one want to give their opinion on this:

My thought process is:
1 soul gained = +1 to strength and magic

not

1 soul gained = +0.5 to strength +1 to magic
Overlords is a status of control and power, not just physical prowess. Vox and the Vees have basically all control over every single ring of hell because their technology is sold to just about everyone, including the seven deadly sins and they're presumably one of the weakest overlords there are. We don't know how souls function into that.

It's a oversimplification that doesn't account for the obvious fact that Vox isn't as strong as how that logic would work.
 
Newton's third law directly says Durability scales to Striking Strength?
WRONG!

Newton's third law says that each action has an equal and opposite reaction. This applies DURABILITY to ATTACK POTENCY/STRIKING STRENGTH. If you throw a tier 8 punch and you're 10-B, you'll literally destroy yourself thanks to the reaction, hence why punching someone with X amount of force is a durability feat.

Alastor's tentacles would scale in durability if they were actually tier 7(they ain't lol) and even if we say they're attached to Alastor's back, he's getting a literal minute fraction of the AP the tentacles would be putting out at 44 Kilotons.
Does literally no one want to give their opinion on this:

My thought process is:
1 soul gained = +1 to strength and magic

not

1 soul gained = +0.5 to strength +1 to magic
Here's the response:
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All we know is sinners get stronger with more souls, we do NOT know how much stronger.
 
Newton's third law says that each action has an equal and opposite reaction. This applies DURABILITY to ATTACK POTENCY/STRIKING STRENGTH. If you throw a tier 8 punch and you're 10-B, you'll literally destroy yourself thanks to the reaction, hence why punching someone with X amount of force is a durability feat.
Yeah... which is what I meant when I said Durability scales to Striking Strength? (not really good with wording it.)
 
Yeah... which is what I meant when I said Durability scales to Striking Strength? (not really good with wording it.)
Yeah but how would Alastor scale to that? his tentacles are a separate entity to him and the AP they put out are completely unrelated to what he himself does.

Technically speaking if we do seperate Alastor's physical stats and his tentacle stats what would Alastor scale to physically? doesn't he have little to no actual feats without his magic?
 
Okay so prove it.

Like seriously, I'm waiting.
I dunno, we treated goetic demons being glass cannons like thats special to them, and carmilla exists, though, all her stats could have just gone to physicals IG instead of magic? Alastor is the strongest sinner in hell, so I thought that meant in all catagories
 
Yeah but how would Alastor scale to that? his tentacles are a separate entity to him and the AP they put out are completely unrelated to what he himself does.

Technically speaking if we do seperate Alastor's physical stats and his tentacle stats what would Alastor scale to physically? doesn't he have little to no actual feats without his magic?
upscale the sinners who have 8-B, being an overlord they couldnt hurt him with a punch so 8-A at least
 
Overlords is a status of control and power, not just physical prowess.
Disagree with that, overlords are shown to be physically stronger than sinners.
Valentino easily beating up Angel who can tank being slammed by Sir Pentious
Alastor who is stated to be capable of knocking out Sir Pentious in one strike, who survived getting slammed by his tentacles. (Alastor didn't take Sir Pentious seriously which is why I see that it makes sense.)
Carmilla easily beating Vaggie who is around sinners level.
they're presumably one of the weakest overlords there are.
Where is that ever actually implied? I mean Vox is taken as Alastor's rival, who while yes absolutely does not take him seriously, also didn't take Lucifer or Adam seriously so I think the logic follows.
We don't know how souls function into that.
Empowers them and kind of shown to be related to physical stats. 🤷‍♂️
 
other way around, If someone's attack doesn't give them pain their durability would scale.

the issue is Alastor's physical body isn't doing the attacks, it's the tentacles themselves. so Alastor himself wouldn't scale in that context.
His body is directly connected to tentacles, so the energy directed at General of Exorcists would return to him anyways.

Why is everyone ignoring this anyways?
Would you scale to your arm if it hit someone with 10^6 Joules? Or, since it is growing out of your body, it wouldn’t scale to anything and you’d still have 10-B dura? Or maybe there is a freaking reason why your body doesn’t explode from such thing coming out of your body?
 
His body is directly connected to tentacles, so the energy directed at General of Exorcists would return to him anyways.

Why is everyone ignoring this anyways?
1) Alastor is getting like 1/100000000000th of the energy thanks to how far the energy has to travel.

