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Half Monster Garou vs The Vicious Old Man (3-10-0)

I don't think Olbart has an answer to the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist. He'd get shredded to pieces while also getting his body function shut down.
 
Kachon123 said:
I don't think Olbart has an answer to the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist. He'd get shredded to pieces while also getting his body function shut down.
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there are multiple reasons as to why it wouldnt
1. Olbart isnt a standing target and can even dodge undodgable attacks
2. if he does get hit he can simply have the attack pass through him
3. he can also just reflect the attack elsewhere
More importantly how is Garou gonna be dealing with Olbart's sneaky tricks which even confused arc 7-8 garfiel
 
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SatellaTheWoE said:
there are multiple reasons as to why it wouldnt
1. Olbart isnt a standing target and can even dodge undodgable attacks
2. if he does get hit he can simply have the attack pass through him
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If he can dodge undodgable attacks, they are by definition not undodgable. AKA a hyperbole.

Presumably he'd need to become solid again in order to attack? Once Garou starts attacking, he literally never stops. He gets faster and stronger at an alarming rate constantly while doing this too. What this means is that Garou can just play the waiting game, continuing to attack until Olbart solidifies himself.

And unless Olbart has any ranged attacks, retreating won't do anything for him in this match.
 
Kachon123 said:
If he can dodge undodgable attacks, they are by definition not undodgable. AKA a hyperbole.
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AHem
You have to remember the fact that he is alive even though he is an old geezer, it will take a lot to kill him!
Kachon123 said:
Presumably he'd need to become solid again in order to attack? Once Garou starts attacking, he literally never stops. He gets faster and stronger at an alarming rate constantly while doing this too. What this means is that Garou can just play the waiting game, continuing to attack until Olbart solidifies himself.
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Well he can also just redirect all the force to the ground
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and of course, no attack will ever work on him twice
Kachon123 said:
And unless Olbart has any ranged attacks, retreating won't do anything for him in this match.
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he does have shurikens and standard ninja stuff plus
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"I’ve heard it said that’cha and the folks of the monster association are awfully tough, but… Are ya tougher than the folks of my village were"-Olbart

On a serious note Garou has to get pass Olbart's layered invisibility to start with, the fact he can get pass stuff which can detect other invisibile stuff, I mean anyone Divine General tier can easily sense invisble stuff, but Shinobi somehow still bypass that...

If Olbart somehow touches Garou, he gets turned into a kid, and pretty much game over there.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
AHem
You have to remember the fact that he is alive even though he is an old geezer, it will take a lot to kill him!
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Can't he literally become intangible?
SatellaTheWoE said:
he does have shurikens and standard ninja stuff plus
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None of those would work on Garou. If he gets a hand of any of them he could use them to target Olbart's vitals as well. With Garou's rate of growth, eventually he will start to blitz.
SatellaTheWoE said:
Well he can also just redirect all the force to the ground
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The shockwaves from Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist negate attack reflection.
 
Kachon123 said:
Can't he literally become intangible?
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he can but in this instance its talking about the fact that he can literally dodge attacks where there is no space to dodge, this is also a repeated feat performed by characters who cant become intangible
Kachon123 said:
None of those would work on Garou. If he gets a hand of any of them he could use them to target Olbart's vitals as well. With Garou's rate of growth, eventually he will start to blitz.
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Olbart is tricky that way, Garfiel also grew at a fast rate and started adapting to his shenanigans but they arent something Garou could take on first try
Although yeah if he manages to outgrow and outstat Olbart then its ggs
Kachon123 said:
The shockwaves from Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist negate attack reflection.
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Olbart's attack reflection is fundamentally different from Bang's, what he does is closer to just letting the energy pass through him and to the ground taking no damage at all from it
 
I think Olbart takes this fairly easily due to his initial advantage, while Garou can only secure a victory after surviving various of his tactics, such as layered invisibility, pressure points, random attacks and particularly his infantilization.
I will be voting for him
 
