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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Phsccarvalho said:
One of the arguments for UES is that things like magic naturally impact the physical body, so things like "I drained the character's magic and he became physically weakened" are part of UES.

If you're saying that this doesn't happen in UES (the character being physically weakened by magic being drained/removed), then UES doesn't exist in that verse.

And if you're saying that this is something exclusive to Stolas (magic not having a physical impact), then that means that in UES magic isn't a standardized power system and we can't generalize UES because each character's magic system works differently, so we can't compare how each character's magic works.
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We accept Demon system and Angel system are fundamentally different. Literally right now we have Angels using UES while Demons don’t. Lol.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Doesn't explain the heavy breathing, his half-open eyes, or how he falls like a ragdoll when the Reapers throw him.
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
Doesn't explain the heavy breathing, his half-open eyes, or how he falls like a ragdoll when the Reapers throw him.
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He stands up pretty easily after that and is physically fine afterwards, despite having lost all of his powers. Compare that to Lucifer, who wasn't drained as much and yet couldn't even stand up without help.
Plus it's not like Stolas is stated to be made out of Demonic magic
 
StrymULTRA said:
I agree with 9-A Adam and Low 7-C Alastor, Adam winning against Al was pure PIS, trust.
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holy strawman.
Adam would scale to Low 7-C even without his beams due to being stronger than Alasor via statements, literally oneshotting his tentacles, and withstanding Alastor's shadow attack that made him only stroke his chin
 
DarkLock92 said:
He stands up pretty easily after that and is physically fine afterwards, despite having lost all of his powers. Compare that to Lucifer, who wasn't drained as much and yet couldn't even stand up without help.
Plus it's not like Stolas is stated to be made out of Demonic magic
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Adding to that, Stolas was never shown or said to have been affected mentally by the loss of his powers, unlike Lucifer who said his head was fuzzy even a few hours after the MoL's first shot
 
DarkLock92 said:
He stands up pretty easily after that
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So could Lucifer, also a few seconds are the drain too.
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Like they were both still struggling to breathe, open their eyes fully and both fell down after the drain.
It ain't like being tired is synonymous with never being able to stand again lol
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
So could Lucifer, also a few seconds are the drain too.
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Like they were both still struggling to breathe, open their eyes fully and both fell down after the drain.
It ain't like being tired is synonymous with never being able to stand again lol
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No? He starts falling right after that
 
Additionally CHARLIE helped Lucifer get up, he didn’t do it on his own like Stolas.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
You were arguing that Stolas wasn't affected at all
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I am still saying that. He is clearly NOT attempting to get up or anything, he is devastated by what happened and still in an emotional state. Then they grab him by the arms and throw him out, which right after leads to showing us he is capable of getting up and walking all the way to Blitz’ house on his own. Where is this “affect”? Like come on lol
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Lucifer also got a few holes in his body in addition the energy drain too, so it's not like their situations are fully comparable either.
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But you're the one who started comparing them
Wouldn't the fact that the MoL had to dig into his physical body to get more power indicate that they're linked, though?
 
ShionAH said:
I am still saying that. He is clearly NOT attempting to get up or anything, he is devastated by what happened and still in an emotional state. Then they grab him by the arms and throw him out, which right after leads to showing us he is capable of getting up and walking all the way to Blitz’ house on his own. Where is this “affect”? Like come on lol
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His emotional state made him unable to fully open his eyes and struggle to breathe?

I just went ahead to check the episode's transcript to see if it's a common consensus and low and behold,
[When the process is done, the lightning ceased, and Stolas falls down on the head block.]

Satan: You will have to live amongst the citizens of Hell and revel in your failings!

[Stolas, still weak and feeble, still manages to lift his head and looks at Satan pleadingly.]

Stolas: [weakly] But, what about my daughter?
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[Just then, the doors opened, revealing the weak Stolas and the Reapers. They throw Stolas out, making him grunt after being depowered before the doors closed again.]

Blitzo: Stolas? What happened in there?
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ShionAH said:
I think I have an idea, first of all MoL absorbed Lucifer’s magic to turn into a beam and fire it. So Lucifer’s magic in general has the power that scales at that level, we know Lucifer also physically got weaker which links that to his magic at the very least. Combined with the statement about Angels being made of pure Light which some can use for attacks like Adam leads me to believe Angel UES could stay.
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The problem is that even using the same source, it has to be proven that it is capable of using similar power in both.
 
