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Heavenly Restriction vs Possessing Spirit (Maki Zenin vs Tokita Ohma.)

LordGinSama

LordGinSama

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Thought this one would be an interesting match, those are don't use magic but rather their skills and physical might.


Stats will be equalized for this fight, and the mind set of both is a sparring match so no lethal abilities (I.E Soul Katana and Chi-Blockage.)


Speed is equalized and the battle takes place in The Underground Arena.

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Ohma: 0

Maki: 0

Incon: 0
 
hmm hard to say, both characters have their advantages over the other

ohma is overall more skilled and has a stat boosting ability with advance which allows him to punch hard enough to knock out people who are on his level so it would be a big thing against maki in this fight but he loves to play around a bit too much in an attempt to push himself.

maki has a big thing against ohma here which is her Enhanced Senses and Analytical Prediction which is honestly just a far better version of the kangan pre-initiative as it allowed her to outright start blitzing and destroying an opponent who was blitzing and destroying her just a few seconds ago so she should be able to see all of his moves coming before they fly allowing for a considerable advantage and she also doesn't screw around she goes for the kill/knockout as soon as she can.

I Honestly don't know which one wins here I will wait for other people's input to come to a consensus here
 
Sir_sun_man said:
which is honestly just a far better version of the kangan pre-initiative as it allowed her to outright start blitzing and destroying an opponent who was blitzing and destroying her just a few seconds ago so she should be able to see all of his moves coming before they fly allowing for a considerable advantage and she also doesn't screw around she goes for the kill/knockout as soon as she can.
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Gonna have to hard disagree there, Ohma also has his own Analytical Prediction and Enhanced Senses that allow him to react to people many times faster than him, scales above Asura Keneda's which let's him see 100+ steps ahead of the opponent. In Kengan some people even have layered Analytical Prediction, and Ohma is one of those people.





He also have Formless moves which offer inherent resistance to Analytical Prediction via things like Demonsbane.
Sir_sun_man said:
but he loves to play around a bit too much in an attempt to push himself.
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That's Asura Ohma from the early chapters, he'll definitely have fun but he won't pull punches, that's something that he's never done. Ohma loved his fight against Lolong and Cosmo but as we see he takes things seriously and will end the fight quickly.

Also that's more of Baki Hanma's trait, he'll play around and lower his stats to enjoy a fight. Ever since the first few chapters of Asura, we see him always using the best tactics but simply talked shit while doing so.
 
LordGinSama said:
Gonna have to hard disagree there, Ohma also has his own Analytical Prediction and Enhanced Senses that allow him to react to people many times faster than him, scales above Asura Keneda's which let's him see 100+ steps ahead of the opponent. In Kengan some people even have layered Analytical Prediction, and Ohma is one of those people.
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ohmas prediction is based on a person movements while maki's is based on everything movement included, air presure, tempreture shifts the whole 9 yards her analytical prediciton outright allows her to see whats coming without even looking at her opponent could be seen in her dodging naoya while he is behind her, mid air so while pre-initiative would allow ohma to not be left in the dust by what amounts to full fledge precognition but not enough to match someone who can see and anylize down to the air currents and tempreture of air through eyesight alone

LordGinSama said:
He also have Formless moves which offer inherent resistance to Analytical Prediction via things like Demonsbane.
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not fully immune to prediction as kuroki was able to predict and counter an advanced demonsbane with little issue and in all honesty maki's A-prediction is bordering on precog and overall is better than pre initiative so its still more an adventage for her here.
LordGinSama said:
That's Asura Ohma from the early chapters, he'll definitely have fun but he won't pull punches, that's something that he's never done. Ohma loved his fight against Lolong and Cosmo but as we see he takes things seriously and will end the fight quickly.
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nope I am talking omega ohma he does that same shit still, he decided to measure muscles and power against the sumo fighter and everyone and their grandmother in the fighting ranks where saying that he is fighting at a disadvantage in that and even he himself admits this and I think you might have misunderstood what I said in that massage and honestly my fault there but what I meant is that ohma cna sometimes just do some outright stupid moves that will get him into hot waters be it to simply push himself or enjoy the fight and he still does that.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
ohmas prediction is based on a person movements
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That's not true, first of all none of that is true. Ohma's Prediction is based on 5 of his senses, to such high degrees he doesn't need to use his eyesight to actively predict. This is seen whenever Kaburagi takes away Ohma's eyesight and poisoned the **** out of him. Shit even his sense of hearing alone is enough for him to predict Kaburagi's next moves despite not being able to see. Breathing, joints moving, heart beats, etc.