Olbart will more than likely win


The moment he notices that Garou is the type to get stronger in fights, he'll immediately find a way to quickly kill him, but even then, Olbart isn't the type of guy to prolong fights

Olbart has multiple weapons and abilities in his arsenal to whittle down Garou, such as shurikens, explosions, poison (which he can give you by simply touching you and his shurikens can also be coated with poison or be explosive)
If Garou tries to block the shurikens with his hands, he gets poisoned and if he tries to dodge then they'll explode

Olbart shouldn't really have any problems dealing with Garou's attacks either, as he can slip into the ground, jump into the air or even just tank the attack by making it pass into the ground or into Garou himself, making him get hit by his own attack

I also think Olbart would honestly outsmart Garou every step of the way, as he was constantly tricking the likes of Yorna and Garfiel during his fights with them


At the end of the day, I think Olbart is simply too cunning and versatile for Garou, tho I will say that if this turns into a prolongued fight, Garou might win, but at the end of the day, I'll vote Olbart FRA
 
I think Olbart takes this given the abilities and skill he possesses. Garou will struggle to actually hit him and Olbart just needs to touch Garou to win from the sound of it. Garou is skilled and all but Re:Zero characters get absurd with skill layering from what I understand. Garou has a chance if he plays his cards right and adapts to some of Olbart's tricks, but realistically I think Olbart takes it 8/10 times.
 
Kachon123 said:
If he can dodge undodgable attacks, they are by definition not undodgable. AKA a hyperbole.

Presumably he'd need to become solid again in order to attack? Once Garou starts attacking, he literally never stops. He gets faster and stronger at an alarming rate constantly while doing this too. What this means is that Garou can just play the waiting game, continuing to attack until Olbart solidifies himself.

And unless Olbart has any ranged attacks, retreating won't do anything for him in this match.
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I think this discounts Olbart's skill. From his page it sounds like Olbart scales to skill god characters from Re:Zero. Again the skill layering in Re:Zero gets nasty. I mean character's prediction-dodging so good they can dodge attacks from opponents dozens-hundreds of times faster.
 
RinneItachi said:
. I mean character's prediction-dodging so good they can dodge attacks from opponents dozens-hundreds of times faster.
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Nah that never happened.

Also Olbart Fra, his Shinobi tricks gonna a kill before Garou fully adapts.
 
RinneItachi said:
That's a bit of a weird argument. "It doesn't make sense to me so it can't be true" is not a good argument for an outlier lol.
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Oh god no....

Probably the most controversial argument in Re Zero power scaling.

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Olbart FRA. While garou does resist poison in a lesser key and is able to regen lethal wounds fairly quickly. He still gets outsmarted, has no counter to layered invisibility, has no counter to od manipulation, and while he could potentially copy/devise a counter to attack reflection (specially considering understanding flow verbatim and attack reflection are kind of his thing). Olbart already has a lot of advantages at the beggining of the fight to let things reach this point.
 
Olbart FRA for me. It's worth noting that we literally just had a Garfiel vs Garou thread where we pretty much came to the conclusion that their skill levels are similar and the only real reason Garou would win is because of his greater accelerated development. But Olbart's skill, intelligence, and sheer versatility is off the charts to the extent he was toying with Garfiel despite being vastly physically weaker and we probably haven't even seen most of what he can do. He most certainly would put Garou down before he can reach his level, much the same as he would have done to Garfiel had Roswaal not saved him.
 
**** it we ball 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ (aka this is a rushed message)

So, Olbart is more skilled than Garou because Garou = Garfield <<< Olbart . Gotcha.

I don't think that Olbart would be able to whittle down and kill Garou by out-lasting him because Garou's Supernatural Willpower and nuts Stamina would make it hard for Olbart to tire him out. Don't get me wrong, Poison Manipulation and Od absolutely ****s Garou, but Olbart risks getting grabbed and ripped apart by Garou everytime he goes into Standard Melee Range.

