Hajime Kashimo vs Takako Uro [2-1-0]

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

We did this with Ryu and Yuta so might as well toss Takako on here as well. Both are in-character and the fight takes place where Yuta fought her and Ryu. Should be at least vaguely interesting since Hajime hasn't fought someone who can basically fly before.

Hajime : 2

Takako : 1

Incon :

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Kashimo probably tags her with the help of large objects to occupy her then eventually fries her with lightning

 

[Giannysmag]

Kashimo's RCTless ass when he has to take a single Thin Ice Breaker

 

[That_moron2]

Kashimo blitzes her ass icl

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Uro when Kashimo sends lightning discharge between poles:

 

[Giannysmag]

Kashimo blitzes her ass icl

"Gun to your head, name a feat of Kashimo blitzing a top tier"

"Just empty the mag bro"

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Per accepted site stats, Base Kashimo is marginally faster than Uro

 

[That_moron2]

"Gun to your head, name a feat of Kashimo blitzing a top tier"

Blitzes Base Hakari. Base Hakari is ~Sendai Yuta in speed as he's at least ~CG Yuji. As you know, Uro is ~Sendai Yuta.
Thereby:
Kashimo>Hakari~Yuji~Yuta~Uro
Even if he doesn't blitz he only needs to get three hits before the lightning comes down and she's cooked

 

[Giannysmag]

Per accepted site stats, Base Kashimo is marginally faster than Uro

Fair

Blitzes Base Hakari. Base Hakari is ~Sendai Yuta in speed as he's at least ~CG Yuji. As you know, Uro is ~Sendai Yuta.
Thereby:
Kashimo>Hakari~Yuji~Yuta~Uro

Base Hakari only ever hits CG Yuji when he is either off guard or not trying to fight him and Yuta wasn't going all out against Yuji.

Even if he doesn't blitz he only needs to get three hits before the lightning comes down and she's cooked

Sky Manip hard counters any attempt at CQC, if anything getting that close would put Kashimo at a disadvantage since he'd be in range for TIB

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Blitzes Base Hakari. Base Hakari is ~Sendai Yuta in speed as he's at least ~CG Yuji. As you know, Uro is ~Sendai Yuta.
Thereby:
Kashimo>Hakari~Yuji~Yuta~Uro
Even if he doesn't blitz he only needs to get three hits before the lightning comes down and she's cooked

Yuji isn't accepted as scaling to a serious Yuta, and he doesn't in reality. Yuta is overall superior to Hakari with jackpot taken into account and to Maki who's a blitz tier above CG Yuji (Kept up with a 16F Sukuna that blitzed pre-rage amp Yuji)

 

[That_moron2]

Base Hakari only ever hits CG Yuji when he is either off guard or not trying to fight him

Mmmh. Regardless, if Yuji could actually beat his ass and get him to listen then he would've. Part of why he stopped fighting is that he realized he couldn't.

Yuta wasn't going all out against Yuji.

Prove that

Sky Manip hard counters any attempt at CQC

She blocked ONE hit from Yuta and his glazers treat it like its Infinity. That strat will only work if she was relative with him in speed, which she isn't.

if anything getting that close would put Kashimo at a disadvantage since he'd be in range for TIB

TIB is barely gonna tickle him icl.

Yuji isn't accepted as scaling to a serious Yuta, and he doesn't in reality.

Prove that

Yuta is overall superior to Hakari with jackpot taken into account

No he's not. Maki's singular word, can't be used to discredit the narrator, and Yuta and Hakari themselves. Especially when she has bias since she's very close with Yuta

and to Maki

Unprovable.

who's a blitz tier above CG Yuji (Kept up with a 16F Sukuna that blitzed pre-rage amp Yuji)

This is wildly wrong but its what's accepted so I'll leave it

 

[Giannysmag]

Mmmh.

So he lands a hit on him while Yuji is trying to talk to him and then punches him while he is trapped. How exactly does that contredict what I said?

