Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[DaReaperMan]

Not even that, i used the example of the cushion because it was all a setup for something, she instantly decided to turn it off once the whole thing didn't work.

There's not a cushion. It's an angelic spear she knows beyond a singular shadow of a doubt can permakill sinners.

Because she literraly is pretty much the only ******* character in the whole show who is actually good and is trying to do something good?
Thought this is a hyperbole because Emily exists, but they are both basically in the same level and are almost interchangeable.

Emily also ignores someone obviously suffering for like a day straight until told basically point blank that Pentious is suffering and not happy here. She's pretty gray too, except instead of sheer incompetence and never listening to anyone else except to always do the opposite of what they advise doing, Emily is an extremely neglectful person who can't see the forest for the trees.

I still don't think he couldn't go down there, not because he wasn't allowed, but because he was unable to go there.
Sinners can't leave pride ring because of a magical barrier, it makes sense that in a way

So Sera is just a genocidal maniac for no reason, eh? Because there's no fear of an uprising if they can't leave Pride. Hell, Charlie was not at all surprised when Vaggie could come with her to heaven despite thinking Vaggie was a sinner at that time. Sinners can leave Pride, they're just not allowed to.

Winners can't get out of heaven either.

Alex. Adam is a Winner. He led the people who went to hell to go kill Sinners. Winners can leave Heaven.

Now this feels like a gross oversimplification of Sir Pentious actions, he clearly did this for his friends too, not just for Cherry.

This is a verse that makes the potentially incredibly complex and interesting character of Adam as an exterminator of Sinners into an egotistical misogynistic asshole with half a brain rattling in his skull. If anything I'm undersimplifying it.

Okay let me see:
Charlie never uses her authority in any way.

Except to threaten Val and Vox in seperate occaisons.

Lucifer can't ******* DO ANYTHING.

Something nobody but Vox and his allies (and Vaggi I guess) knew ATT, it's why people assumed Lucifer hit Al with the ol' Smite.

Sera doesn't want to kill anyone and start a war.

I'd share how stupid this is from a story perspective, but Hazbin's story has more holes than a sponge...

Carmilla is basically being told "if you don't join me, you are against me" and she was compelled to help.

Yeah that's an anti-feat for her authority. She has angelic weapons out the ass and has them on her at all times. She could have just like, stabbed him.

 

[Alexander]

There's not a cushion. It's an angelic spear she knows beyond a singular shadow of a doubt can permakill sinners.

Analogy.
The cushion is her having a button that can stop the train.

Emily also ignores someone obviously suffering for like a day straight until told basically point blank that Pentious is suffering and not happy here. She's pretty gray too, except instead of sheer incompetence and never listening to anyone else except to always do the opposite of what they advise doing, Emily is an extremely neglectful person who can't see the forest for the trees.

She literraly helped him when she noticed that was feeling the shit, stop treating this as if it was something so downright DIABOLICAL.

So Sera is just a genocidal maniac for no reason, eh? Because there's no fear of an uprising if they can't leave Pride. Hell, Charlie was not at all surprised when Vaggie could come with her to heaven despite thinking Vaggie was a sinner at that time. Sinners can leave Pride, they're just not allowed to.

She was scared and she had her fears.
Thought to be honest, Heaven exists inside of Pride Ring so maybe that is the explanation.

Alex. Adam is a Winner. He led the people who went to hell to go kill Sinners. Winners can leave Heaven.

Adam is a ARCHANGEL, not a winner (it is at the same level of calling a demon to a sinner, not incorrect but with specifications).

This is a verse that makes the potentially incredibly complex and interesting character of Adam as an exterminator of Sinners into an egotistical misogynistic asshole with half a brain rattling in his skull. If anything I'm undersimplifying it.

