HA Dio vs Limbo

[Jimboydejuan12]

im switch voted Limbo FRA.

Limbo has Massive ton of haxes.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Why are we assuming that the operator can even do anything to dio not only has the profile not been updated since focus first came out but everything is unknown

The operator also can't snipe dio from across the galaxy they would have to come somewhat close to him

This is assuming the operator can even come out during the fight which is about as stupid as mercurius coming out and helping 4-A reinhard in his fights

If the operator sends a new limbo somehow dio would definitely notice the connection this time if he didn't at first then it's gg reality override

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Paul Frank False, just recently the profile got a rework.

Again false, the operator can use avatars (which he can summon from anywhere) to possess beings and need i remind you that transferrence (which is the same principle as mind hax and possession though it's used for BP) keeps it's link in literally everywhere throughout the Galaxy, in the rift (another dimension) and the void comes from another dimension either way. Coming somewhat close to him given that avatars literally lack presence (they are energy, sensing them is the same as sensing Ke on someone) AND can go invisible is really REALLY easy counting the fact that DIO has no way of knowing some invisble energy will just snipe him once he's done with Limbo.

False. Reinhard is it's own being, Mercurius is his own, they have nothing to do with each-other besides type 8 immort. Limbo and The Operator are the same being. They are always seen fighting together and NEVER alone. False equvalency

True, but not true at the same time. Yes DIO can notice the link, though another Limbo comming from him has nothing to do with it. It'll just look like some form of duplication and he'll keep RO-ing (assuming he doesn't get insta sniped from an invisible limbo kilometers away). He has never fought anything similar to Limbo and The Operator so you can't argue that as soon as a 2nd Limbo comes out (again assuming he doesn't get 1 shot before he notices) he'll go like "Oh yeah now i get it, these guys are meat puppets for a dude flying in a ship across the galaxy and will never truly die unless i go kill that guy so imma go do just that".

 

[Firephoenixearl]

6 for Limbo. 1 more before grace.

 

[Paul_Frank]

If the operator summons an avatar to dio it's game over because dio with ro the avatar and the onr who made it and dio could definitely sense it and that stoll doesn't answer the question of what I'd the ap ir all says unknown

reinhard is tied to mercurius such that not only does he get stronger while fighting him but if merc dies he dies as well he was specifically made to kill merc

If you want to say it's a false equivalency how about kharn and khorne or lucius and slannessh that's closer and no thr frames aren't the same beings as the operator they are specifically said in lore to be puppets created to harness their power

 

[Ogbunabali]

Operator is still most probably outside help so it shouldn't be used.

But if it isn't how fast does it make clones and how fast can he deploy them to fight Dio?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Operator is still most probably outside help so it shouldn't be used.
But if it isn't how fast does it make clones and how fast can he deploy them to fight Dio?

Again they are the same being, and they are ALWAYS fighting together. That's like treating Slifer's 2nd mouth as outside help. The operator is the "only opponent" though he can fight using robots and avatars. But again stop bringing up this point, even if it is outside help the match can be added. This is not for the strongest per tier thread. But you can make a thread about it if ya want, it not gonna affect this either way.

Avatars are instant, warframe clones take a bit of time. But even spawning a random invis avatar serves it's job to end Dio.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

If the operator summons an avatar to dio it's game over because dio with ro the avatar and the onr who made it and dio could definitely sense it and that stoll doesn't answer the question of what I'd the ap ir all says unknown
reinhard is tied to mercurius such that not only does he get stronger while fighting him but if merc dies he dies as well he was specifically made to kill merc

If you want to say it's a false equivalency how about kharn and khorne or lucius and slannessh that's closer and no thr frames aren't the same beings as the operator they are specifically said in lore to be puppets created to harness their power

No, because DIO cannot sense the avatars nor see them. Also about their AP, yes they are unknown but i believe you missed the "The warframes are a way to restrict their powers" part. They are unknown cus we don't know how high they are, but they are still far higher than the warframes who stomp DIO ap wise. So yes Invisibility 1 shot is still a thing.

Idk what this is trying to say so imma skip it.

Stop with the false equivalency. Kharn and Lucius are different beings from Khorne and Slaanesh, not the same. Kharn is just a dude who is good at fighting that Khorne helps, same for Lucius and slaanesh. Kharn can't just go in mid fight and say "Yo khorne come here and take care of this". While the void avatars are always there with the warframes helping out in the fight.