Regardless, if Yuji could actually beat his ass and get him to listen then he would've. Part of why he stopped fighting is that he realized he couldn't.

Yuji (probably) couldn't beat Hakari but he could dodge him, he even says so

Prove that

Yuji becomes much stronger while fighting Meguna and was still below Maki who FP Yuta is relative to

She blocked ONE hit from Yuta and his glazers treat it like its Infinity.

She completely hard countered Ryu too and was the reason he didn't make a move during the 4 way deadlock

That strat will only work if she was relative with him in speed, which she isn't.

Riiiiiight

TIB is barely gonna tickle him icl.

Be so fr. Yuta needed to heal with RCT every time he got hit by it. That shit is flattening Kashimo

 

[That_moron2]

So he lands a hit on him while Yuji is trying to talk to him

That doesn't mean he wasn't on guard

Yuji (probably) couldn't beat Hakari but he could dodge him, he even says so

Being able to dodge does not debunk relative speed.

Yuji becomes much stronger while fighting Meguna

Prove that

was still below Maki

Prove that

who FP Yuta is relative to

Prove that

Riiiiiight

Its accepted.

Be so fr. Yuta needed to heal with RCT every time he got hit by it. That shit is flattening Kashimo

Kashimo outscales Yuta so badly please be fr. Kashimo is the strongest culling game player by narrative

 

[Giannysmag]

That doesn't mean he wasn't on guard

It literally does. He was trying to talk to Hakari and got slammed by the doors mid speaking

Being able to dodge does not debunk relative speed.

It still means Yuji is overall faster

Prove that

Prove that

Sukuna is impressed by Maki throughout the fight

Yet was completely bored with Yuji

And says that it was wise for Uraume to focus her CE on her

Prove that

Kenny considers Yuta the leader of the heavy hitters and is on the same level Yuki so he should be at least relative to her in terms of stats (obviously Maki is higher because high stats are her thing but he is not gonna be getting blitzed by her)

Its accepted.

They are literally both Supersonic+

Kashimo outscales Yuta so badly please be fr.

Kashimo is the strongest culling game player by narrative

If you wanna go by narrative then Ryu is literally stated to have the highest output out of anyone in the Culling Games and Uro was at least somewhat relative to him and did similair damage to Yuta

 

[That_moron2]

It literally does. He was trying to talk to Hakari and got slammed by the doors mid speaking

Hakari had literally already attacked him. Did he just turn his brain off and assume Hakari wouldn't attack again? You can talk mid-battle.

It still means Yuji is overall faster

No it doesn't.

Sukuna is impressed by Maki throughout the fight

Yet was completely bored with Yuji

Reread the Sukuna and Maki fight and think about Yuji and Sukuna's relationship then get back to me

And says that it was wise for Uraume to focus her CE on her

This means so little, since by feats they're relative. Maybe Maki is a bit stronger?

Kenny considers Yuta the leader of the heavy hitters

This has nothing to do with strength.

and is on the same level Yuki

Yuki is featless

They are literally both Supersonic+

Then what was Minato_Sparkle talking about?

Yuji had lost this amp by the time Maki showed up as he was exhausted and didn't have the spiral eyes.

Kashimo~J.P Hakari>>Base Hakari~Post Sendai Yuta>Sendai Yuta~Uro

If you wanna go by narrative then Ryu is literally stated to have the highest output out of anyone in the Culling Games

Output =/= A.P. It has a connection to it but having higher output doesn't give you higher strength per say. Physical body also plays a role for example. Narratively Kashimo is also >>Ryu but that's neither here nor there

Uro was at least somewhat relative to him and did similair damage to Yuta

Uro's normal attacks were never on the level of Ryu. Only TIB

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Prove that

That it's what's accepted or is what's true?

No he's not.

I said overall, not superior to him specifically when he gets several jackpots in a row. He's stated to be second to Gojo and to be the leader of the Heavy Hitters.