If anything prediction within Kengan is based on intent, which is quite literally stated very clearly within both manga. This isn't the Sharingan, they do not based Predictions around the movement of the opponent.


To quote Gensai directly "He that can only strike what he sees is a second rate martial artist."
Sir_sun_man said:
while maki's is based on everything movement included, air presure,
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Cool you mean the shit that Ohma can quite literally hear?
Sir_sun_man said:
tempreture shifts
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Ohma can literally see kinetic energy so I don't think sensing air pressure and temperature shifts can be compared to Ohma being able to see kinetic energy inside ones body.
Sir_sun_man said:
the whole 9 yards her analytical prediciton outright allows her to see whats coming without even looking at her opponent
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Your trying to make this seem more impressive than it actually is. She can sense air pressure and temperature drops, so it wouldnt be required for her to look at the opponent.
Sir_sun_man said:
could be seen in her dodging naoya while he is behind her, mid air.
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Dodging is neat but predicting attacks mid-air does not inherently mean it makes her Analytical Prediction better. She has acrobatics for this reason, acrobatics are not Analytical Prediction so again no.
Sir_sun_man said:
so while pre-initiative would allow ohma to not be left in the dust by what amounts to full fledge precognition but not enough to match someone who can see and anylize down to the air currents and tempreture of air through eyesight alone.
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Also Ohma can also see air currents so once again, this isn't that much.
Sir_sun_man said:
not fully immune to prediction as kuroki was able to predict and counter an advanced demonsbane with little issue and in all honesty maki's A-prediction is bordering on precog and overall is better than pre initiative so its still more an adventage for her here.
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That's because we accept Kuroki's Foresight to be >>>> Ohma's resistance via having more layers and being able to read more steps ahead. He did the same shit to Kanoh as well so this isn't particularly a good point to bring up. Maki's Analytical Prediction absolutely isn't anywhere near bordering precognition, that's gotta be the funniest shit I've heard all day.


She isn't reading the future or minds, again all it is, is Analytical Prediction. Your really trying your hardest to make it seem like she has Kenbunshoku Haki lol. I haven't seen any actual evidence of your claims of her having better Analytical Prediction than Ohma's. Cool, she can see extra stuff, that doesn't necessarily make it better especially considering Ohma's is layered, is more experienced with it and can read further ahead.
Sir_sun_man said:
nope I am talking omega ohma he does that same shit still, he decided to measure muscles and power against the sumo fighter and everyone and their grandmother in the fighting ranks where saying that he is fighting at a disadvantage in that and even he himself admits this
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He did that one time and he didn't have much of an option. Kiozan already cleared that distance and Ohma knew that he wouldn't realistically stand a chance against Kio in a sumo match, hence why he instantly went back to beating his ass normally.
Sir_sun_man said:
that ohma cna sometimes just do some outright stupid moves that will get him into hot waters be it to simply push himself or enjoy the fight and he still does that.
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He's never done that in a serious match. Against Lolong he didn't play, didn't play against Gensai and damn sure didn't play around with Wakatsuki.
 
Dr._whiteee said:
Excellent, I do think Maki has better senses here (that kinetic vision thing looks like he predicting vectors based on movement similar to the sharingan) but I'd like to see the skill feats for the other individual are seeing as it seems much more focused on martial arts.
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You mean Ohma or the sumo he's fighting?
 
LordGinSama said:
What's Maki's greatest skill feats in your opinion? Non weapon if possible.
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It's hard to say because her whole style revolves round the use of weapons albeit she also has some grappling and clear striking.

Striking/Coordination
She essentially kill billed a room full of CE users who specialized in physicals due to lacking a cursed technique (it's with a weapon but replace the sword with her fist and it just takes a bit longer). [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

She was able to time Naoya's projection sorcery and clobber him [1] [2] [3]

She outworked both Yuji and 15F Sukuna (albeit the latter was dealing with two people) [1] [2] and later exchanged multiple times with him in CqC after tanking a hit. [1] [2] [3]

Grappling

Scales in technique to Megumi (she taught him and Yuta martial arts) who has demonstrated knowledge of Jiu Jutsu (rear naked choke with body triangle)

Absolutely cooked a Sumo master after 1,000 bouts of learning and unlocking her senses despite him out grappling her earlier [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

She was implied by Gege to be a practitioner of this style
 
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