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He wasn't even really toying, he wanted Garfiel to think he was toying with him to throw him off his game, he was actually getting very annoyed by Garf's vitality. Olbart was just unlucky to fight someone who countered his invis, poison, & had strong regen. Even then he'd have killed Garf if not for Ros-chi.
Hmmmmm. You're not entirely wrong but he wasn't going close to all out. He just thought that would be enough and Garf happened to counter his attempts. He was going for the kill but not really very hard. As always, Garfiel is extraordinarily lucky.
 
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Can't Olbart just kick in Garou's direction and kill him with his spatial slashes? also, what more, does he have an answer to Olbart's age, mind and soulhax?..Becouse Olbart opens with his spatial kick in character, his soul & age hax is what he uses as a second resort. I don't see Garou resisting any of these abilities on this key, so I vote for Olbart via Hax
 
Can't Olbart just kick in Garou's direction and kill him with his spatial slashes? also, what more, does he have an answer to Olbart's age, mind and soulhax?..Becouse Olbart opens with his spatial kick in character, his soul & age hax is what he uses as a second resort. I don't see Garou resisting any of these abilities on this key, so I vote for Olbart via Hax
votes are 7-3 which means we have hit grace

Edit: Recounted and its actually 10-3 and we hit grace a very long time ago
 
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That's a bit of a weird argument. "It doesn't make sense to me so it can't be true" is not a good argument for an outlier lol.
Before this gets closed, I wanna clarify: It was removed due to the fact that it's either a mathematical impossibility (like, objectively, Ram cannot move that fast compared to Garfiel via "talent and intuition" no matter how you try to argue it), or Ram was not actually weakened to Average Human level speed, or Garfiel was just an idiot that didn't know how to actually hit his target. So yeah, because of that, that feat's not usable as an argument. On VSBW, anyway
 
Wow, you really din't understood my argument If that's how you interpret my logic.

Like "well, is real life this is not possible, so they should't have done that in Fiction" is not even my point. Even by the context of the scene, It would't be possible for her to do any of that.

There's actually more reasons for this feat not making any sense, but I not gonna derail this thread.
The logic is literally just "But it doesn't make sense that she did this" providing no evidence that it is an actual outlier. It's a "logical conclusion" formed by comparisons and appealing ideas about what makes sense in the given context, but there is no direct reasoning beyond that. It simply doesn't disprove that in the very scene this happens in Ram is described as prediction-dodging a much faster opponent because she's very talented, at best you could simply make the argument that either Ram even in this context is still faster than a normal person or Garfiel is not as fast as we thought, but there is literally no reason to say Ram isn't skilled enough to dodge attacks from a faster opponent via predictions, that's just WHAT HAPPENS in the scene. This is reminiscent of the Roshi moon feat but even that had more justification as an outlier.
 
Before this gets closed, I wanna clarify: It was removed due to the fact that it's either a mathematical impossibility (like, objectively, Ram cannot move that fast compared to Garfiel via "talent and intuition" no matter how you try to argue it), or Ram was not actually weakened to Average Human level speed, or Garfiel was just an idiot that didn't know how to actually hit his target. So yeah, because of that, that feat's not usable as an argument. On VSBW, anyway
Mathematical impossibility doesn't apply to fictional feats, this makes no sense on a fundamental level my guy. Ram was described as being reduced to a normal girl capable of what her appearance would suggest. Garfiel is extremely skilled albeit at that point in time was definitely in an animalistic mindset and likely not amazing at fighting.

But ultimately this isn't an appropriate thread for that discussion and Olbart is winning anyways.
 
Mathematical impossibility doesn't apply to fictional feats, this makes no sense on a fundamental level my guy. Ram was described as being reduced to a normal girl capable of what her appearance would suggest. Garfiel is extremely skilled albeit at that point in time was definitely in an animalistic mindset and likely not amazing at fighting.

But ultimately this isn't an appropriate thread for that discussion and Olbart is winning anyways.
It's best to give it up man. I gave up on the RZ profiles being accurate a long time ago. At least they're way better here than anywhere else.
 
The logic is literally just "But it doesn't make sense that she did this" providing no evidence that it is an actual outlier. It's a "logical conclusion" formed by comparisons and appealing ideas about what makes sense in the given context, but there is no direct reasoning beyond that.
That's how you proof a feat is a outlier trought?

Like what you want me to do, Ram here drop her speed to a normal girl, and now is facing a opponent 1000x faster than her, and dodging multiple blows of his.

Logically she should't be able to do this, Garf would have been able to throw like 100 attacks in the time it took her to dodge even 1, and there's actually no Explanation on how she did, like-
Ram is described as prediction-dodging a much faster opponent because she's very talented,
-That never happened.
The scan only says she did with "intuiton and talent", It never says she was predicting-dogding.

Trought, even If you want to argue that she was doing that, because is how everyone dodgdes anything is this verse, It still would't be able to explain, because she did all that in Close combat, not from a distance.
 
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