Maki's singular word, can't be used to discredit the narrator, and Yuta and Hakari themselves.

The narrator doesn't actually say it in that last statement, the raws mention that it's said to be as well.
ノッている時は乙骨をも上回るというその実力とは･･･。
When he’s on a roll, his ability is said to even surpass Okkotsu’s…

Especially when she has bias since she's very close with Yuta

Unprovable.

Top of the Heavy Hitters

It still means Yuji is overall faster

Uhhh being able to dodge someone really doesn't mean you're faster. People dodge each other in fights, that doesn't mean they're both faster than each other

Then what was Minato_Sparkle talking about?

This is Kashimo's speed explanation: "Had overwhelmed Hakari in numerously instances and was going hit for hit with him in combat"

This suggests high end relativity. Hakari is rated as comparable to Yuta, and Uro is rated as comparable to Yuta, so the scale by the wiki is Kashimo~>Hakari~Yuta~Uro

 

[Giannysmag]

Hakari had literally already attacked him. Did he just turn his brain off and assume Hakari wouldn't attack again? You can talk mid-battle.

Sure you can talk mid fight but it's gonna distract you to some degree+Hakari's attacks came from a blind spot

No it doesn't.

It does when he only gets hit when off guard or when he is letting it happen

Reread the Sukuna and Maki fight and think about Yuji and Sukuna's relationship then get back to me

This means so little, since by feats they're relative. Maybe Maki is a bit stronger?

Yea they are relative but it shows that even with a major boost CG Yuji is still only barely conparable to the top tiers

This has nothing to do with strength.

Literally why else would he be the leader if not for his strength? It's not like Yuta was the big strategist of the Sukuna raid, basically everyone played a role in planning the raid out

Yuki is featless

Comparable to Kenny who was dancing around piercing blood, which Uraume called fast and only barely blocked, the same Uraume that was keeping up with Hakari.

Then what was Minato_Sparkle talking about?

Do you know what marginally means? By our current profiles Kashimo is a bit faster than Uro but they are both the same tier

Yuji had lost this amp by the time Maki showed up as he was exhausted

How would he be exausted? You think a few surface level slashes are gonna slow down the guy that could fight with his entire liver blown up

and didn't have the spiral eyes.

Frankly I have no idea what the deal with the spiral eyes is, they seem to appear and disappear whenever

Kashimo~J.P Hakari>>Base Hakari~Post Sendai Yuta>Sendai Yuta~Uro

We don't know at what point Gojo punched either of them (I don't think Hakari even did any training during the timeskip) or how hard he punched each of them (iirc they say right before this that he probably wasn't serious so it's possible he wouldn't have been using the same force on both)

Output =/= A.P. It has a connection to it but having higher output doesn't give you higher strength per say. Physical body also plays a role for example.

Have you seen Ryu bro? Mf is jacked, his physical body is absolutely better than Kashimos

Narratively Kashimo is also >>Ryu but that's neither here nor there

Yea yea Kashimo's opponents that where feable as dirt vs Ryu's worthy opponents. Personally I've never subscribed to the idea that Kashimo has some insane narrative at least in base. If anything I would argue Ryu is hyped more by a lot of the narrative.

Uro's normal attacks were never on the level of Ryu. Only TIB

I know, that's what I was talking about. Bith Uro's TIB and Ryu's GB forced Yuta to use RCT and dealt comparable damage

 

[Giannysmag]

Yea they are relative but it shows that even with a major boost CG Yuji is still only barely conparable to the top tiers

To further support Maki>CG Yuji, Yuji was getting blitzed and outpaced by a casual Naoya yet Maki could keep up with an amped up Naoya while injured and even react to his top speed

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Base Hakari is ~Sendai Yuta in speed as he's at least ~CG Yuji. As you know, Uro is ~Sendai Yuta.
Thereby:

Base Hakari has no scaling besides:

A. Yuji, who wasn’t trying to fight
B. Charles

You can’t link Yuta’s speed to him.