And "yes" the same being. An object is not a being, it is not alive, they are "puppets" created to restrict the power of the operator. Whenever they fight, it's still the operator just operating through them, they cannot think or move on their own, they are "not" alive, they are vessels for the operator.

None of the cases you mentioned are the same. Cain...different being, kharn, lucius, reihnard etc they are all different beings with their own wills and consciousness. Warframes? No they are vessels for the same being. There are few cases that are similar to this one so please stop bringing up examples they all end up in false equivalency. Though feel free to make a thread if you wish to argue this.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Actually outside help isn't allowed to be used in vs debates on this wiki. And again characters like Cai have been determined to classify as outside help. And "always fighitng together" isn't an argument and it doesn't not make it outside help.

Can you provide scans of this.

 

[DMB_1]

I don't understand how Dio wouldn't be able to see them.

Also, if he can't interact with them, this is a stomp.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I don't understand how Dio wouldn't be able to see them.
Also, if he can't interact with them, this is a stomp.

They can turn invisible.

He can interact with them, they have a better tactical advantage though. So they would kill him before he can realize what's going on.

 

[DMB_1]

Dio can see Stands, who are invisible by themselves.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Dio can see Stands, who are invisible by themselves.

Not the same thing, they are invisible by being abstract, these guys are invisible due to light going through them. The avatars also lack any soul, consciousness, will, etc so it wouldn't be safe to assume he can sense them the same way he senses stands which are someone's fighting spirit.

This reminds me, we need to make a thread about invisibility rework.

 

[DMB_1]

Any type of invisibility makes light go through you, especially if you are non-corporeal.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Any type of invisibility makes light go through you, especially if you are non-corporeal.

Yes, but spirits are not the same, that was my point. Stands are fighting spirits, while the avatars are energy without a spirit or will, they are literal polar opposites, sensing spirits doesn't mean you can see all invisible things.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Actually outside help isn't allowed to be used in vs debates on this wiki. And again characters like Cai have been determined to classify as outside help. And "always fighitng together" isn't an argument and it doesn't not make it outside help.
Can you provide scans of this.

Cain has his own will. Warframes do not. Again Limbo is literally lifeless. The Operator uses void energy to move it as he wishes. Cain was determined outside help because The Presence just comes in and kills people even if Cain doesn't want it. It's literally someone who comes in to help in someone else's fight. While the same cannot be said about the Operator and the warframes cus the warframe acting would be considered outside help (literally, Limbo moves gets disqualified cus of outside help because The Operator is making it do so).

Hmm, i guess? It's literally part of any gameplay you can find. Lemme see.Here i guess. An Operator avatar just coming out of the warframe and going back in. Said avatar can be in invis mode.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

limbo FRA

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Grace.

 

[Abstractions]

The difference between Rift and Material Limbo is just being in and out of the Rift.

Since Limbo starts in the Rift here so his presence is completely masked to DIO.

Limbo uses Stasis and then surprise banishes DIO and given DIO's personal stats, the transition into the Rift might just kill him outright.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes Rift Transition will 1 shot Dio.

And that's kind of overkill considering 2 hours till this gets added, but vote counted.

8-0-0

 

[Genericstickman]

So what can HAD do here?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So what can HAD do here?

TP to the operator and 1 shot him, though he'd have to know where he is and that he even exists first. So that's why Limbo takes this, it's not like Dio can't do anything, more like it's unlikely for him to find out what to do.

 

[Genericstickman]

So the only way for him to win is to kill something that he has no knowledge of whatsoever

and tell me how this isn't a stomp?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So the only way for him to win is to kill something that he has no knowledge of whatsoever
and tell me how this isn't a stomp?

By virtue that the only thing that's stoping him from stomping Limbo is the fact that he doesn't know about the operator. The operator also has no knowledge on DIO, so it's only fair, however the Operator can take this via tactical advantage.

Stomp is when there is a passive or when the other party cannot fight back no matter what. DIO can fight back, it's just a matter of he doesn't know. So no, it doesn't fall under the stomp conditions. Dio has a win condition, he just likely won't go/know how to go for it.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

This can be closed then, Grace ended. Limbo wins.