2) the tentacles coming out of Alastor isn't a durability feat for him, as that is an INCREDIBLY slippery slope that goes up to: "Humans scale to getting hit by a car even though several bones broke from it". If you want to claim that, scale Ace fully to Akainu in One Piece...
Akainu-tue-Ace.jpg

...Yeah, does this look like a man who scales? Be honest with me.
 
Disagree with that, overlords are shown to be physically stronger than sinners.
Three (Alastor, Carmilla, the Vees) of many overlords have shown feats, the rest are nameless (or named) background characters or haven't shown anything at all. Hard to confirm that all of them are stronger than sinners.
Where is that ever actually implied? I mean Vox is taken as Alastor's rival, who while yes absolutely does not take him seriously, also didn't take Lucifer or Adam seriously so I think the logic follows.
None of the overlords take the vees seriously. They're considered clowns in their field. It's not just Alastor. Carmilla's song during the Overlord meeting showed us that.
Empowers them and kind of shown to be related to physical stats. 🤷‍♂️
I was unaware of that. Where was that said?
 
the very way they get stronger is souls, it'd be weird if physicals weren't included, Val and Al have proven their strength physically before
Acording to Vaggie Alastor first showed up and then took down overlords overnight. If their physicals were tied to the amount of souls they owned Alastor wouldn't have been able to do what he did to become an Overlord.
 
Three (Alastor, Carmilla, the Vees) of many overlords have shown feats, the rest are nameless (or named) background characters or haven't shown anything at all. Hard to confirm that all of them are stronger than sinners.
That doesn't mean it's restricted to them, it's consistent with the idea that they're all overlords beating up sinners.
None of the overlords take the vees seriously. They're considered clowns in their field. It's not just Alastor. Carmilla's song during the Overlord meeting showed us that.
They're considered clowns yes, that's not being considered "weakest" though, especially if someone like Vox is treated as Alastor's rival.
I was unaware of that. Where was that said?
"how the hierarchy works is that they acquire their powers through making deals." (the physical part is me saying it's implied.)
Acording to Vaggie Alastor first showed up and then took down overlords overnight. If their physicals were tied to the amount of souls they owned Alastor wouldn't have been able to do what he did to become an Overlord.
That would be the case if we were talking about a normal sinner, except for the fact we know Alastor made a deal, which is the only thing that differentiates him for any other overlord, it's clear that said deal is what made him powerful enough to take on these overlords immediately after entering hell.
 
1) Alastor is getting like 1/100000000000th of the energy thanks to how far the energy has to travel.
The beginning of the tentacle is where the source of movement is tho?
2) the tentacles coming out of Alastor isn't a durability feat for him, as that is an INCREDIBLY slippery slope that goes up to: "Humans scale to getting hit by a car even though several bones broke from it".
It isn’t exactly the same. Alastor feels when being stabbed from the axe, but doesn’t at all from them growing out of his body. It’s more of them becoming part of said body, kind of how additional limbs work. Unless you wanna make Alastor a negative IQ character who breaks his spine just cuz he can (while he can just summon them from earth).
If you want to claim that, scale Ace fully to Akainu in One Piece...
Akainu-tue-Ace.jpg

...Yeah, does this look like a man who scales? Be honest with me.
Not knowledgeable on One Piece, nor interested in animanga scale in general.
 
That doesn't mean it's restricted to them, it's consistent with the idea that they're all overlords beating up sinners.
But we don't know how any of the overlords besides the vees, alastor, and camila got their role as an overlord? The rest of them are just kinda there. and for the people we do know how they took power only ONE was through sheer power (Alastor), the other two was because they're essentially CEOs of big companies.
They're considered clowns yes, that's not being considered "weakest" though, especially if someone like Vox is treated as Alastor's rival.
Alastor himself says he isn't even the strongest in hell. That doesn't exactly scream top of the food chain.
thats a very very very loose implication.
That would be the case if we were talking about a normal sinner, except for the fact we know Alastor made a deal, which is the only thing that differentiates him for any other overlord, it's clear that said deal is what made him powerful enough to take on these overlords immediately after entering hell.
fair nough. But it does mean you can't use him as a standard for anything since he's an odd ball, including how souls influence power.
It isn’t exactly the same. Alastor feels when being stabbed from the axe, but doesn’t at all from them growing out of his body. It’s more of them becoming part of said body, kind of how additional limbs work. Unless you wanna make Alastor a negative IQ character who breaks his spine just cuz he can (while he can just summon them from earth).
If he does grow it out of his spin why doesn't his jacket get damaged?
Not knowledgeable on One Piece, nor interested in animanga scale in general.
You don't need to be a genius to realize someone doesn't scale getting an arm through their gut.
 
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