Hajime Kashimo vs Takako Uro [2-1-0]

[That_moron2]

1. I was using the Google definition
2. The link you gave literally says "period" and the example given talks about multiple lucky successes in a row, it's essentially the same thing

1. Cool
2. Having a lucky period doesn't inherently imply that he'll need to hit multiple jackpots

 

[MinatoSparkle]

A period is a length of time, not one moment

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Because he wasn't fighting back. Yuji's goal was still to take the attacks as best he could so no, he wasn't lowering his reinforcement

I never argued about reinforcement. If you block + reinforce, you maximize your defense. Yuji clearly wasn’t doing that.

This just means he isn't stronger than Yuta outside of that. Not that he isn't on his level

Prove that Base Hakari has any scaling to Yuta.

Charles admitted that Hakari could knock him out in one shot if he tried and Hakari also blitzed him multiple times. Its pretty clear Charles isn't on Hakari's level

Can you get the statement for the former claim? Hakari got tagged, attacked blindspot, got tagged again, used domain, got tagged and reacted to in domain.

L ragebait

No need to, the narrative is enough.

 

[That_moron2]

I never argued about reinforcement. If you block + reinforce, you maximize your defense. Yuji clearly wasn’t doing that.

Funny thing is is that he didn't guard when Yuta kicked him either

Prove that Base Hakari has any scaling to Yuta.

Already done

Can you get the statement for the former claim?

Here

A period is a length of time, not one moment

So?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So?

If he needs to be lucky over a period of time, that means a single instance of good luck by landing one jackpot is insufficient.

 

[That_moron2]

If he needs to be lucky over a period of time, that means a single instance of good luck by landing one jackpot is insufficient.

Who said anything about needing to be lucky over a period of time? Yuta said if he is lucky over a period of time. That in no way implies he needs to get jackpot multiple times. No amount of weirdly interpreting that phrase is making it logically valid with the actual statement again Yuta says he’s stronger, not “yeah he’s stronger than he me when he’s on a roll after the roll lasted longer than rika’s timer so actually only me in base”

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Who said anything about needing to be lucky over a period of time?

That's literally what I've been explaining this whole time...

Yuta said if he is lucky over a period of time. That in no way implies he needs to get jackpot multiple times. No amount of weirdly interpreting that phrase is making it logically valid with the actual statement again Yuta says he’s stronger, not “yeah he’s stronger than he me when he’s on a roll after the roll lasted longer than rika’s timer so actually only me in base”

Isshiki is stronger than Naruto overall even though Naruto is stronger in Baryon Mode specifically

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Does uro even have particularly high output? Cause if not she's probably getting stunlocked the instant she makes physical contact with kashimo.

She doesn't exclusively spam thin ice breaker, she was engaging yuta in hand to hand.

She doesn't. Thanks for reminding me that. Yeah she getting cooked with this also. She doesn't have resistance for that.

I only recall her attacking with Sky Manipulation based attacks

As I said Sky manipulation can't harm the opponents. She just uses it to block opponents attacks

 

[MinatoSparkle]

She doesn't. Thanks for reminding me that. Yeah she getting cooked with this also. She doesn't have resistance for that.

As I said Sky manipulation can't harm the opponents. She just uses it to block opponents attacks

I checked and yeah she does physically hit Yuta sometimes

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Funny thing is is that he didn't guard when Yuta kicked him either

Yes, because if we read the page, Yuta says “you’re too focused on my katana”, and left himself open to a kick. Willingly choosing to eat blows vs getting hit in your blind spot aren’t the same.

Already done

I already addressed those claims, which you’ve yet to refute.

Here

This does not state what you claimed. The statement is if he didn’t activate his Precog he’d be a goner, not that Hakari was not trying. He even visibly says he could go easy, but Charles would start attacking people, so he goes all out and attempts to tag Charles from his blind spot and gets reacted to and counter tagged.

 

[That_moron2]

Yes, because if we read the page, Yuta says “you’re too focused on my katana”, and left himself open to a kick. Willingly choosing to eat blows vs getting hit in your blind spot aren’t the same.

No but they lead to the same result

I already addressed those claims, which you’ve yet to refute.

Except I literally did refute them and instead of counter arguing you’re pretending that they don’t exist.

This does not state what you claimed. The statement is if he didn’t activate his Precog he’d be a goner

That’s what I said it said.

He even visibly says he could go easy, but Charles would start attacking people, so he goes all out and attempts to tag Charles from his blind spot and gets reacted to and counter tagged.

W straw man. Fighting ghosts

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

No but they lead to the same result

Yeah, if you remove context. Yuji was trying to defend against Yuta, not Hakari, so the feats aren’t equivalent.