(Garou)
Lifting Strength: Class G (Somewhat contended with Post-Superfight Genos, and broke out of his grip while a weakened state) | At least Class G (Stronger than before), higher with Reactive Evolution (Able to match Darkshine in brute force)
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(Olbart)
Lifting Strength: Class 5 (Comparable to Garfiel Tinsel)
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I know I know, garbage Re;Zero LS mentioned. Olbart was only able to get Garfield with Poison Manipulation because Garfield was distracted by a corpse.
With five fingers of his outstretched, the old man’s face sank into the ground and disappeared, leaving behind his ridicule.

Immediately after looking him in the eye, he recalled the signs happening behind himself, and launched a backhand, splendidly so. From the tremendous response he felt, his opponent’s spine had been shattered, but the rebound he had sensed told him that he had hit something that was not the old man.

Looking at it, it appeared to be one of the corpses on the battlefield, which the old man had flung out from the sunken ground. By the time he realized that he had been successfully duped, it was already too late.

???: [Lookie here, you’re gettin’ caught again.]

The body flung over the backhand, and his shoulder was struck from behind. In other words, the Vicious Old Man―― Olbart had not moved from the ground he had dived into, but simply leapt to another location.

The small old man, having only casually touched his shoulder, escaped backwards while showing off his fine set of teeth.
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With Speed Equalized, I don't see Olbart getting his off without Garou at bare minimum being able to Instinctive Reaction dodge it or react to it in some way. I'm also not sure if this was Garfield getting out-sped by Olbart either. Olbart can be caught off guard too, but I could be wrong since I'm not sure how to read this sequence of events.
A thunderous boom and red light spread alongside searing heat, exhibiting power that would easily reduce a human being to dust, and Garfiel’s figure disappeared in the resulting blast of flame.

Olbart: [Well, that’s a tad――]

And, right after Olbart focused his eyes into the flames raging on.

Garfiel: [GAHHHHHHHH!!]

The moment Garfiel had been swallowed by the explosion, he had rushed towards Olbart shouting, using the flames as a distraction.

He had supposed that Olbart would make a move were he to show an opening. He did not know what exactly he had been plotting, but he gambled successfully.

Garfiel’s arms closed in on Olbart, who had been blinded by his own attack, and――,

Olbart: [So green ya are, young fella.]

His outstretched arms were crushed, and opening his eyes in surprise, Garfiel took an upwards punt to the jaw. As his face rose in height, Olbart leaped, stamping a foot of his on Garfiel’s face.

On one leg, Olbart stood on Garfiel’s face on one leg as the latter looked upwards, and in that position, the evil old man looked off into the distance, as if to tease the boy.
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I've also seen that Olbart would throw kunais and explosives at Garou but...I can't say anything other than Garou dodges it.
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Garou would absolutely get caught off guard by a projectile blowing up in his face, initially at least, but it loses it's flair because Garou would dodge it.

Olbart would eventually have to get to close-quarters-combat, and while he does out-smart, I don't think it would be to the point where Garou would never be able to hit him, especially when it quite literally takes one grab to kill Olbart. If Garou sees that Olbart loves to throw projectiles, he's going to rip off his arm first chance he gets.
 
