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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

do you even know what a black out means?
Yes, but if it is a living thing with a consciousness, then it's more than just the absence of power in a city, it's something that can absorb that/exists at that size, Vox in this state isn't just the absence of energy in the city, he is the size of the city itself, and that has to mean something right?
 
I came here to post a possible issue with one of the calcs, so opening the thread to see this:

because this wiki hates the hellaverse

Is a little ironic sadly.


Anyways, not sure how big of an issue it is, but the proportion measurements on the calc of Adam's destruction of Pentious's airship are a bit off. In The calc, Adam's height is used to measure the minor diameter of the ovoid body of the ship, then comparing that to the proportions of the pilot airship. However, the measurements on the proportions of the minor diameter are a bit off, since the vertical measurement goes from the base of the airship body to itself. However, the proportions of the pilot airship only measure the top of the airship body to the lower body section above the cabin. Basically the airship is made up of two ovoids smashed together., while the first measurement of the minor diameter treats it as one ovoid.

Granted, I think the calc could be done better overall, including pixel scaling on the extremities and, and also using better scaling off of more full images of the airship, but I thought I'd just bring that up.
 
I came here to post a possible issue with one of the calcs, so opening the thread to see this:



Is a little ironic sadly.


Anyways, not sure how big of an issue it is, but the proportion measurements on the calc of Adam's destruction of Pentious's airship are a bit off. In The calc, Adam's height is used to measure the minor diameter of the ovoid body of the ship, then comparing that to the proportions of the pilot airship. However, the measurements on the proportions of the minor diameter are a bit off, since the vertical measurement goes from the base of the airship body to itself. However, the proportions of the pilot airship only measure the top of the airship body to the lower body section above the cabin. Basically the airship is made up of two ovoids smashed together., while the first measurement of the minor diameter treats it as one ovoid.

Granted, I think the calc could be done better overall, including pixel scaling on the extremities and, and also using better scaling off of more full images of the airship, but I thought I'd just bring that up.
Goddamnit, so would it be lower?
 
A city-wide blackout only causes either an overload or removal of a city's energy source. The reason why its not city level is because of a few reasons

  1. You aren't actually blowing up a city, therefore the destructive yield off rip is lower than the usual expectations for the range
  2. Due to energy optimization and stuff, the amount of energy involved is pretty minimal compared to what's expected from more weaponized results. For frame of reference the JoJo section still has one which uses an entire 700 km area (a size of a city) and that only got up to 7.8 tons/High 8-C by using all the energy to amp up

Basically, the amount of energy to actually maintain something is shockingly (get it) low for what it's worth
 
A city-wide blackout only causes either an overload or removal of a city's energy source. The reason why its not city level is because of a few reasons

  1. You aren't actually blowing up a city, therefore the destructive yield off rip is lower than the usual expectations for the range
  2. Due to energy optimization and stuff, the amount of energy involved is pretty minimal compared to what's expected from more weaponized results. For frame of reference the JoJo section still has one which uses an entire 700 km area (a size of a city) and that only got up to 7.8 tons/High 8-C by using all the energy to amp up

Basically, the amount of energy to actually maintain something is shockingly (get it) low for what it's worth
Right, the calcs for the energy aren't valid, but I'm talking sheer size, he is the SIZE of a blackout by being one, so doesn't that alone get city level?
 
Right, the calcs for the energy aren't valid, but I'm talking sheer size, he is the SIZE of a blackout by being one, so doesn't that alone get city level?
That's not how it works, you can't be the size of a blackout since that's just the removal of energy (unless you are literally a being devoid of it). Vox caused a blackout the size of one because he connected to the power grid and caused it to fry out.
 
I wonder Monarch, what a cities' worth of darkness weighs.
Wouldn't he still have a physical form in that state/wouldn't a punch from a city sized thing cause that much damage? Or are we assuming that he's completely intangible in that state? Better yet, we should probably wait, because I'm sure he's gonna bring it out soon anyway, so then we'll get some clarification
 
I came here to post a possible issue with one of the calcs, so opening the thread to see this:



Is a little ironic sadly.


Anyways, not sure how big of an issue it is, but the proportion measurements on the calc of Adam's destruction of Pentious's airship are a bit off. In The calc, Adam's height is used to measure the minor diameter of the ovoid body of the ship, then comparing that to the proportions of the pilot airship. However, the measurements on the proportions of the minor diameter are a bit off, since the vertical measurement goes from the base of the airship body to itself. However, the proportions of the pilot airship only measure the top of the airship body to the lower body section above the cabin. Basically the airship is made up of two ovoids smashed together., while the first measurement of the minor diameter treats it as one ovoid.