DarkLock92 said:
But you're the one who started comparing them
Wouldn't the fact that the MoL had to dig into his physical body to get more power indicate that they're linked, though?
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Yeah, but the energy being inside your body doesn't mean your every attack is going to be as strong as it.
Like how every DB character uses their own Ki to power attacks several dozens of times stronger than the user (Roshi's an infamous example)
Also Satan did pull Stolas' magic out of his body too sooo
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Yeah, but the energy being inside your body doesn't mean your every attack is going to be as strong as it.
Like how every DB character uses their own Ki to power attacks several dozens of times stronger than the user (Roshi's an infamous example)
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I'm not saying we should keep UES, mostly considering the new standards appear to be too strict. I simply wanted to show that trying to compare Stolas and Lucifer's situations doesn't really work (something that you seem to agree with, judging by your earlier comment)

Especially since they are two different beings using two different types of magic which one of them is straight up said to be made out of.

I'm not going to continue arguing because I know deep down the requirements aren't met.
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Also Satan did pull Stolas' magic out of his body too sooo
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Not by physical contact but via magic rings, so not the same
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
check my messages again to see the 2nd link but yeah.
it's supersonic to supersonic+ consistently and Lucifer can upscale to Hypersonic off them with having FTL attack speed with beams
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I don't know if the difference between Mach 4 and Mach 5 is small enough to justify a hypersonic Lucifer.
 
DarkLock92 said:
I'm not saying we should keep UES, mostly considering the new standards appear to be too strict. I simply wanted to show that trying to compare Stolas and Lucifer's situations doesn't really work (something that you seem to agree with, judging by your earlier comment)
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To be honest, this pattern has always been implicit; it just hasn't been implemented properly.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
His emotional state made him unable to fully open his eyes and struggle to breathe?
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He is just laying down and looking sad, he isn't trying to get up or anything nor is there any actual mention of him being weak unlike Lucifer.

I don't know where you got the transcript, if you got it from the wiki that's fanmade lol
 
ShionAH said:
He is just laying down and looking sad, he isn't trying to get up or anything nor is there any actual mention of him being weak unlike Lucifer.
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When was Lucifer ever said to be weakened? Pretty sure we're saying it cause we got eyes and can clearly see that he wasn't doing well.
Same thing with Stolas. He’s slumped over. They slapped heavy shadows around his eyes, which he's barely able to keep half-open in the first place. Even his "But, what about my daughter?" comes out with a pause like he’s struggling just to speak. Like come on.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
When was Lucifer ever said to be weakened
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I am pretty certain he makes several comments about how his head is feeling very dizzy throughout the episode.

I don't get your point anyways, so Stolas was SO weak he cannot even OPEN HIS EYES OR BREATH and yet 5 seconds later he can get up and walk all the way to Blitz home??
 
ShionAH said:
I am pretty certain he makes several comments about how his head is feeling very dizzy throughout the episode.
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He said it made his head "kinda fuzzy" one time, Ig
ShionAH said:
I don't get your point anyways, so Stolas was SO weak he cannot even OPEN HIS EYES OR BREATH and yet 5 seconds later he can get up and walk all the way to Blitz home??
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No, that’s not what I’m saying. You’re overstating how tired he was and acting as if eventually standing up and walking slowly is something you can’t do when you’re exhausted.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
He said it made his head "kinda fuzzy" one time, Ig
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1-0. I win through statements 🙏
Eden_Warlock99 said:
You’re overstating how tired he was and acting as if eventually standing up and walking slowly is something you can’t do when you’re exhausted.
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I don't know about yall but if I get so tired and in a state where I cannot even keep my eyes open or breath properly, I am not gonna be able to walk across the city right after??
 
ShionAH said:
I don't know about yall but if I get so tired and in a state where I cannot even keep my eyes open or breath properly, I am not gonna be able to walk across the city right after??
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And you don’t just stay that exhausted forever. Hell, we literally got a time skip where M&M go pick up a taxi, so a lot of time clearly passed for him to recover a bit.
And before that, Blitz was holding Stolas’ hand while they’re walking so it's like he was perfectly moving on his own.
 
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