Catbowtie said:
I don't think that Olbart would be able to whittle down and kill Garou by out-lasting him because Garou's Supernatural Willpower and nuts Stamina would make it hard for Olbart to tire him out. Don't get me wrong, Poison Manipulation and Od absolutely ****s Garou, but Olbart risks getting grabbed and ripped apart by Garou everytime he goes into Standard Melee Range.
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Olbart's fought people with crazy stamina as well, the real problem is Garou's growth and if he has the time to evolve. Olbart's stamina and endurance are actually very good, he was still throwing around jokes while being on the verge of death with his arms blown off and body covered in blood, he's not going down easily. Furthermore, he could use one of his limbs being ripped off as an advantage, as he literally keeps explosives in his sleeves. When he got his arm broken by Yorna, he immediately proceeded to throw it at her and it literally exploded from the inside so yeah...
Catbowtie said:
Olbart was only able to get Garfield with Poison Manipulation because Garfield was distracted by a corpse.
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He would have also gotten Garfiel with poison if Roswaal hadn't told him his shurikens were coated with poison
Catbowtie said:
With Speed Equalized, I don't see Olbart getting his off without Garou at bare minimum being able to Instinctive Reaction dodge it or react to it in some way.
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Fair enough. the shurikens and explosives will probably end up being distractions for his other tricks
Catbowtie said:
I'm also not sure if this was Garfield getting out-sped by Olbart either. Olbart can be caught off guard too, but I could be wrong since I'm not sure how to read this sequence of events.
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I think it's Garfiel thinking he caught Olbart off-guard by using the fire of the explosion to his advantage to supposedly blind Olbart but... this obviously didn't work. The only times we saw Olbart get caught off-guard were during Spica's first use of the Leaper ability and when he saw kid Cecilus chase after Mezoria, where it's mentioned by the narration that it was one of only a handful of openings that Olbart had made in his life and I don't think Garou has anything in his arsenal that would catch Olbart off-guard.
Catbowtie said:
Garou would absolutely get caught off guard by a projectile blowing up in his face, initially at least, but it loses it's flair because Garou would dodge it.
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He'd still take damage from that first explosion, which will be advantageous to Olbart.
Catbowtie said:
Olbart would eventually have to get to close-quarters-combat, and while he does out-smart, I don't think it would be to the point where Garou would never be able to hit him, especially when it quite literally takes one grab to kill Olbart. If Garou sees that Olbart loves to throw projectiles, he's going to rip off his arm first chance he gets.
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Olbart could tag Garou in close-quarters-combat with his kunai (which are more than likely poisoned as well) and considering the fact that he always aims for vitals, it's gonna get a bit dangerous for Garou. Garou ripping off Olbart's arm is gonna backfire very hard on him...
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Olbart's fought people with crazy stamina as well, the real problem is Garou's growth and if he has the time to evolve. Olbart's stamina and endurance are actually very good, he was still throwing around jokes while being on the verge of death with his arms blown off and body covered in blood, he's not going down easily. Furthermore, he could use one of his limbs being ripped off as an advantage, as he literally keeps explosives in his sleeves. When he got his arm broken by Yorna, he immediately proceeded to throw it at her and it literally exploded from the inside so yeah...
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That is if Garou doesn't arbitrarily decide to bisect Olbart's lower and upper half through LS. Garou would get caught off guard by it since a similar thing happened with Genos.

His explosives can hurt someone who's 7A? How badly? I see Olbart's profile says this about the bombs
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Garou should be able to resist the "fire" part of the bombs. The bomb's "explosion" will undoubtedly affect him, but the ensuing fire wouldn't harm him at all.
Gigi_4_life said:
He would have also gotten Garfiel with poison if Roswaal hadn't told him his shurikens were coated with poison
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Best I can say to that is maybe Garou could develop resistance to it through his Reactive Evolution.
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Though Garou could tough it out for a good amount of time if he couldn't.

Gigi_4_life said:
Fair enough. the shurikens and explosives will probably end up being distractions for his other tricks
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Gotcha.

