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as I recall, Charlie is above even the 7 sins in the hell heirarchy, if that’s true then it makes alastor casually reacting to Adam more impressive
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Giannysmag
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Giannysmag/Lucifer (Hazbin Hotel)
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ShionAH
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Wasnt Adam seriously holding back in that battle? He was not taking Alastor serious till he did, and we all know what happened later. Alastor couldnt react to his slash
ShionAH
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Shouldnt we remove this from the entirety of the verse? Adam used Angelic powers yet Pentious's soul was fine.Giannysmag/Lucifer (Hazbin Hotel)
- Soul Manipulation and Existence Erasure (Angelic weapons, which utalize angelic powers are capable of permanently killing demons who are slain by one, making their soul cease to exist)
Giannysmag
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He didn't use angelic weapons he used his own powers, but ig that would still count as an anti-feat
ShionAH
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His powers still kill Sinners since Sir Pentious died
Its not an antifeat, just disproves soul erasure negation makes more sense
Giannysmag
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Antifeat for soul manip i mean
Zabazab
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Looking at the source, whether Vivzie even intended for angelic weapons to have soul EE is up for debate- she's not the one that mentions the soul ceasing to exist. Even if it was intended, it could be interpreted as the soul ceasing to be as a natural process of the world due to a sinner already being in hell and thus having nowhere to go.
For now imo it should be replaced with Immortality Negation & Invulnerability Negation.
Soul EE can be replaced with Immortality Negation for all of a Sinner's immortalities, and he should also get Invulnerability Negation since he can harm Adam.Giannysmag/Lucifer (Hazbin Hotel)
He might also possibly have Invulnerability due to being an Angel? I think it could be appropriate at least.
Giannysmag
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I removed soul manip, profile should be good to go
ShionAH
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Idk about that, Adam could clearly get hurt by Alastor who didnt use Angelic Weapons
Though the start of the season 1 says Angels are made out of light so that may be incorpreality
Giannysmag
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iirc we do
ShionAH
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You sure? Whatever it takes doesnt make sense if we take it as canon
This should be discussed
Giannysmag
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i was told that hell's greatest dad i canon, which is were Lucifer gets size manip and duplication from
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wasn’t Alastor trying to block it? Fair point on the holding back, though
ShionAH
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After blocking it the next attack of Adam Alastor fails to react to
Zabazab
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Episode 7 made it pretty clear that Angels are normally invulnerable to non-angelic stuff, I think.
They're called invincible by Charlie, the Overlords believed they couldn't be killed, Carmilla points out that Vaggie fights without guarding at all because Angels can't be harmed normally.
Alastor doesn't really damage Adam at all, he lands an uppercut that does no visible damage and that's it. Alastor also used angelic weaponry in the finale, and when the Exorcists were stopped by his barrier Charlie exclaimed "Alastor's shield is working!", which would imply he did something with his magic that'd counter Angels.
They're called invincible by Charlie, the Overlords believed they couldn't be killed, Carmilla points out that Vaggie fights without guarding at all because Angels can't be harmed normally.
Alastor doesn't really damage Adam at all, he lands an uppercut that does no visible damage and that's it. Alastor also used angelic weaponry in the finale, and when the Exorcists were stopped by his barrier Charlie exclaimed "Alastor's shield is working!", which would imply he did something with his magic that'd counter Angels.
ShionAH
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Fair Point. Would they also have Incorpreality since Charlie says they are made out of light?
Giannysmag
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So should i also add invisibility to Lucifers profile?
Zabazab
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It'd just be inorganic physiology I imagine, Vaggie seems pretty solid at least.
Giannysmag
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he also said “so did your second” which implies he rizzed up both women
ShionAH
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I think he meant "offer" as in the fruit of knowledge but made it sound sexual to annoy him
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No, you see the planets
ShionAH
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Thats dummy, so no dimensional travel : (
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is it just me or should the Adam vs Alastor fight been portrayed as the strongest mortal angel vs the strongest mortal sinner, and the fight should have definitely been longer and closer with Adam barely edging out a win. Would have shown the threat of Adam but also Alastor for later on in the series, cause with how much hype Alastor has around him inverse, he’s really underwhelming in terms of feats
ShionAH
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I’m so pissed, how tf is gojo’s death treated better than alastors lossAlastor was not build for it, bro got humbled 🗣
Giannysmag
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Lucifer's profile is done but i'm gonna wait till the discussion with Adam is done before posting it
Giannysmag
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Walastor is gonna come back next season with top of the verse magic and somehow access to angelic powers trust
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Don’t do my boy Alastor like that, he’s gonna be the final boss at the end of it tbf
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And when fighting Lilith he’ll say, I didn’t shit, that’s why I lost to Adam, but now I’ll use my anti-Lilith technique which I haven’t used since 1930’s
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It was clear to me that Alastor wasn't going to do much to Adam, in fact I was surprised he was doing so well until he got stomped.
Alastor didn't use a single angelic weapon against Adam, so there was no way he could do anything to hurt him. I wonder if Alastor himself was aware he stood no chance and purposefully didn't use any angelic weapons to make sure Adam wouldn't take him more seriously and erase him with a single light blast?
Because even with angelic weapons I doubt he'd actually defeat Adam. Alastor clearly did not want to be there in the first place, the only reason he fought was due to whatever deal is keeping him here. And despite that he barely escape getting killed, assuming anything I said is right.
Alastor's hype is compared to the Overlords, who are not the top dogs of the verse by any means. He's very strong as an Overlord, but compared to the angel who leads all of the exorcist? Right now Alastor isn't even close to the top, maybe something could change in the future. But that's speculation for another time.
Alastor didn't use a single angelic weapon against Adam, so there was no way he could do anything to hurt him. I wonder if Alastor himself was aware he stood no chance and purposefully didn't use any angelic weapons to make sure Adam wouldn't take him more seriously and erase him with a single light blast?
Because even with angelic weapons I doubt he'd actually defeat Adam. Alastor clearly did not want to be there in the first place, the only reason he fought was due to whatever deal is keeping him here. And despite that he barely escape getting killed, assuming anything I said is right.
Alastor's hype is compared to the Overlords, who are not the top dogs of the verse by any means. He's very strong as an Overlord, but compared to the angel who leads all of the exorcist? Right now Alastor isn't even close to the top, maybe something could change in the future. But that's speculation for another time.
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Seriously, he KNOWS Angels are invincible, he was using angelic weapons against Exorcists earlier, what was he doing trying to fight Adam
ShionAH
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If he had a weapon he would be a threat. And then zap. Just like pentiousSeriously, he KNOWS Angels are invincible, he was using angelic weapons against Exorcists earlier, what was he doing trying to fight Adam
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