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Guts vs Wolverine
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From what i read on guts's page, dragonslayer dosen't negate regen
Anyway lets get started
Wolverine:
Adamantium skeleton and retractable claws, Resistance to Telepathy and most known diseases and illnesses, skilled Martial artist, can enter into a Berserker Rage where he attacks randomly on instinct and is even more resistant to telepathy, can duel Death for the right to return to his body when he is killed, weather adaptation, Regenerationn (Usually Low-Mid, Mid-High showings exist), Immortality (Types 1 and 3)
His Adamantium skeleton can presumably withstand Solar System level power
Intelligence: Wolverine is considered the top covert ops agent in the world, mastery of dozens of different martial arts styles. Intimate knowledge of pressure points and human anatomy, Decades of combat experience against all types of international and intergalactic opponents, acute combat reflexes, with a expert knowledge of dozens of languages and world cultures.
Guts:
Intelligence: Guts is an infamously skilled swordsman, being able to take on most apostles and humans with his casual swings alone thanks to the enormous heft of the Dragon Slayer. Guts is an able thinker and a pragmatic fighter, a fact he proves by solving problems with his wits when brute force doesn't work, such as when he used an enemy as bait by disguising them with his cloak, played dead to get close enough to fire a point-blank Hand Canno, and adapting to exceedingly unfavorable situations. Contrary to popular belief Guts is quite clever, as shown when he uses his scientific knowledge. Such as utilizing Dragon Slayer against lightning and puncturing the Sea Gods stomach to take advantage of the difference in air pressure in order to get vacuumed within another part of it's body.
Can attack the Soul Enhanced Physical Stats, Pain Tolerance and Night Vision via the Berserker Armor, Resistance to Possession
Verdict:
Wolverine can come back from the died if guts kills using his dragon slayer
Wolverine can tank anything guts throws at him and even more due to his regen,immortailty, and SS level admaintum skeleton
Wolverine has more experince then guts and is smarter
guts can attack wolverines soul
......yeah it's pretty clear who wins here. Wolverine 5/10
Anyway lets get started
Wolverine:
Adamantium skeleton and retractable claws, Resistance to Telepathy and most known diseases and illnesses, skilled Martial artist, can enter into a Berserker Rage where he attacks randomly on instinct and is even more resistant to telepathy, can duel Death for the right to return to his body when he is killed, weather adaptation, Regenerationn (Usually Low-Mid, Mid-High showings exist), Immortality (Types 1 and 3)
His Adamantium skeleton can presumably withstand Solar System level power
Intelligence: Wolverine is considered the top covert ops agent in the world, mastery of dozens of different martial arts styles. Intimate knowledge of pressure points and human anatomy, Decades of combat experience against all types of international and intergalactic opponents, acute combat reflexes, with a expert knowledge of dozens of languages and world cultures.
Guts:
Intelligence: Guts is an infamously skilled swordsman, being able to take on most apostles and humans with his casual swings alone thanks to the enormous heft of the Dragon Slayer. Guts is an able thinker and a pragmatic fighter, a fact he proves by solving problems with his wits when brute force doesn't work, such as when he used an enemy as bait by disguising them with his cloak, played dead to get close enough to fire a point-blank Hand Canno, and adapting to exceedingly unfavorable situations. Contrary to popular belief Guts is quite clever, as shown when he uses his scientific knowledge. Such as utilizing Dragon Slayer against lightning and puncturing the Sea Gods stomach to take advantage of the difference in air pressure in order to get vacuumed within another part of it's body.
Can attack the Soul Enhanced Physical Stats, Pain Tolerance and Night Vision via the Berserker Armor, Resistance to Possession
Verdict:
Wolverine can come back from the died if guts kills using his dragon slayer
Wolverine can tank anything guts throws at him and even more due to his regen,immortailty, and SS level admaintum skeleton
Wolverine has more experince then guts and is smarter
guts can attack wolverines soul
......yeah it's pretty clear who wins here. Wolverine 5/10
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If Wolverine's soul is destroyed he won't be able to come back right?
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he could just fight the devil for his life/soul again.....
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If Wolverine dies does his soul leaves his body or....
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But that's a drawPeter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
It's 50-50.
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I don't think this point has been stated much, but the Dragon Slayer does actually negate Regenerationn as a result of it's ability to target/attack the astral body. One example is that Slan's physical apparition had her torso blown apart by Guts' hand cannon, in a few panels after she's shown to be perfectly fine. But when Guts attacks her with the Dragon Slayer, the damage seems permenant; in Guts' case (when he recieved an astral wound) he's yet to truly recover from it.