Gigi_4_life said:
I think it's Garfiel thinking he caught Olbart off-guard by using the fire of the explosion to his advantage to supposedly blind Olbart but... this obviously didn't work. The only times we saw Olbart get caught off-guard were during Spica's first use of the Leaper ability and when he saw kid Cecilus chase after Mezoria, where it's mentioned by the narration that it was one of only a handful of openings that Olbart had made in his life and I don't think Garou has anything in his arsenal that would catch Olbart off-guard.
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Gotcha. Garou could begin to outspeed Olbart using his Statistics Amplification.
(Went from being incapable of fighting back against Death Gatling's team to effortlessly reducing their numbers to half upon using Awakening Breath, honing in on his eyesight and ability to predict his opponent's movements)
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Gigi_4_life said:
He'd still take damage from that first explosion, which will be advantageous to Olbart.
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Well, knowledgeable members have already established that Olbart will be toying with Garou. If that's the case, I see a lot of the same that happened with Garfield happened here. Only difference being that Garou should be able to use his Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and his multiple mental abilities to keep himself alive long enough to overpower Olbart.

Gigi_4_life said:
Olbart could tag Garou in close-quarters-combat with his kunai (which are more than likely poisoned as well) and considering the fact that he always aims for vitals, it's gonna get a bit dangerous for Garou. Garou ripping off Olbart's arm is gonna backfire very hard on him...
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The "always aims for vitals" part kinda goes without saying. It doesn't seem like there's any substance to saying that. Okay, OLbart aims for vitals. Garou regenerates or dodges it.
Regeneration (Low-Mid...
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Low-Mid: The ability to regenerate lost limbs, limited brain damage, and even severe organ damage or destruction, including traditionally fatal wounds and disembowelment or horizontal bisection. For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating minor parts and more extensive internal damage.
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Olbart being able to function without a limb doesn't take away from the fact that Olbart has one less hand/body part. Hell, Garou could probably rip off his legs if he got Olbart by that area. Can Olbart still perform at his peak with missing body parts? Especially with missing legs or such?
 
VortechsTG said:
Don't worry. I'm with you on this. Anyone who has read arc 9 especially should understand that this is just how ReZero operates.
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In a series where the main character, a teenager shut-in, gets taken into another world by someone else's will and endowed with the power to rewind time automatically to a certain point upon his death, is it really, truly, so hard to believe that some characters are just so skilled they can perform such feats? It literally does not matter if it's impossible by real life, that argument in any context regarding a fictional story is peak absurdity.

Guess what, being faster than light is impossible. Guess it's time to downgrade the Flash to relativistic+!! Hey, living creatures CANNOT manifest life energy to create energy blasts capable of destroying planets, that is not only impossible but so outlandish it defies the realm of common sense, we should downgrade Dragon Ball to tier 9 being generous.

It's the literal worst possible reasoning, lol.
 
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Catbowtie said:
That is if Garou doesn't arbitrarily decide to bisect Olbart's lower and upper half through LS. Garou would get caught off guard by it since a similar thing happened with Genos.

His explosives can hurt someone who's 7A? How badly? I see Olbart's profile says this about the bombs

Garou should be able to resist the "fire" part of the bombs. The bomb's "explosion" will undoubtedly affect him, but the ensuing fire wouldn't harm him at all.

Best I can say to that is maybe Garou could develop resistance to it through his Reactive Evolution.

Though Garou could tough it out for a good amount of time if he couldn't.


Gotcha.


Gotcha. Garou could begin to outspeed Olbart using his Statistics Amplification.



Well, knowledgeable members have already established that Olbart will be toying with Garou. If that's the case, I see a lot of the same that happened with Garfield happened here. Only difference being that Garou should be able to use his Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and his multiple mental abilities to keep himself alive long enough to overpower Olbart.


The "always aims for vitals" part kinda goes without saying. It doesn't seem like there's any substance to saying that. Okay, OLbart aims for vitals. Garou regenerates or dodges it.



Olbart being able to function without a limb doesn't take away from the fact that Olbart has one less hand/body part. Hell, Garou could probably rip off his legs if he got Olbart by that area. Can Olbart still perform at his peak with missing body parts? Especially with missing legs or such?
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I don't think Olbart will necessarily be fighting that way. Given his tactics, it'll be more him trying to find a way to get around a close and direct confrontation as much as possible.
 