Kashimo>Hakari~Yuji~Yuta~Uro
Even if he doesn't blitz he only needs to get three hits before the lightning comes down and she's cooked

This chain has been dismantled.

Yuta > Kashimo, btw.

Also, Uro slams. Kashimo has no way of hitting Uro to plant a charge, meanwhile she can completely bypass his guard and durability with TIB, and Domain to force his hands together and just beat him senseless. Voting Uro.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This isn’t Base, this is JP.

No, it's base, he was trying to kill Hakari in his domain before he could activate jackpot

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

No, it's base, he was trying to kill Hakari in his domain before he could activate jackpot

Yeah, reread, been a minute since I read the manga.

 

[That_moron2]

Sure you can talk mid fight but it's gonna distract you to some degree

Not really. Having your arms up means your on guard

It does when he only gets hit when off guard or when he is letting it happen

Willful ignorance

Yea they are relative but it shows that even with a major boost CG Yuji is still only barely conparable to the top tiers

He didn't have the boost as I established already

Literally why else would he be the leader if not for his strength? It's not like Yuta was the big strategist of the Sukuna raid, basically everyone played a role in planning the raid out

What. Maybe because he's the closest to Gojo? Or maybe because he came up with:
1. The Yujo plan
2. The domain plan
3. The JL plan
4. Sneaking Kenjaku
etc

Comparable to Kenny who was dancing around piercing blood, which Uraume called fast and only barely blocked, the same Uraume that was keeping up with Hakari.

Ah yes, relativity is when she doesn't land any physical hits and gets slammed through multiple buildings

By our current profiles Kashimo is a bit faster than Uro but they are both the same tier

A bit faster is all he needs tbh. Again 3 hits and then its over.

How would he be exausted? You think a few surface level slashes are gonna slow down the guy that could fight with his entire liver blown up

Covered in sweat and breathing heavily

Frankly I have no idea what the deal with the spiral eyes is, they seem to appear and disappear whenever

Nothingburger response. Its clearly used to show he's angry here, as Sukuna notices his eyes and we get two closeups to show they are gone.

We don't know at what point Gojo punched either of them (I don't think Hakari even did any training during the timeskip) or how hard he punched each of them (iirc they say right before this that he probably wasn't serious so it's possible he wouldn't have been using the same force on both)

Alright then, alternative is that Base Hakari>Yuta since his blows did vastly more damage to Yuji

Have you seen Ryu bro? Mf is jacked, his physical body is absolutely better than Kashimos

Having better abs =/= being stronger. Look at body-builders

Yea yea Kashimo's opponents that where feable as dirt

Feeble as dirt to him

Ryu's worthy opponents.

Worthy to him

Personally I've never subscribed to the idea that Kashimo has some insane narrative at least in base. If anything I would argue Ryu is hyped more by a lot of the narrative.

What

I know, that's what I was talking about. Bith Uro's TIB and Ryu's GB forced Yuta to use RCT and dealt comparable damage

Doesn't matter because Kashimo is>>Yuta

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Doesn't matter because Kashimo is>>Yuta

He's rated as somewhat higher but same tier physically

 

[That_moron2]

He's rated as somewhat higher but same tier physically

Even being somewhat higher is good enough. Like I said, 3 hits

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Even being somewhat higher is good enough. Like I said, 3 hits

I have him winning but it's not gonna be easy getting around Sky Manipulation

 

[That_moron2]

I have him winning but it's not gonna be easy getting around Sky Manipulation

Maybe not with what's accepted...

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Speed aside, Kashimo is a better CQC fighter than Yuta.

Uro's Cursed Technique, aside from Thin Ice Breaker, cannot directly harm her opponents—she needs to get close and engage in CQC. I believe Kashimo can place his charges on her when she does that. Additionally, Thin Ice Breaker has consistently been used as a surprise attack throughout the series, so I don't think she can use it directly on her opponents without them being distracted first.