What are you?a Adam fan...wait you probably are, but i didn't have any ammo to insult you because i haven't see you claim that he was morally good in any regard.
But in that case, then let me be honest and say...**** it, what will be the reason?
We know he isn't doing it for the sake of anyone, and even if he did (somehow) Charlie will still beat him in that regard, and you know why?"because i don't want a ******* massacre against your people you damn idiot"
I don't care how complex or interisting people want me to think Adam could be if his motivations were not sadistic, do you think that will make him better than Charlie just because he says that he is doing it to protect the people of Heaven?Something that is SERA'S OBJECTIVE BY THE WAY, and i don't think Sera is better than Charlie.
It is literraly the whole Hughie vs Billy Butcher thing, but people somehow say that Billy was outright in commiting genocide...at least i never saw anyone claim that Hughie was wrong for stopping him, fortunatly.

Except to threaten Val and Vox in seperate occaisons.

After one of them abused her friends, yeah.

Something nobody but Vox and his allies (and Vaggi I guess) knew ATT, it's why people assumed Lucifer hit Al with the ol' Smite.

Okay so what was the point of this?

I'd share how stupid this is from a story perspective, but Hazbin's story has more holes than a sponge...

No, it isn't, it was already clear that she only accepted the extermination out of fear and to protect her realm, not out of any bad feelings against hell (well, probably some, but still not outright wanting to cause a war).

Yeah that's an anti-feat for her authority. She has angelic weapons out the ass and has them on her at all times. She could have just like, stabbed him.

Oh yeah sure, try to stab the dude who is already loved by everyone in Hell (pride ring), that definitely won't make her a target of everyone's problems and definitely won't cause problems for her at all, yeah yeah.
Seriosly why do some of you think that killing Vox is actually a good idea?

 

[Comiphorous]

All im hearing is that Vox is somehow the most incompetent competent being in hell.

 

[Alexander]

All im hearing is that Vox is somehow the most incompetent competent being in hell.

Nah he is the most competent being in hell...he just messed up big time.

 

[Comiphorous]

Nah he is the most competent being in hell...he just messed up big time.

Not a high bar, im going to be honest.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Analogy.
The cushion is her having a button that can stop the train.

The cushion is having a safety on this gun that went off anyways.

She literraly helped him when she noticed that was feeling the shit, stop treating this as if it was something so downright DIABOLICAL.

It's diabolical because it took her THAT LONG TO NOTICE he was feeling like shit. As I said, Emily is an extremely neglectful person who can't see the forest for the trees. If she wasn't neglectful, it woulda taken her like an hour, maybe less.

She was scared and she had her fears.
Thought to be honest, Heaven exists inside of Pride Ring so maybe that is the explanation.

Ain't you one of those that thinks Heaven is bigger than hell?

Adam is a ARCHANGEL, not a winner (it is at the same level of calling a demon to a sinner, not incorrect but with specifications).

Those are not mutually exclusive. Just ask the Hazbin wiki. Also he was a human, he literally has to be a winner or sinner, there's no other place for him to exist as.

What are you?a Adam fan...wait you probably are, but i didn't have any ammo to insult you because i haven't see you claim that he was morally good in any regard.

Fanfiction does Adam better than anything Viv could possibly write. I think he's like... a 6/10 character. In fact 95% of Hazbin are 5s and 6s. Charlie included (She's also a 6/10, BTW)

But in that case, then let me be honest and say...**** it, what will be the reason?
We know he isn't doing it for the sake of anyone, and even if he did (somehow) Charlie will still beat him in that regard, and you know why?"because i don't want a ******* massacre against your people you damn idiot"
I don't care how complex or interisting people want me to think Adam could be if his motivations were not sadistic, do you think that will make him better than Charlie just because he says that he is doing it to protect the people of Heaven?Something that is SERA'S OBJECTIVE BY THE WAY, and i don't think Sera is better than Charlie.
It is literraly the whole Hughie vs Billy Butcher thing, but people somehow say that Billy was outright in commiting genocide...at least i never saw anyone claim that Hughie was wrong for stopping him, fortunatly.

