Has an intelligence stomp ever occurred?

[Mand21]

The title says it all. Has this wiki ever had a match where two characters were on equal footing or, worse, character A had a pretty big power advantage over character B but Character B won via intellectually stomping him?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Under what circumstances would this even happen though?

 

[Wokistan]

Composite human and abusing prep?

Since battles aren't debates or the like, I don't think this has ever happened. Smart/Omniscient characters have had advantages due to that before, but I don't think you can really stomp like that.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Stepehn Hawking during his last days before dying VS a planet buster with the intellegence of an ant


Obviously Hawking wins because he's smarter

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Depends.

characters like Joseph Joestar are quite clever and have experience tricking opponents.

If you make him fight an eney that is at least 4 times stronger than him, but its dumb as rocks, it could be argued Joseph would still win due to the difference in intelligence.

 

[Mand21]

That's not what I meant, Zachary. :v

But, for example... a Tier 10-A random guy who knows some street fighting and uses a bat vs a Tier 10-B supergenius. The 10-B supergenius can hurt 10-A guy and has shown proficience at fighting through being extremely cunning, possibly having defeated or even insta-incapacitated 9-Cs by using the scenario to his advantage, martial arts gimmicks 'n' shit.

So thread gets closed because 10-A guy is nowhere near the kind of shit 10-B guy has shown to be able to outsmart to oblivion.

 

[Wokistan]

That's not an intelligence stomp, nor even a skill stomp. He'd just be outskilled and win.

 

[Mand21]

Not? Like, it's a situation where guy who has several times the AP never stood a chance in hell of beating the weaker opponent. Barely a fight.

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah that's still just decisive, considering he should still be able to KO(Or maybe even kill with the bat) in one blow.

 

[The_Everlasting]

10-A and 10-B is an utterly negligible gap in terms of power.

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

I think Infinite Zamasu is a likely candidate to eventually be 'intelligence stomped' if it hasn't happened already

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Maybe you are talking about an instance where someone with psychological academic studies makes a depresed or very determined person see that they are wrong and thus, break their view on the world?


Like 999 vs Lightning.

 

[Mand21]

Maybe you are talking about an instance where someone with psychological academic studies makes a depresed or very determined person see that they are wrong and thus, break their view on the world?


Like 999 vs Lightning.

Any situation where intelligence would stomp, really. >.>

Yeah that's still just decisive, considering he should still be able to KO(Or maybe even kill with the bat) in one blow.

Isn't that based on the premise that he'll ever be able to hit him with the bat? Like, he might see himself in a situation in which while he could, say, in theory throw the bat and cause damage, approaching to melee range will set off an APless trap such as a hidden pitfall and make him fall. Or maybe 10-B dude made a lever with a stick and a stone and hid it well so that as soon as 10-A approaches, all he has to do is step on it , possibly even being able to fix the directioning so that there exists no situation in which 10-A guy would have a chance without being more than "somewhat combat smart".

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

Probably a dozen Umineko characters ''could'' rack up intelligence stomps in otherwise fair matches

 

[Numbersguy]

10-A and 10-B is an utterly negligible gap in terms of power.

Not really

This dude knocked out an entire gang, one punch each.

 

[Mand21]

Probably a dozen Umineko characters could rack up intelligence stomps in otherwise fair matches

I need to see such a thing happen >.> Is it can a battle which is not a stomp be a spite? -q

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Proffessor X, maybe?

 

[Numbersguy]

I think I know WHEN an intelligence stomp can happen.

When the character is a genius that with a ton of prep is a pain in the butt to deal with, aka his gear is what makes him/her win.

Examples: Rick Sanchez, Doctor Doom, Dr. Eggma, etc.

Aka, it's an "intelligence stomp" when the gear invented by said char is far higher than the other chars' tier.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

I mean, if we put Professor X vs a Goomba, we know who would win based on Xavier´s mental abilities despite both having the same tier.

 

[Wokistan]

He also has telekinesis way stronger than 10C, so theres that. He isn't just winning because he's smart. Intelligence is usually better with prep, as can be seen with stuff like Composite Human, Doom, Ahzek, etc, but once you get to the level with omniscients it doesn't matter nearly as much.

 

[Mand21]

I actually picture it in my mind as not gears, but plans based. Like, guy is capable of making a plan and use enemy strengths and weaknesses against them to such an extent he defeats people way beyond what this wiki would otherwise consider a stomp against him, and with curbstomp battles at that.

Such as being able to create a plan and use piercing and cutting stuff from the environment to amplify his AP, or have a 9-B opponent get fooled into disestabilizing a building and then use magic tricks to get out of it so his opponent will only notice when it is too late, and then guy who does that is basically some 10-B with top notch human level speed against a 9-B monster with animal or at most below-average intellect but which would never have a chance against the universe unless the human suffered from some serious PIS not to use his in-character gimmicks. The human would thus intelligence-stomp through above average/gifted intelligence, and this way we could say any 2 to 3 tiers of intelligence you go up result in an intelligence stomp if that intelligence is combat-oriented.

