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Yeah but if AWs get 5-B wouldn't Alastor because of his barrier?
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Eden_Warlock99
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No shit.
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"Lute is as tall as Charlie who is 183 cm
The distance is 5077 cm or 50.77 meters
Radius is 25.385 meters
The timeframe is 0.10 seconds
(1.225/0.102)*(25.385/1.05)5
1011755169.46J or 0.24 tons of tnt"
This is the exact text from the Post
Now that im looking at again they have Charlie at only 6ft when im pretty shes 6'6ft
ShionAH
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Alr
He would get 5-B on his forcefield
Anyways, what are the opinions for AWs? Just straight Tier 5 seems to make sense.
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Yeah T5 probably best
Eden_Warlock99
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The one time Angelic Steel (One that was so dense that Vaggie's Angelic Spear couldn't scratch it) got hit by a Tier 5 blast (Might of Lilith's explosion) it got turned to dust. Said Angelic Steel that got pulverized could also pierce Lu.
Are Adam and Lucifer glass cannons? Maybe
Anonymous_Learner
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ooh, how interesting. If the calc is good, got put on the VSBW site, and got accepted, it'd be small building level+ for Excorcists and angelic weapons, arguinably building level since lute did it casually.
No idea if math is right but could be cool if someone imported the calc so it can be evaled
Anonymous_Learner
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No Adam glazer but you see that beating Adam took? man is no glass cannon
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Would it scale for the Overlords?
ShionAH
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YOU YOURSELF already stated several times the overloading would be much stronger than the Tier 5 beam the characters scale to right now, so why tf would this matter
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Popcorn! Get your Popcorn here!
Anonymous_Learner
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No since they're deamed as being who can't be harmed without angelic weapons, even by overlords like Carmila.
You can probably argue that Full power Al would scale fine to them physically since he can harm them with his magic but it's with his magic so not much I can do
Eden_Warlock99
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Lu was throwing pillow punches fr (We also know he can attack with Holy Light but never did against Adam)
Like there has to be a reason why Lu was avoiding Adam's Holy Light like the plague.
Would it outscale the power source itself (Lucifer)? That I have my doubts about lol
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Anonymous_Learner
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Now that angels no longer have invulnerability, it makes sense for them to have a different durability level.
But level 5? I don't know, at least not if it's based on Niffity killing Adam.
The guy was seriously injured and was attacked while off guard/distracted. Like, do you really want to argue that his durability was the same as when he was fully healthy?
ShionAH
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Anyways I really need to get rid of this "Unknown" BS and wrong scaling, I will drop my takes and yall can say whether I am wrong or right.
No Unknown. He should just be 9-A due to scaling to Angel, and he is a sinner come on.
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Exorcist should be 8-B, we already accept them as completely invulnerable to anyone in Hell below like Alastor. They would scale above Shok.wav for that reason.
I am not sure. Sorry.
She could be 9-A because she fought Katie who was in her demon form but she also does scare off exorcist with her magic and breaks an ANGELIC WEAPON with her shile while also blocking and stopping attacks from them easily so she could arguably be 8-B if the exorcist get accepted as such but I am not sure.
No Unknown. He should just be 9-A due to scaling to Angel, and he is a sinner come on.
Vaggie
Vaggie is Charlie's best friend and girlfriend, and manager of the Happy Hotel. A control freak, armed with an arsenal of bladed weapons and a fiery temper, she aims to somehow make Charlie's ridiculous goals an actuality. Tier: At least 8-B, likely 8-A, higher with angelic spear Name: Vaggie...
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Exorcist should be 8-B, we already accept them as completely invulnerable to anyone in Hell below like Alastor. They would scale above Shok.wav for that reason.
I am not sure. Sorry.
She could be 9-A because she fought Katie who was in her demon form but she also does scare off exorcist with her magic and breaks an ANGELIC WEAPON with her shile while also blocking and stopping attacks from them easily so she could arguably be 8-B if the exorcist get accepted as such but I am not sure.
Anonymous_Learner
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Being higher rank than people with unquantifiable "advanced hand-to-hand" while being infinatianly stronger than them doesn't give you gifted
Since you like skill slop so much, would this make the Exorcist Gifted?
Also, we know that Vaggie left her self wide open to attack prior to Carmilla training so how good is her hands anyway
DarkLock92
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Didn't the gate take the laser pretty well?
ShionAH
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Might of Lilith's wires also pierced Lucifers skin
Eden_Warlock99
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Getting punched in the face a few times isn't going to giga-drop your durability so much that you die to 9-A knife as a 5-B, that's like if an ant could pulverize a boxer after they lose a match lol
We also got Lu getting pierced by MoL's Angelic Cables while still having enough power inside him to throw multiple Tier 5 blasts
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Reason is both are kinda dumb sadly or just ploy, like Adam could have won if he used his MAIN WEAPON instead of trying to punch Lucifer. I guess you could say he was blinded by rage but cmon dawg.
Plus we literally saw Lucifer was using magic to amp those punches so Idk how you can say they were "pillow punches"
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Without much else backing it it probably is room for Above Average, but anything more than that combined with the showings and Carmilla's statement that Excorcists suck at fighting, I'd call it iffy. They're soldiers, they have training, but they leave openings that anyone halfway decent at combat can exploit should they be able to actually harm them.
Since you like skill slop so much, would this make the Exorcist Gifted?
Eden_Warlock99
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It still got destroyed, but still I dunno if the gate is made out of the same stuff as the steel they have in Hell, the one that again got dusted by (basically) the same blast.