That's a whole Lotta words not at all getting the point.

They made a potentially and easily complex character simpler and dumber than a cannon. Hence me saying that I'm undersimpifying it because complex motivations are just beyond Hazbin's writing even when the potential is slapping them in the face.

After one of them abused her friends, yeah.

Does that change the truth of that statement?

Okay so what was the point of this?

People think Lucifer can use that authority he's got.

No, it isn't, it was already clear that she only accepted the extermination out of fear and to protect her realm, not out of any bad feelings against hell (well, probably some, but still not outright wanting to cause a war).

Which is why she put someone she knows hates Hell in charge of them. Yep.

Oh yeah sure, try to stab the dude who is already loved by everyone in Hell (pride ring), that definitely won't make her a target of everyone's problems and definitely won't cause problems for her at all, yeah yeah.
Seriosly why do some of you think that killing Vox is actually a good idea?

She can literally just lie and say the angels had him assassinated.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Anyways, both Charlie and Emily are morally gray, cope seethe mald.

 

[Alexander]

The cushion is having a safety on this gun that went off anyways.

Why are you still using the gun analogy when it wasn't a gun?

It's diabolical because it took her THAT LONG TO NOTICE he was feeling like shit. As I said, Emily is an extremely neglectful person who can't see the forest for the trees. If she wasn't neglectful, it woulda taken her like an hour, maybe less.

How long did it took her to notice?because Sir Pentious was doing random shit to try and build a rocket to go to Hell, and again, you are ignoring that she still helped him either way.

Ain't you one of those that thinks Heaven is bigger than hell?

And i still think so, the thing is just very complicated how all of this works...MAGIC.

Those are not mutually exclusive. Just ask the Hazbin wiki. Also he was a human, he literally has to be a winner or sinner, there's no other place for him to exist as.

Yes yes yes, but still, he is a Archangel and the strongest human in the verse.

Fanfiction does Adam better than anything Viv could possibly write. I think he's like... a 6/10 character. In fact 95% of Hazbin are 5s and 6s. Charlie included (She's also a 6/10, BTW)

Yeah i will totally trust them on that part, if it wasn't for the fact that they also shit on almost every character on the verse, which is why i don't like most of Adam's fanfiction related to the show, because you have be grossly biased against him and everyone else for this to be better.

That's a whole Lotta words not at all getting the point.

They made a potentially and easily complex character simpler and dumber than a cannon. Hence me saying that I'm undersimpifying it because complex motivations are just beyond Hazbin's writing even when the potential is slapping them in the face.

All of you invented up this potential, YOU INVENTED THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS GUY.
When this guy, is the most simple concept ever deviced by humanity "the first ******* human" WOW, HOW COMPLEX OF A CONCEPT?I have never seen so much complexity in my whole life...no seriosly it isn't that much of a complex concept as you make it seem.

Does that change the truth of that statement?

It gives context.

People think Lucifer can use that authority he's got.

But we know he can't

Which is why she put someone she knows hates Hell in charge of them. Yep.

Adam was the leader of the militarity of Heaven, the exterminations are only 7 years, what, are you telling me that Heaven's own militarty existed only for 7 years?

She can literally just lie and say the angels had him assassinated.

...did you even read what you wrote?
Yeah, you shouldn't write this show at all.

Anyways, both Charlie and Emily are morally gray, cope seethe mald.

No, they are morally good and you can't proof the opposite.
You have to be stupid to think that somehow, WANTING PEACE BETWEEN REALMS, is morally gray, when no.
Morally gray is what Sera did, this is not morally gray.

 

[Alexander]

In other news, **** HAVING A DISCUSSION NOT LINKED TO POWERSCALING IS SO GOOD.

 

[DaReaperMan]

...did you even read what you wrote?
Yeah, you shouldn't write this show at all.

For people in power? Yeah, lying is piss easy. Just look at Alastor, Vox, Val, Lucifer, Satan, Mammon...