RinneItachi said:
In a series where the main character, a teenager shut-in, gets taken into another world by someone else's will and endowed with the power to rewind time automatically to a certain point upon his death, is it really, truly, so hard to believe that some characters are just so skilled they can perform such feats?
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Wow, you really din't understood my argument If that's how you interpret my logic.

Like "well, is real life this is not possible, so they should't have done that in Fiction" is not even my point. Even by the context of the scene, It would't be possible for her to do any of that.

There's actually more reasons for this feat not making any sense, but I not gonna derail this thread.
 
Catbowtie said:
Well, knowledgeable members have already established that Olbart will be toying with Garou. If that's the case, I see a lot of the same that happened with Garfield happened here.
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This is not the case and I did not intend to suggest this. Olbart attempted to kill Garfiel before he reached the level of skill necessary to compete with him. It's only because of Roswaal saving him that he survived. Against someone like Garou who is already decently strong and grows faster than Garfiel he would take the fight seriously immediately and kill him. This is especially the case because it was not typical for Olbart to toy with an opponent like he did Garfiel. His usual fighting style is to go for the kill immediately.
 
Catbowtie said:
That is if Garou doesn't arbitrarily decide to bisect Olbart's lower and upper half through LS. Garou would get caught off guard by it since a similar thing happened with Genos.
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yeah, Olbart is NOT letting Garou touch him for even a brief moment
Even garfiel had to try for a while until he got used to Olbarts style and could counter him in anyway (and he needed massive hints and help from Roswaal who completely knew about all of Olbart's tricks)
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His explosives can hurt someone who's 7A? How badly? I see Olbart's profile says this about the bombs
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enough to damage them well, Olbart himself could mistify Louis Arneb who should be roughly as strong as Emilia who basically solo'd 10 of a much stronger Rowans (the 200 calc is of Rowan's strongest attack)
Catbowtie said:
Garou should be able to resist the "fire" part of the bombs. The bomb's "explosion" will undoubtedly affect him, but the ensuing fire wouldn't harm him at all.

Best I can say to that is maybe Garou could develop resistance to it through his Reactive Evolution.

Though Garou could tough it out for a good amount of time if he couldn't.


Gotcha.


Gotcha. Garou could begin to outspeed Olbart using his Statistics Amplification.
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so could garfiel but that did need time which Olbart wouldnt give to Garou
Catbowtie said:
Well, knowledgeable members have already established that Olbart will be toying with Garou. If that's the case, I see a lot of the same that happened with Garfield happened here. Only difference being that Garou should be able to use his Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and his multiple mental abilities to keep himself alive long enough to overpower Olbart.
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as Vortech said above, Olbart's actual fighting style is going for insta kills. He is a ninja, not a warrior. His fighting style is way closer to Assassinations
Catbowtie said:
The "always aims for vitals" part kinda goes without saying. It doesn't seem like there's any substance to saying that. Okay, OLbart aims for vitals. Garou regenerates or dodges it.



Olbart being able to function without a limb doesn't take away from the fact that Olbart has one less hand/body part. Hell, Garou could probably rip off his legs if he got Olbart by that area. Can Olbart still perform at his peak with missing body parts? Especially with missing legs or such?
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he didnt have much problem even after he basically became a nugget so probably not
 
VortechsTG said:
Don't worry. I'm with you on this. Anyone who has read arc 9 especially should understand that this is just how ReZero operates.
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Arc 9 Chapter 12 is somehow worse for RZ powerscaling than even Arc 8's powercreep 💔

VortechsTG said:
This is especially the case because it was not typical for Olbart to toy with an opponent like he did Garfiel.
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He wasn't even really toying, he wanted Garfiel to think he was toying with him to throw him off his game, he was actually getting very annoyed by Garf's vitality. Olbart was just unlucky to fight someone who countered his invis, poison, & had strong regen. Even then he'd have killed Garf if not for Ros-chi.
 
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