ShionAH
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Idk how to say this but Exorcist seem to be pretty good at offense but bad at defence, we also know Vaggie got over this weakness after training with Carmilla and Lute scales ABOVE that Vaggie by a LOT in skill
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Infant Baki level
Since you like skill slop so much, would this make the Exorcist Gifted?
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Basically anyone can do what the excorcists do. The problem is if you just leave opening after every swing you die. Almost all weapon-based melee combat is based on range, speed, and not dying on the counterswing because the guy you just gutted has a friend or dodged/parried/blocked. If you **** up that third part, your life is forfeit if the opponent counter attacks.
ShionAH
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Can you reply to the later part of my message, Vaggie gets through this weakness after training on it which would remove that problem
Anonymous_Learner
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Listen, I agree with you but being a sinner ain't enough. Normal Sinners die from overlords touching them and angel scales to Cherri who's currently accepted to be capable of drawing blood from Val.
That being said, he should be 9-a at least in dura since he's noted to be capable of taking a beating by husk and also capable of tanking a 9-A explosion
Invulnerable to 9-As...
Vaggie
Vaggie is Charlie's best friend and girlfriend, and manager of the Happy Hotel. A control freak, armed with an arsenal of bladed weapons and a fiery temper, she aims to somehow make Charlie's ridiculous goals an actuality. Tier: At least 8-B, likely 8-A, higher with angelic spear Name: Vaggie...
Exorcist should be 8-B, we already accept them as completely invulnerable to anyone in Hell below like Alastor. They would scale above Shok.wav for that reason.
That being said, the fact Vox never tried calling shok.wav and immediately went to Carmilla to get angelic weapons in season 1 for angelic protection should give this some weight. However, I just remembered that Vox not even at 100% (though his ratings were through the roof at the time) made Emily yelp in pain with his wires sooooo
Again, Reg Sinners die to like Car explosions and bullets so Charlie going pound for an regular (albeit enhanced) sinner does nothing for her scaling besides maybe putting her base at 9-C.
I 100% agree that her magic should scale at least to overlord level based on the Hear my hope thing (even with the feat as an AP outlier, it still shows her magic is overlord level) and her magic shield should be....wherever angelic weapons scale.
And, if Angels get 8-B, she should get it since it's currently accepted she's invulnerable too
Eden_Warlock99
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He’s outright stated to be physically pathetic multiple times, the only time (It's also soft-canon) he harmed Angel wasn't even through standard AP (His chain constricting and making Angel yelp) and Angel is already downscaling from Overlords so much that he's not even an outright 9-A, but an "At most 9-A"
Shok.wav can sorta easily fall into the category of stuff that might've worked but they just didn't try it, like ya know, AWs themselves.
Vaggie
Vaggie is Charlie's best friend and girlfriend, and manager of the Happy Hotel. A control freak, armed with an arsenal of bladed weapons and a fiery temper, she aims to somehow make Charlie's ridiculous goals an actuality. Tier: At least 8-B, likely 8-A, higher with angelic spear Name: Vaggie...
Exorcist should be 8-B, we already accept them as completely invulnerable to anyone in Hell below like Alastor. They would scale above Shok.wav for that reason.
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If the exorcists really were that much stronger why didn't Vaggie try to do literally anything to Vox at all ever.
Eden_Warlock99
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She was busy stabbing Might of Lilith for the 9653th time.
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And keep in mind, if this wasn't basically stated, I wouldn't be using the animation here to say Excorcists are bad.
This is a great example of that, both Garrosh and Thrall here leave a bazillion openings, but they have enough feats/statements that just because the animation of them fighting is leaving approximately one **** ton openings for the other to instant win does not mean they're suddenly unskilled.
This is a great example of that, both Garrosh and Thrall here leave a bazillion openings, but they have enough feats/statements that just because the animation of them fighting is leaving approximately one **** ton openings for the other to instant win does not mean they're suddenly unskilled.
Can you tell me why "I have basic melee combat skill now" and beating that is suddenly gifted? Like, Vaggi doing that has just gotten here the basics of being above average. beating an Above Average character in skill is still Above Average.
Anonymous_Learner
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Well, Lute, Vaggie's ival and, hoesntly, slightly physical superior, was ready to throw hands with Vox so you can argue Vaggie's stupid
DarkLock92
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Alastor also tried to fight Adam, and look what happened
Also Vaggie is strangely well-versed in overlord lore despite being in Hell for at most 3 years
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Sorry gonna have to downgrade him to Average at best now, anti-feat detected!
DarkLock92
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I'm just saying being confident in victory doesn't mean you'll win
ShionAH
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This is easily the dumbest argument I have ever seen, so the solution to the invulnerable unstoppable angels that nothing in Hell could even think to fight against could have beaten by… Vox’s pet shark. Cmon now, we BOTH know thats bullshit. He himself already claimed that they finally found a way to fight back against Heaven and thats the angelic steel, it would be made clear if his fish was also the solution like…
Wouldn’t Charlie scale to 9-A at least from the fact that she would be above Sir Pentious or Idk banging Vaggie bro I don’t want Unknown Charlie
Can you explain to me how a soldier that has advanced hand to hand training in extremely harsh camps who was stated to be only be weak because they leave openings getting a training specifically to NOT leave openings anymore doesn’t mean anything??
Its fiction, obviously it makes no sense she learnt so much in a single song timespan but she did. And thats all that matters.
DarkLock92
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I'd like to point out there's a whole ass month between season 1 ep 7 and 8
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I do think the Exorcists should scale to the Powerful Overlords like Vox but but there is simply no way there much stronger.
Plus didn't Vaggie and Carmilla like physically clash at some point, And not with AW shoes like hand to hand.
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