No, they are morally good and you can't proof the opposite.
You have to be stupid to think that somehow, WANTING PEACE BETWEEN REALMS, is morally gray, when no.
Morally gray is what Sera did, this is not morally gray.

Thanos in the MCU wants to solve the eventual lack of resources in the galaxy, is he morally good?

There is a right and wrong answer here, and that's my point. Your end goal being a morally good thing doesn't mean any actions taken to get to said goal are good, hence why I refer to Emily and Charlie as morally neutral.

 

[ShionAH]

I saw someone comment this so I wanted to share

Do you guys think it would be absolutely hilarious if the reason the whole Lilith and Adam fight and break up happened because of a insignificant petty argument? Like maybe Adam ate one of the fruits/vegetables Lilith was keeping for the evening and he denies it so they fight Imagine thats the entire reason this whole universe kickstarted

 

[Mythic381]

Maybe funny, but very anticlimactic and arguably unnecessary for the story.

 

[Alexander]

For people in power? Yeah, lying is piss easy. Just look at Alastor, Vox, Val, Lucifer, Satan, Mammon...

When did Lucifer lie in the whole show?i will argue he is pretty darn honest most of the time.
Satan on other hand, IS A ******* LIAR IN COSMIC LEVELS.
But this isn't even a good situation to lie too, if she lies about it, then everyone gets ****** even more.

Thanos in the MCU wants to solve the eventual lack of resources in the galaxy, is he morally good?

There is a right and wrong answer here, and that's my point. Your end goal being a morally good thing doesn't mean any actions taken to get to said goal are good, hence why I refer to Emily and Charlie as morally neutral.

The guy could have used the gauntle to create more resources (it is a reality warping device for **** sake), LITERRALY HE COULD HAVE DONE THAT, but no, let's choose to kill half of the population of the whole universe.
The goal was to prevent people from dying from the lack of resources, which is good, the methods are however, not good at all, when there are clearly other options entirely.
Now with all fair and done, he was at least respectful enough to actually not be a hypocrite and decided to destroy the Gauntle instead of being power hungry...that still doesn't take away that he caused the death of trillions.
Charlie and Emily entire goals don't require the death of anyone, actually it is the opposite, they don't want more deaths from either side, and the only reason why Charlie even fought back against the exterminations, was that they were attacking them (aka, self-defense) and she would have rather choose to spare Adam rather than kill him.
They aren't MORALLY NEUTRAL AT ALL, they didn't take any questionable choice for the greater good, maybe their own stance on things was rough and made everything more complicated, but it wasn't morally ambiguous.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Why is Charlie getting so slandered? I don't like it either, but Viv just doesn't give her enough to do on screen, and everything else is just implied, I do think she's Adam level, but what I think and even if it makes narrative sense don't matter in the face of her featlessness in base.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Anyways, both Charlie and Emily are morally gray, cope seethe mald.

truth nuke

Why is Charlie getting so slandered?

Cuz she's modulo yuji but her narrative is scaling is only applicable to her demon form snd her best onscreen isn't two casual things peeps can glaze to high hell but a full power highly stressed block

 

[Alexander]

I don't know if i am more angry that people think Charlie will lose to Alastor or that she is a bumb, or that Puro hueso said that Charlie and Emily are morally gray like Thanos...

 

[DaReaperMan]

I used Thanos as an example, he's just evil, Ch*rlie and Emily are morally gray.

And yes Ch*rlie would lose to Alastor because she's a bum

 

[Alexander]

I used Thanos as an example, he's just evil, Ch*rlie and Emily are morally gray.

And yes Ch*rlie would lose to Alastor because she's a bum

Charlie and Emily aren't morally gray, they admit that some actions have some grayness in them, that doesn't make them morally gray.