Granted, I think the calc could be done better overall, including pixel scaling on the extremities and, and also using better scaling off of more full images of the airship, but I thought I'd just bring that up.
It's already removed.
 
Wouldn't he still have a physical form in that state/wouldn't a punch from a city sized thing cause that much damage? Or are we assuming that he's completely intangible in that state? Better yet, we should probably wait, because I'm sure he's gonna bring it out soon anyway, so then we'll get some clarification
Ok, so I may be a little lost here but when the hell did the city have hands? Also yeah, Vox still has a physical form, it's the one rage quitting because of Alastor. I do think Vox has Multilocation (he's shown several times to be able to exist in multiple electronics at once) but nothing suggests that he is the entire Pride Ring outright. He just has so much tech around it that he can be damn near anywhere on it and has the means to connect to it's power source (likely owned by Vox himself)
 
Wouldn't he still have a physical form in that state/wouldn't a punch from a city sized thing cause that much damage? Or are we assuming that he's completely intangible in that state? Better yet, we should probably wait, because I'm sure he's gonna bring it out soon anyway, so then we'll get some clarification
...Mate. His Full Demon Form is a BLACKOUT. DARKNESS.

ignoring he literally has a physical form in his home base where he was rage quitting with Alastor, darkness does not have mass. the most you'd get from that is large size.
 
Ok, so I may be a little lost here but when the hell did the city have hands? Also yeah, Vox still has a physical form, it's the one rage quitting because of Alastor. I do think Vox has Multilocation (he's shown several times to be able to exist in multiple electronics at once) but nothing suggests that he is the entire Pride Ring outright. He just has so much tech around it that he can be damn near anywhere on it and has the means to connect to it's power source (likely owned by Vox himself)
My idea was that he basically looked like himself, but the size of a city and pitch black like Al when he's half shadow, not that he is the literal darkness, but considering how so many people think that the person Lucifer is fighting is Vox and with how much evidence we have that Vox is going to punch up way too much for his own good, I'm sure it's going to get brought in one way or another, so I guess that question's going to be answered when it gets answered/if it even gets answered, and if he doesn't use it then we know it's not combat applicable anyway
 
And Vox, but admittedly I'm doing him.

Also you better reference the ** out of those stats you dirty ****--
Hey the verse stats are out of my hands, whatever is decided will be the standard to go forward. Besides it's not that hard to reference the one episode she actually fights in
 
My idea was that he basically looked like himself, but the size of a city and pitch black like Al when he's half shadow, not that he is the literal darkness, but considering how so many people think that the person Lucifer is fighting is Vox and with how much evidence we have that Vox is going to punch up way too much for his own good, I'm sure it's going to get brought in one way or another, so I guess that question's going to be answered when it gets answered/if it even gets answered, and if he doesn't use it then we know it's not combat applicable anyway
...Mate. His Full Demon Form is a BLACKOUT. DARKNESS.

ignoring he literally has a physical form in his home base where he was rage quitting with Alastor, darkness does not have mass. the most you'd get from that is large size.
Alastors shadow can still punch things, I forgot to bring that up as a reason why I thought Vox being the size of a city could scale to his AP, unless Voxs darkness would count differently?
 
And I'm saying Vivziepop said his full demon form is a city-wide blackout and is later shown in the show, not much to elaborate on.
I will introduce you to this little fella.
Don't think she died and became a sinner, considering Sinners can't reproduce (though Lucifer does have life/biological manip iirc) but also the fact that an Angel like Lucifer got Demonic properties, which leads me to believe that staying in hell for a long time makes you grow Demonic attributes.
Yea not Sinner, just Demon methinks.
 
I will introduce you to this little fella.
What's the association in there though? Vivziepop says his true form is a city-wide blackout, a city-wide blackout wouldn't make him change his visual appearance, and he has showcased causing a city-wide blackout, I don't see what's fallacious.
I don't see why a city wide blackout would be his true form, literally nothing suggests this + we literally see the dude just sitting in the dark because he just caused a blackout
It's confirmed by Vivziepop to be his full demon form.
 
You say that him causing a blackout = he turned into Demon Form, which is false association. He doesn’t grow in size nor change physically.
Dawg, please explain how do you grow in size to look like the absence of energy. When I'm saying "causing a blackout" I'm using it as a way to further elaborate he is the blackout in this situation.
The link is dead.
Doesn't mean it's wrong, especially if the feat was accepted at the some point, with it only being removed cuz the feat idea entirely was removed, not because it was wrong.
 
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