 

[The_Everlasting]

This is assuming prep (And generally super situational) though.

If you just throw them into a battle without warning none of this will happen.

 

[Wokistan]

Without prep, combat intelligence and quick thinking is more important than academic intelligence. Of course, characters like CH, Doom, and Ahzek Ahriman have that as well, but one character having like a higher IQ for instance would not necessarily have a more applicable form of intelligence than a hardened soldier.

 

[Mand21]

It's exactly quick thinking and combat intelligence that I mean, but on extreme, stompy levels. Like a circus magician who utterly fodderizes an army throughout a few minutes by making them attack each other, hurt themselves, have their weapons used against them and ultimately be annihilated with the statements that, although their opponent had by no means similar levels of strength, any chance of victory or alternative which would grant them such was an illusion created by him with the exact purpose of luring them into fighting and dying.

 

[Schnee_One]

This depends

Because intelligence needs to be defined.

Are we talking skill in fightining or exploiting weaknesses etc?

Because there are plenty of matches where characters A and B are equal if not A having a slight advantage over the other in terms of AP and abilities but B has such a horrifyingly massive skill gap they're capable of making a complete fool out of character A, but skill Stomps don't exist on this site, which I'm okay with.

The best examples I can think of where a skill gap was so immense it would be a rather easy fight is the old Assassin (Fate/stay night) vs Akame match and most if not all Mami Tomoe and Jax matches

 

[Mand21]

We're talking any intelligence stat that is not about having a physical or power advantage, but specifically being able to use what you, your opponent and the environment have to get an edge over your opponent without the need for prep, but rather your way of fighting

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Its impossible to have an intelligence stomp on itself.

anyone possibly could kill Steven Hawking, his intelligence itself doesnt matter.

But if he could mindhax you, then it wouldnt be "intelligence" by itself, but a win by mindhax.

 

[Akreious]

Someone with Supergenius intellect and a Super-Computer Analyst level Mind that is able to process several billions of code every millisecond would stomp an Animalistic person, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Wokistan]

I mean, Kharn wins most of his matches due to skill. That's because he has the second strongest power null respective to tier on the site, a dura negating axe, but a really crazy dura neg, and 12 thousand years of experience fighting nearly nonstop. In fact, the easiest way to beat him is to be very skilled and also have a massive AP advantage, but very few characters are both skilled enough and are otherwise strong enough without hax. You can also just resist 1B powernull, but I digress.

 

[Mand21]

Someone with Supergenius intellect and a Super-Computer Analyst level Mind that is able to process several billions of code every millisecond would stomp an Animalistic person, I'm pretty sure.

People seem to disagree, though.

I mean, Kharn wins most of his matches due to skill. That's because he has the second strongest power null respective to tier on the site, a dura negating axe, but a really crazy dura neg, and 12 thousand years of experience fighting nearly nonstop. In fact, the easiest way to beat him is to be very skilled and also have a massive AP advantage, but very few characters are both skilled enough and are otherwise strong enough without hax. You can also just resist 1B powernull, but I digress.

That seems like mostly hax unless he has intelligence feats of strategy stomp in combat. -q

 

[RRTheEndMan]

well if someone's got infite years of training at infinite speed likely yes, via dodging everything and slowly scratching the opponent's atoms away.

 

[Mand21]

well if someone's got infite years of training at infinite speed likely yes, via dodging everything and slowly scratching the opponent's atoms away.

That's speed blitz. Also, even at infinite speed, an ant lacks the necessary AP to scratch even a single atom out of a glass cup. A human being drinking from it takes like eight atoms per sip (I need decent sources but it had them in a chemistry exam I had in highschool, lol). If the opponent is over three orders of magnitude superior to AP in Dura, this might be impossible.

 

[RRTheEndMan]

That's speed blitz. Also, even at infinite speed, an ant lacks the necessary AP to scratch even a single atom out of a glass cup. A human being drinking from it takes like eight atoms per sip (I need decent sources but it had them in a chemistry exam I had in highschool, lol). If the opponent is over three orders of magnitude superior to AP in Dura, this might be impossible.

(with speed equalized)

 

[Mand21]

Oh, I see.

Well, if dude has limitless stamina then I guess so, too, but damn. And it fails to be a stomp if it's so hard for him to do it. >.> It's merely a decisive fight where an Extraordinary Genius fights an animalistic guy and creates a strategy where nothing from the animalistic guy works (say, climb a tree which the animal can also climb but is too dumb to, then spam attacks from there). And yet we hope regen won't subdue that.