 

[Mythic381]

 

[Alexander]

Just a fun story where two characters interact, nothing more here...
Also the business survives by Blitz being sold as a awesome assasin

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Quick question: will there be a Mega CRT Part 2? I’d like to know so I can run the necessary calculations—depending on the answer—since I don't have as much free time as I used to.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Quick question: will there be a Mega CRT Part 2? I’d like to know so I can run the necessary calculations—depending on the answer—since I don't have as much free time as I used to.

Yes. It's mostly a full series wide overhaul cuz some profiles are awful and need to be up to date with some downgrades and downgrades (per the norm) plus, most important, the WOG statements that stay valid and what need nixxed.
Any calc made that i can request evaluation is appriceated. Also, don't stress about it. I, too, don't have as much free time as i used to (Hence my response to the FTL CRT never coming out) so i understand

 

[OmenISTIRED]

speaking of Calc's.

Is it any at all possible to Calc the stuff going on here?
Im not sure the AP would be all that good but maybe the Speed could be somin.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Those peeps are alr mach 3+, they don't need it buuuuuuut could be good support

 

[OmenISTIRED]

Those peeps are alr mach 3+, they don't need it buuuuuuut could be good support

Brother man

half of what little good feats we had got sniped because Outlier, WE NEED MORE SUPPORT.

(Also Anti-Feats the show is getting a new season in a few monthes)

 

[Alexander]

There is something that bugs me.

 

[Alexander]

Doesn't Vox control electromagnetic waves?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Doesn't Vox control electromagnetic waves?

No he controls electronics in general. When he's moving from things like TVs, he appears as electricity.

 

[Alexander]

No he controls electronics in general. When he's moving from things like TVs, he appears as electricity.

Electronics...and he is able to zap Valentino and Velvette while they are using their phones (and they are wireless).
Also it was shown that Vox can conjure the holograms without the need of physical screens, he can even do that to hypnotise others (like those are too many screens that are clearly not physically connected trough anything).
Even Vincent Whittman says that his objective is to rule the air waves (yes i know he meant it metaphorically as in "we will rule entertainment and any device) but considering that he later becomes a demon and gains all the things he had in his old life, being a TV guy who controls the media and information, it kinda makes sense that it also includes controlling the electromagnetic waves.

Also Alastor possess that same ability, since it was shown that he can alter his own voice to speak with a radio frequency, causes visual glitches when videos try to catch him (we have many examples for that), he can also cause the lights of the hotel to flicker badly in a fit of rage and also he can speak while his own mouth is shut, through using the radios on Vox own room.

I think is clear that their powers isn't just manipulating electricity and light and technology, it is manipulating radio waves, it even fits the whole name of Alastor, he is the RADIO demon, not the sound demon.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Electronics...and he is able to zap Valentino and Velvette while they are using their phones (and they are wireless).

With electricity.

Also it was shown that Vox can conjure the holograms without the need of physical screens, he can even do that to hypnotise others (like those are too many screens that are clearly not physically connected trough anything).

It was shown that Vox can make holograms, which is not connected to Electromagnetic waves at all (Have you ever seen an electromagnetic wave?)

Even Vincent Whittman says that his objective is to rule the air waves (yes i know he meant it metaphoricaElly as in "we will rule entertainment and any device) but considering that he later becomes a demon and gains all the things he had in his old life, being a TV guy who controls the media and information, it kinda makes sense that it also includes controlling the electromagnetic waves.

Your proof so far is Vox shocking people with electricity we know he has, and an unrelated ability that means literally nothing for proving Vox has this particular one. Electromagnetic waves are invisible, by the way.

Also Alastor possess that same ability, since it was shown that he can alter his own voice to speak with a radio frequency, causes visual glitches when videos try to catch him (we have many examples for that), he can also cause the lights of the hotel to flicker badly in a fit of rage and also he can speak while his own mouth is shut, through using the radios on Vox own room.

Alastor is a different character, with mechanics we know for a fact work differently to other sinners. He is also not giving Vox any abilities, unless we also want to say Alastor can turn into electricity and Vox can create voodoo shadow demons?

