Hakumen vs Machina (Redux)

[Primaris_Brian]

Well his relic instant death is probably not gonna be effective to kill Hakumen as he has nigh immunity to instant death.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Just leaving a bump here....

 

[HimikoWerckmeister]

My vote goes to Machina for the fact that even if Hakumen tried to dodge his fists the conceptual erasure/ending effects enable him to bypass distance if the need were to be neccessary.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

He can't just willy nilly punch things like that, his fist isn't Longinuslanze Testament nor is it Muspellheimr Lævatein. Even if he can do that, he'll fundamentally screw up the universe which will screw him over just the same

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

What Fabtastic said, Himiko. Machina's punches in Briah just allow him to punch things and people out of existence if they have a history. They don't allow other such perks like Eleonore's Briah and Rein's Relic. Why do you think the weakness of his punches are being able to simply avoid contact with them on his page for? It's there for a reason.

So try again.

 

[HimikoWerckmeister]

Alright, I change my vote to inconclusive it really depends on who gets their trump card off first.

 

[XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx]

The Blazblue wikia doesn't seem to list it as being used when he's at 100%. It's regarded as his trump card and last resort, as well as telling what drawbacks it has. But not specifically saying that he can only use it in his 100% state.
So i think he can still use it.

He is capable of using it at less than 100%, as for if he's able to use it at 20% is sort of a touchy topic. There's nothing disproving that he could do it, but there's nothing saying that he can't. It could be more that he was saving it for the opportune moment to kill Terumi outside of his vessel.

The reason for it not working on Izanami is because she is the manifestation of death itself, and death has and always will exist so it has no effect on her.

I'm unsure how well Hakumen fairs against Briah. As far as I'm aware it wouldn't be able to affect the Susano'o Unit iself since the Unit has existed for an eternity even before it was there. If he could bypass that and kill Jin within, or get rid of the power of order he could get rid of him for good, but whether or not he's even capable of doing so is something I'm unsure, seeing as the Power of Order is seen as an absolute.

All that being said I'd have to go with Stalemate. I don't really think that Hakumen would go for Time Killer off the bat, so maybe Machina could put him down before that happens, I'm leaning toward Machina, but I'm not entirely sure the nature of his ability. If someone could better explain it, that would be helpful.