Except I literally did refute them and instead of counter arguing you’re pretending that they don’t exist.

Funny, I could say the same thing about you.

That’s what I said it said.

No, it isn’t. You said if Hakari tried he’d one-shot him when the statement in question never says anything about him trying, it says if he didn’t activate Precog he’d be gone.

W straw man. Fighting ghosts

Awesome, since we don’t know what strawman is, I’ll educate you. A strawman is a misrepresentation or watered down form of someone’s argument to address something they never said. The purpose of my post that you quoted is to show that Hakari was trying, yet your argument is that he wasn’t, yet Hakari outright says he isn’t going easy and wants to utterly break him, yet still gets tagged. Learn the fallacies next time.

 

[That_moron2]

Yeah, if you remove context. Yuji was trying to defend against Yuta, not Hakari, so the feats aren’t equivalent.

Yuji wasn't intentionally lowering his reinforcement you can't prove that.

No, it isn’t. You said if Hakari tried he’d one-shot him when the statement in question never says anything about him trying, it says if he didn’t activate Precog he’d be gone.

Did I say it said he didn't try?

Awesome, since we don’t know what strawman is, I’ll educate you. A strawman is a misrepresentation or watered down form of someone’s argument to address something they never said. The purpose of my post that you quoted is to show that Hakari was trying, yet your argument is that he wasn’t, yet Hakari outright says he isn’t going easy and wants to utterly break him, yet still gets tagged. Learn the fallacies next time.

Strawmanning while explaining what a strawman is. W

 

[That_moron2]

Funny, I could say the same thing about you.

Then you'd be lying

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yuji wasn't intentionally lowering his reinforcement you can't prove that.

Crazy you whine incessantly about strawmans while committing one, because that wasn’t my argument. I simply said Yuji was trying to defend himself against Yuta, and not Hakari.

Did I say it said he didn't try?

Yes, your entire argument is literally predicated on “Hakari could one shot if he tried” and yet he was trying, and didn’t do it, and got tagged.

But anyways, continuing with you is pointless since you’re insistent on twisting my arguments.

Voting Uro. Her CT directly counters Kashimo’s fighting style, meaning no charges will be planted to any degree. Kashimo should be marginally faster but still within the same tier, as the narrative suggests that Yuta >~ Hakari, Yuta went ~ in speed to Uro, meanwhile she can consistently neg his durability with TIB, and considering he has less durability than Ryu or Yuta and no RCT, each strike from it should do damage he needs to heal from, but simply can’t. Not to mention Domain, Uro match-up diffs 6/10.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Crazy you whine incessantly about strawmans while committing one, because that wasn’t my argument. I simply said Yuji was trying to defend himself against Yuta, and not Hakari.



Yes, your entire argument is literally predicated on “Hakari could one shot if he tried” and yet he was trying, and didn’t do it, and got tagged.

But anyways, continuing with you is pointless since you’re insistent on twisting my arguments.

Voting Uro. Her CT directly counters Kashimo’s fighting style, meaning no charges will be planted to any degree. Kashimo should be marginally faster but still within the same tier, as the narrative suggests that Yuta >~ Hakari, Yuta went ~ in speed to Uro, meanwhile she can consistently neg his durability with TIB, and considering he has less durability than Ryu or Yuta and no RCT, each strike from it should do damage he needs to heal from, but simply can’t. Not to mention Domain, Uro match-up diffs 6/10.

How do you think she deals with his CE trait?

 

[That_moron2]

Crazy you whine incessantly about strawmans while committing one, because that wasn’t my argument. I simply said Yuji was trying to defend himself against Yuta, and not Hakari.

My bad I misunderstood. That being said, your arg is a nothingburger and I've done no whining. I called you out on bad argumentation and YOU have been the one throwing a fit over it

Yes, your entire argument is literally predicated on “Hakari could one shot if he tried” and yet he was trying, and didn’t do it, and got tagged.

I never said he wasn't trying. I worded it poorly, but that's not what I meant. Hakari never actually punches Charles. He gets tagged because as you said, he wanted to break Charles. He was giving him false hope he could win, while Hakari knew he was going to heal anyway. Its made very clear if you actually read without agenda goggles that Hakari and Charles aren't on the same level and Charles only got that fair because Hakari let him. Regardless, Charles' only scaling is to Hakari so its pointless to bring up because it debunks nothing.

But anyways, continuing with you is pointless since you’re insistent on twisting my arguments.

W concession

Her CT directly counters Kashimo’s fighting style, meaning no charges will be planted to any degree.