I think is clear that their powers isn't just manipulating electricity and light and technology, it is manipulating radio waves, it even fits the whole name of Alastor, he is the RADIO demon, not the sound demon.

Your proof is incredibly shoddy at best, and downright not even relevent to the ability at worst.

 

[Alexander]

With electricity.

Electricity for Vox still needs a medium to travel, even if he had a medium, he wouldn't be able to affect their phones and then themselves if he just controlled electricity.

It was shown that Vox can make holograms, which is not connected to Electromagnetic waves at all (Have you ever seen an electromagnetic wave?)

Yes it is a bit of mix up with magic and such, but again, he can make holograms that still present things like a screen and a video and sound and all of that, and all of them are completely wireless, which it wouldn't make any sense to have if he could only manipulate electricity.

Your proof so far is Vox shocking people with electricity we know he has, and an unrelated ability that means literally nothing for proving Vox has this particular one. Electromagnetic waves are invisible, by the way.

For fictional purposes they are visible to us in some universes, also does that mean that MHA is now not SOL because the radio waves are visible?

Alastor is a different character, with mechanics we know for a fact work differently to other sinners. He is also not giving Vox any abilities, unless we also want to say Alastor can turn into electricity and Vox can create voodoo shadow demons?

Funny that you mentioned, because he did show to have electricity manipulation.
Like in the pilot, or in his fight against Adam or using it for his tentacles, another time and it can be seen to generate electricity around himself.
He even summons his staff with a electricity sound added on it and again using it around himself.
Now yes, his powers are different's from Vox, but at least one of them is based around their same elemental motif, they both can manipulate the radio waves (also they both show other abilities that are related, like light manipulation or fire manipulation).
It is similar to all overlords having the same power to manipulate magic in a way...or well, for both of them it is just specific to them.

Your proof is incredibly shoddy at best, and downright not even relevent to the ability at worst.

And can you at least provide proof for the opposite?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Electricity for Vox still needs a medium to travel, even if he had a medium, he wouldn't be able to affect their phones and then themselves if he just controlled electricity.

Go watch Vees vs Alastor. Vox does not need mediums to travel, and in fact, because those are phones, guess what, Voxtek probably made em, which means they're connected to him anyways! He can also just use his light manipulation.

Yes it is a bit of mix up with magic and such, but again, he can make holograms that still present things like a screen and a video and sound and all of that, and all of them are completely wireless, which it wouldn't make any sense to have if he could only manipulate electricity.

That's why he's also got Light Manipulation. And Technology Manipulation.

For fictional purposes they are visible to us in some universes, also does that mean that MHA is now not SOL because the radio waves are visible?

Notice how, shockingly, that's both stated to be radio waves and actually meets every criteria for them?

How many does Vox tick again? Well, he's never stated to use electromagnetic waves at all, and the closest thing we have to him doing stuff not related to technology and electricity is making screens via light manipulation. So, is that 0/0?

Funny that you mentioned, because he did show to have electricity manipulation.
Like in the pilot, or in his fight against Adam or using it for his tentacles, another time and it can be seen to generate electricity around himself.
He even summons his staff with a electricity sound added on it and again using it around himself.

I said TRANSFORM INTO electricity. Not CAN USE electricity.

And can you at least provide proof for the opposite?

I don't have to prove a negative, but sure, why didn't Vox just shut Alastor up when he started talking through the speakers? And because we're operating by your usual logic, character-induced stupidity is just not a factor here.

 

[Alexander]

Go watch Vees vs Alastor. Vox does not need mediums to travel, and in fact, because those are phones, guess what, Voxtek probably made em, which means they're connected to him anyways! He can also just use his light manipulation.

Off course he doesn't need mediums to travel dah.
Yes they are Voxtech related, but we know that he can use his powers on things that don't even belong to him (again, the example of Heaven can work for that)

That's why he's also got Light Manipulation. And Technology Manipulation.

