DarkLock92
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Pretty sure that only currently applies to the big bois like Lucifer and Adam
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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DarkLock92
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Nah Universal+ Lilith is going to happen, trust
Mythic381
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...What? Any solid thing in existence that gets punched will absorb energy. That's how deformation works. (I should've probably said dispersion instead, since the gun didn't break.)
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1. yea your wording confused me
2. that still doesn't solve your problem, a more than 1,400x diff isn't gonna all be taken by the weapon, that force would at minimum have Angel on his knees (again), and at worst, his hands break from that force all being put on his gun and thusly still screw him
I would also just like to remind you that this argument I'm making is just to make it perfectly clear that exorcist don't scale to Cope.wav, can we AT LEAST agree on that?
DarkLock92
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If Angelic steel worked like vibranium, this could actually make sense.
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I should have brought that up, because Mythic is treating angelic steel like that and thats just not how ANY weapon works unless its some vibranium type deal, which in this case, it isn't
Mythic381
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I already mentioned what solves the problem.
A:
B:
It's not like Shok.Wav is just invulnerable to everything.
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No you haven't, both the reasons I could see that would be in your favor have massive holes and are Occam's Razored by the fact that Exorcists are only mildly stronger than sinners on average
Yea, he isn't, but that doesn't mean Exors scale to him, because then that means sinners would be somewhat relative
Lemi be clear, Exorcists are peak sinner level, they have invulnerability and that's what protects them, IDFC if this site nuked it, its the best reasoning we have
Mythic381
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How are they "Occam's Razored" if your point is that "Exorcists are mildly stronger than sinners" when the point of me saying:
Is that Overlords and Exorcists are not unable to be harmed by sinners?
And what exactly is wrong with sinners being somewhat relative? Baxter's old creation that was attacked by Zestial didn't exactly tank the attack.
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I straight up don't get this sentence
They have anti-feats that make them not Shok.wav level, and so do exorcists, neither one of these groups are on that level, hell, it seems that not even OVERLORDS are, and if they are, they just BARELY make it
Mythic381
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Your point is that Exorcists are only mildly stronger than Sinners. My point is that I disagree with how we treat physical differences in the verse because we for some reason assume sinners are unable to harm overlords or exorcists.
They also have anti-feats that should put them at street level, yet didn't.
Your only anti-feat for exorcists is a character doing something that ignores the laws of physics, which is coincidentally done by most fictional medias.
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They literally CAN'T harm exorcists, that was the whole plot point about AW's
and yea, they prolly CAN hurt overlords, THEY don't get sky daddys favor and don't get invul
Those anti-feats are less consistent than their 9-B+ to 9-A scaling, and WAY better than them scaling to 8-B+
??? Fym ignoring the laws of physics? He blocked an attack, thats just fine by physics standards what are you on abt????
"Baxter's old creation that was attacked by Zestial didn't exactly tank the attack."
an old creation made without the backing of an overlord wasn't top tier, thats not really a supporter for you
DarkLock92
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We don't. Sinners and Overlords are currently on similar levels of strength. Cherri literally has hurting Val in her AP justification.
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And to be clear, I think that if you are relative to the angel in question, a sinner can cause them SOME discomfort, as the blow would register as on their level, but actual pain comes from taking damage, which no sinner can do without AW's
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Val was restrained
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k, and? the physical diff can't be THAT huge if Cherri can draw blood
DarkLock92
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So? Show me where Husk can reduce someone's durability by restraining them
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Off course it can't be that huge, but apparently only Alastor getting thrown was able to break glass and split someone apart.
Damn it, Vox just using his electricity caused a sinner to explode into blood
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restraining doesn't stop someone from having a baseline dura, if val was significantly higher than Cherri to that extent, then she'd be pulling a Mark vs Thragg and hurting herself
I'm sorry, what are you arguing? I'm starting to lose track of this whole convo
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Most verses don't do this, actually it doesn't work like that in some cases.
Punching someone that durable compared to you won't cause you to hurt yourself out, it will mostly just cause nothing against the opponent.
The difference between sinners and overlords is still to high, like COME ON
Mythic381
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Sure, besides later being untrue due to the various anti-feats that removed invulnerability.
Not really true. What saved the verse from street level is the fact they have 6 wall level feats and 3 building level. They only have 3 building level feats.
Angel Dust's arms not shattering from the attack isn't breaking the laws of physics by your logic?
We don't even how much of a difference in power they both have. We don't even see Alastor attempt to fight the shark. And that alone isn't going to prove he's stronger than Alastor, as Alastor has no reason to assume it was stronger than him.
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Still the biggest mistake we made for this verse
so...not street level then? They actually HAVE reasons to scale to small building? and NONE for 8-B?????
No, energy goes into the gun, some of that force is taken, the rest goes into Angels hands, none of that breaks physics as something something "equal and opposite reactions" stuff
Do you genuinly think that gun took the full brunt of the energy?
Ok, so don't try and compare them
He sure as hell is stronger than WEAKENED Al, I said nothing abt FP Al
At the time he did, as he was within the range of other overlords who could harm him, so Bruv.wav was reasonably a threat to him
DarkLock92
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Mythic381
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You think 2-3 calculations would warrant them not scaling higher? The calculations themselves don't even give a ceiling on how powerful they could be.
No? That weapon basically didn't absorb any of the energy, as it didn't bend or break in any way for it to absorb impact, meaning the energy was dispersed, with some of it going directly to Angel Dust himself.
What do you genuinely think Baxter could've done to make it fully stronger than the strongest of Overlord? We are talking about some of the strongest beings in the Pride Ring. Finding materials that would allow you to do that, and it only for some reason being invested into a shark doesn't make much sense.
You claimed that despite not accounting for anything I mentioned that proves that to be the case.
What? That is completely irrelevant to why Alastor would think Shok.Wav is stronger than him.
Mythic381
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5 months to wait. 15 episodes is good at least
DarkLock92
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We actually saw him in Apology Tour
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But now, he is back, AND ALIVE
DarkLock92
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DarkLock92
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Can't wait for "Unknown physically, 4-C with creation" Vassago
Mythic381
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He destroys them via making them go supernova and tanking all their energy.
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And Lucifer
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Like in episode 2 of the first season with the entire song (BELIEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT)
Mythic381
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I don't get what is the worry about UES here, isn't it literally mentioned in the thread that if something took a short time, they'd simply just downscale from it? We already have an accepted calc that uses the time it took for the weapon to charge up and fire.
Anonymous_Learner
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ok i'm seeing some wacky discussions but dawg Sinners as Strong as Cherri Bomb (who 100% is an above average sinner) can harm overlords and has been accept as such while regular sinners die to overlords. Restraining Val doesn't me he's vastly weaker, especially since we see cherri hard punch Val when he's not restrain an he turns his head and groans in pain
Mythic381
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I stopped really caring or checking Hellaverse upgrades for a while. Last time I even talked about that was when I argued it with Reaper, and he was the one arguing they don't.
This doesn't even matter much to the point of the argument
Anonymous_Learner
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i don't care for the exorcist drival that appears every month since they're statement merchants, just waned to note that since it rubbed me the wrong way
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