Her CT doesn't make her untouchable. Kashimo is accepted as faster, even if by a bit meaning he will be able to land hits at least 3 times. Additionally she gets stun-locked by his CE trait so her CT does not matter

the narrative suggests that Yuta >~ Hakari

The narrative tells us Hakari is >outright stop coping. Being similar in strength overall doesn't necessarily indicate ~stats either

considering he has less durability than Ryu or Yuta

Nearly laughed out loud.

each strike from it should do damage he needs to heal from, but simply can’t.

She's never landing it as she gets stun-locked

Not to mention Domain, Uro match-up diffs 6/10.

Gets negged before she can even think of using Domain.
Kashimo fra

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Nearly laughed out loud.

He is probably less durable than Ryu considering Ryu's more durable than Shinjuku Yuji and DE Shinjuku Yuta

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

She needs to move her hands to bend the sky and defend herself. Since she has no information on the CE trait, I guess she gets hit by it and is stunned for a few seconds. That would make it easy for Kashimo to interact with her. One way or another, she’s getting cooked.

 

[That_moron2]

He is probably less durable than Ryu considering Ryu's more durable than Shinjuku Yuji and DE Shinjuku Yuta

Kashimo outscales both but y'all ain't ready for that

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Mmmmmmmmmmmk

 

[CosmoDark38]

Even if she fought perfectly and out of character to never get hit i dont see how shes avoiding the lightning pole without prior knowledge. So voting kashimo fra.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Holy hell, I didn't expect for this matchup of all matchups to get so heated.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Why you not tallying grr

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Why you not tallying grr

Because I prefer waiting for all the points to be over and done with, otherwise I'll feel biased.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not sure how that's bias? That's kinda just how VS matches work

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Not sure how that's bias? That's kinda just how VS matches work

It just feels a bit scummy to me start counting votes before the debate is actually over.

On top of that I lost track of who's voting for who.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It just feels a bit scummy to me start counting votes before the debate is actually over.

The debate's usually never truly over

On top of that I lost track of who's voting for who.

Fair enough

 

[That_moron2]

On top of that I lost track of who's voting for who.

I'm team Kashigoat, as is Elde
Milky is team groans Uro

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Even if she fought perfectly and out of character to never get hit i dont see how shes avoiding the lightning pole without prior knowledge. So voting kashimo fra.

Flying. There.

Also, what exactly is to stop Uro from simply breaking it? Kashimo doesn’t start with long-distance lightning charge, in fact he’s only ever used it once after meticulously planning for it to be Hakari’s end long after they were apart. Meanwhile, Uro is known to be a defensive fighter and she broke Yuta’s gauntlet the moment she engaged in an actual 1v1. Seems like an improbable wincon.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How do you think she deals with his CE trait?

He doesn’t land any hits. Or, this and forces him back.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He doesn’t land any hits.

Just hitting HIM makes his CE trait affect you

Or, this and forces him back.

In character she goes for physical strikes sometimes

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Just hitting HIM makes his CE trait affect you

Unfortunately, Uro can hit him without hitting him.

In character she goes for physical strikes sometimes

Yeah, sure, but even Gorilla Mode Panda swung on him and wasn’t affected. Uro should definitely be physically superior to that, given she could harm Yuta even without TIB.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Unfortunately, Uro can hit him without hitting him.

Can sure, but not all the time

Yeah, sure, but even Gorilla Mode Panda swung on him and wasn’t affected. Uro should definitely be physically superior to that, given she could harm Yuta even without TIB.

Eh we don't see him move after striking Kashimo so he could've been affected and it just wasn't visually shown. Even JP Hakari was affected to some extent so it doesn't make much sense to say it did nothing to Panda.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Even if it did nothing to Panda you could argue it's due to his whack ass physiology.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well it did shock him when he punched through his stomach

 

[CosmoDark38]

Flying. There.

Also, what exactly is to stop Uro from simply breaking it? Kashimo doesn’t start with long-distance lightning charge, in fact he’s only ever used it once after meticulously planning for it to be Hakari’s end long after they were apart. Meanwhile, Uro is known to be a defensive fighter and she broke Yuta’s gauntlet the moment she engaged in an actual 1v1. Seems like an improbable wincon.

Is there anything indicating that the staff's conductivity comes from its form rather than its materials or continuous usage from kashimo? Cause if not i don't see how breaking it stops that wincon. Similarly if she wants to fly 300 feet in the air sure, but last i checked she's cqc to midrange fighter, with no info on kashimo she likely thinks shes wasting time.

 

[Eclipso]

Lightning God blitzes fra