Yes but under the logic that he only has electricity manipulation and some related, he shouldn't be able to do that at all because there won't be any mediums for him to project things.
Also what do you mean he has light manipulation but at the same time, he speed caps at Massivel Hypersonic even when he clearly can move around as electricity through any means, damn it why don't we assume that he can move at the speed of light and that's it?

Notice how, shockingly, that's both stated to be radio waves and actually meets every criteria for them?

How many does Vox tick again? Well, he's never stated to use electromagnetic waves at all, and the closest thing we have to him doing stuff not related to technology and electricity is making screens via light manipulation. So, is that 0/0?

He himself says that they (he) will rule the air waves, his entire elemental motif is light, electricity and air waves, Alastor can control RADIO waves, it's literraly his whole thing that he has something to do with radio and the frequency of it.
Actually what are the requirements for the electromagnetic waves?

I said TRANSFORM INTO electricity. Not CAN USE electricity.

Well he can do both anyway.

I don't have to prove a negative, but sure, why didn't Vox just shut Alastor up when he started talking through the speakers? And because we're operating by your usual logic, character-induced stupidity is just not a factor here.

How?
Alastor proves that he is better than Vox and he does that many times, he is a better manipulator, better at handling his own emotions, he quite literraly beat Vox even when he was stronger than AL, even if he payed VIP to get to be a Overlord.
**** the fact that he can't stop him from distorting the images of himself and breaking them through glitching them because of his presence shows that Vox can't do anything about that even with his own powers.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Off course he doesn't need mediums to travel dah.
Yes they are Voxtech related, but we know that he can use his powers on things that don't even belong to him (again, the example of Heaven can work for that)

Which is technology manipulation. Not electromagnetic manipulation.

Yes but under the logic that he only has electricity manipulation and some related, he shouldn't be able to do that at all because there won't be any mediums for him to project things.
Also what do you mean he has light manipulation but at the same time, he speed caps at Massivel Hypersonic even when he clearly can move around as electricity through any means, damn it why don't we assume that he can move at the speed of light and that's it.

All this tells me is that you're vastly underselling the versatility of some abilities just so you can wank Vox harder than he wanks himself

Also, read his profile, he has light manipulation for making the screens. Ya know. A basic use of the ability in high tech settings. Which in his case, this is a high tech setting. He moves as lightning.

But of course, Vox using real lightning goes against your wank that it's actually electromagnetic waves that looks like lightning, so you don't want to believe him making lightning strike and shit is literal.

He himself says that they (he) will rule the air waves, his entire elemental motif is light, electricity and air waves, Alastor can control RADIO waves, it's literraly his whole thing that he has something to do with radio and the frequency of it.

Before he knew there was a hell, an Alastor, or anything else. Ever hear of this thing called a "metaphor"? Also, I'll wait for the statement Vox actually controls airwaves or anything else.

Actually what are the requirements for the electromagnetic waves?

Well first of all having any Magnetism Manipulation whatsoever...

Well he can do both anyway.

Which you DO NOT have scans for.

How?
Alastor proves that he is better than Vox and he does that many times, he is a better manipulator, better at handling his own emotions, he quite literraly beat Vox even when he was stronger than AL, even if he payed VIP to get to be a Overlord.
**** the fact that he can't stop him from distorting the images of himself and breaking them through glitching them because of his presence shows that Vox can't do anything about that even with his own powers.

In other words, your counter is "Vox has never shown to choose to do X, so he'll not do it when pissed off and trying to assert dominance."

...so Character-induced stupidity.

 

[Aytugsss]

Which is technology manipulation. Not electromagnetic manipulation.

İm not saying he should get emv manip but its impossible to effect wireless phone or other techs like phones without using waves or physicall touch

 

[DaReaperMan]

İm not saying he should get emv manip but its impossible to effect wireless phone or other techs like phones without using waves or physicall touch

He is a magical demon in hell who can instantly project himself an interplanetary distance (far above SoL electromagnetic waves, Alexander...) via this same technology manipulation. I'm pretty sure 'impossible' went out the window a long time ago.