Overall, I'm voting for Kashimo. Uro shouldn't be able to dodge MHS speed Lightning Discharge, and Kashimo can simply use Hollow Wicker Basket to counter her Domain. Moreover, she doesn't have any major moves capable of killing Kashimo in a fight except Think Ice breaker which as I mentioned is not really shown as usable without good distraction.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Alright then, alternative is that Base Hakari>Yuta since his blows did vastly more damage to Yuji

A Yuji who in no way was actively trying to defend himself. Stop trying to chain scale Base Hakari to Yuta when the narrative clearly states that Hakari is only on his level with JP.

 

[That_moron2]

A Yuji who in no way was actively trying to defend himself.

You think he was intentionally taking extra damage?

the narrative clearly states that Hakari is only on his level with JP.

Show me where this is indicated

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

You think he was intentionally taking extra damage?

Uh, yes, actually. This is extremely evident in the fact that he chose not to block with his arms and with his face instead.

Show me where this is indicated

The fact that Yuta specifies “on a roll”, and all the guidebook scans you presented also say on a roll. Meanwhile Base Hakari is getting tagged by Charles, twice, and even in his domain he gets chunked in the stomach.

Yuta > Hakari btw.

 

[CosmoDark38]

Does uro even have particularly high output? Cause if not she's probably getting stunlocked the instant she makes physical contact with kashimo.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Does uro even have particularly high output? Cause if not she's probably getting stunlocked the instant she makes physical contact with kashimo.

Idk if she's making physical contact when she attacks with TIB

 

[CosmoDark38]

Idk if she's making physical contact when she attacks with TIB

She doesn't exclusively spam thin ice breaker, she was engaging yuta in hand to hand.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I only recall her attacking with Sky Manipulation based attacks

 

[That_moron2]

Uh, yes, actually. This is extremely evident in the fact that he chose not to block with his arms and with his face instead.

Because he wasn't fighting back. Yuji's goal was still to take the attacks as best he could so no, he wasn't lowering his reinforcement

The fact that Yuta specifies “on a roll”, and all the guidebook scans you presented also say on a roll.

This just means he isn't stronger than Yuta outside of that. Not that he isn't on his level

Meanwhile Base Hakari is getting tagged by Charles, twice, and even in his domain he gets chunked in the stomach.

Charles admitted that Hakari could knock him out in one shot if he tried and Hakari also blitzed him multiple times. Its pretty clear Charles isn't on Hakari's level

Yuta > Hakari btw.

L ragebait

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This just means he isn't stronger than Yuta outside of that. Not that he isn't on his level

If he's only stronger on a roll, that means he needs multiple jackpots, likely to outlast his Rika time limit, meaning Hakari with one jackpot doesn't beat Yuta

 

[That_moron2]

If he's only stronger on a roll, that means he needs multiple jackpots

No? It just means when he's lucky. I.E when he gets jackpot. Nothing suggests he needs multiple. Additionally, Yuta says "he's stronger than me" not “yeah he’s stronger than me when he’s on a roll after the roll lasted longer than rika’s timer so actually only me in base”

 

[MinatoSparkle]

No? It just means when he's lucky. I.E when he gets jackpot. Nothing suggests he needs multiple. Additionally, Yuta says "he's stronger than me" not “yeah he’s stronger than me when he’s on a roll after the roll lasted longer than rika’s timer so actually only me in base”

On a roll: experiencing a prolonged spell of success or good luck

So no, not just one instance of luck. Hakari vs Kashimo kind of on a roll where he gets several jackpots consecutively

 

[That_moron2]

experiencing a prolonged spell of success or good luck

You added the prolonged

 

[MinatoSparkle]

You added the prolonged

1. I was using the Google definition
2. The link you gave literally says "period" and the example given talks about multiple lucky successes in a row, it's essentially the same thing