 

[Alexander]

Which is technology manipulation. Not electromagnetic manipulation.

Quite literraly one of the applications of Technology manipulation is manipulating magnetism.

The ability to alter and control technology, often exercised through the usage of other powers, such as manipulating electricity, information, magnetism, and metals, or just hacking. Often called technopaths, these characters can use their abilities for a variety of purposes, such as altering and reshaping machinery, hacking into advanced computer systems, creating viruses, and so on.

Also didn't he made some stones fly high for a moment while he was traveling as electricity?, i don't know about you, but that feels like something that you can only do if you have something more than just electricity manipulation.

All this tells me is that you're vastly underselling the versatility of some abilities just so you can wank Vox harder than he wanks himself

Also, read his profile, he has light manipulation for making the screens. Ya know. A basic use of the ability in high tech settings. Which in his case, this is a high tech setting. He moves as lightning.
But of course, Vox using real lightning goes against your wank that it's actually electromagnetic waves that looks like lightning, so you don't want to believe him making lightning strike and shit is literal.

What, do you think i am a Vox wanker?nah i am doing this for the whole verse, it is for their benefit, not his.
And no, i am saying that he can have many of those abilities, like it is saying that Alastor only has darkness manipulation because of the shadows and ignore that he has many other abilities.
Why can't Vox have electromagnetism and light, electricity and such abilities?

Before he knew there was a hell, an Alastor, or anything else. Ever hear of this thing called a "metaphor"? Also, I'll wait for the statement Vox actually controls airwaves or anything else.

Yes i know that it is a metaphor, but again, his entire thing is related to all of his abilities (if you want it is almost symbolic), he has sharks interest, his sinner physiology is the one of a shark and a tv man.
He is shown to have something related to tv's, light and electricity several times across the song, which in the end are all abilities he ended up having in hell.
Why would he not have the air waves thing when he clearly does?

Well first of all having any Magnetism Manipulation whatsoever...

Again, he made some tiny rocks levitate. Which as far has i know, electricity by itself doesn't make you levitate rocks.

Which you DO NOT have scans for.

yes we have (for the use of electricity).
and for him transforming into one, like seriosly there is many scenes to show that and it is almost ridiculous.

In other words, your counter is "Vox has never shown to choose to do X, so he'll not do it when pissed off and trying to assert dominance."

What?

...so Character-induced stupidity.

Yeah if you want too.

He is a magical demon in hell who can instantly project himself an interplanetary distance (far above SoL electromagnetic waves, Alexander...) via this same technology manipulation. I'm pretty sure 'impossible' went out the window a long time ago.

So he is FTL by being lightning itself and his own light can project holograms into a interplanetary distances and he should obviosly be able to teleport (or move at super speed as lightning) or move to any place that has screens...and Heaven has screens...or more like he projected his own holograms on that realm.
YEAH THAT WORKS FOR ME.

 

[Alexander]

Also another thing i was going to ask is, it sounds stupid that we assume that Vox just caused a shut down by overfrying the generators and that caused the generators to malfuction and caused a black out.
Not only that doesn't happen and it isn't mentioned, but we clearly see that, again, electricity passed through Vel and Valentino thanks to the phones...THAT ARE WIRELESS.
So what about that?

 

[Aytugsss]

He is a magical demon in hell who can instantly project himself an interplanetary distance (far above SoL electromagnetic waves, Alexander...) via this same technology manipulation. I'm pretty sure 'impossible' went out the window a long time ago

İs there any proof to say vox project himself in heaven instantly? İt could take seconds
You cant say he project himself faster than emws

 

[Alexander]

İs there any proof to say vox project himself in heaven instantly? İt could take seconds
You cant say he project himself faster than emws

it was like 4 seconds