I doubt that Wolverine is going to fare very well against unconventional means of damage towards his body, Guts could simply hack through the fleshy parts of his body and leave him utterly vulnearable. Perhaps even finish him off by shoving a minature bomb straight through his eye socket and having it detonate within his brain.
Wolverine having more combat smarts than Guts is a statement I disagree with, sure the former has statements saying he has fought in many battles (more so than Guts) but the latter has actual feats that places him in another league. I'll cite my respect thread and the profile page for the following feats: "Allows himself to be hit agai, but he uses his hand canno to manipulate his trajectory in such a way which would allow Guts to attack the disciple which was above ground. & "puncturing the Sea Gods stomach to take advantage of the difference in air pressure in order to get vacuumed within another part of it's body." When has Wolverine displayed this level of strategic fighting within his comic books?
I don't really know how to take the "can duel Death to regain access to his body" stuff, it sounds like something that doesnt seem very compatible for vs debates. Similar to stuff like Kratos escaping from Hades; Asura getting out from the afterlife, and in either case. Wolverine has to lose the fight for him to reach that point anyways.
I doubt that Wolverine is going to fare very well against unconventional means of damage towards his body, Guts could simply hack through the fleshy parts of his body and leave him utterly vulnearable. Perhaps even finish him off by shoving a minature bomb straight through his eye socket and having it detonate within his brain.
Wolverine having more combat smarts than Guts is a statement I disagree with, sure the former has statements saying he has fought in many battles (more so than Guts) but the latter has actual feats that places him in another league. I'll cite my respect thread and the profile page for the following feats: "Allows himself to be hit agai, but he uses his hand canno to manipulate his trajectory in such a way which would allow Guts to attack the disciple which was above ground. & "puncturing the Sea Gods stomach to take advantage of the difference in air pressure in order to get vacuumed within another part of it's body." When has Wolverine displayed this level of strategic fighting within his comic books?
I don't really know how to take the "can duel Death to regain access to his body" stuff, it sounds like something that doesnt seem very compatible for vs debates. Similar to stuff like Kratos escaping from Hades; Asura getting out from the afterlife, and in either case. Wolverine has to lose the fight for him to reach that point anyways.
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But that's a draw It's 50-50.
I meant 6/10
It's 50-50.I meant 6/10
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Things are getting interesting, bump.
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Wolverine has superior healing, durability and experience. As long as he can hold onto his soul from the Dragonslayer for enough time (a likely assumption, he will eventually die, it'll take time, however), he should be able to bring down Guts.
Wolverine: 7/10
Wolverine: 7/10
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90% of Wolverine's experience comes from WW1, WW2 and the Vietman war, which kinda pales to a guy who constantly fights giant monsters that heavily outclass him.
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While that is fair, remember that Guts, while more experienced in fighting large, single opponents, hasn't fought as many humanoid opponents as Wolverine.The Legendary Carmine said:
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When he fought these humanoids... how many times did he have the odds stacked against him?
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Fighting on equal footing still gives experience. Wolverine also has fought beings that outclassed him in several regards (Iron Man, The Hulk, other mutant members of the X-Men, Apocolypse, the list goes on.), and survived.The Legendary Carmine said:
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But ultimately lost most of the time?
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Either won or survived. The fact that Wolverine can ENDURE attacks by these entities shows he's tough enough to outlast Guts.The Legendary Carmine said:
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I'll just leave this here. Which shows him that he's a pretty capable tactician and strategist as his brain fuctions like a highly advanced computer and his tactical prowess were often comparable to Captain America and Cyclops.
An insight on how his battle mentality and tactical mind operates like for example, being able to exploit an opening or weakness in a opponent's guard even while he's dealing with multiple assailants at once
Comes prepared by planting a large amount of C4s around the parking lot of the bar upon detonating it it successfully wiped out an army of biker gangs that were waiting for him to step outside
Plans and perfectly times a strike on the tightly guarded Japanese Prime Minister's motorcade
Was able to elaborate a complex plan to capture his son ( http://orig09.deviantart.net/b215/f/2016/113/2/c/rwegkvx_by_grinderkiller1-d9zxn5j.png )
Times his stealth tactic perfectly when Vanisher shows up in a empty room, Wolverine emerges from the shadows and stabs him before he had the chance to teleport away for safety Uses himself as bait to lure a Hydra death cult into a trap
Comes up with a simple pla so his enemies expose themselves and the he strikes
Uses sneak attacks, traps, and cunning to pick off highly trained Weapon X soldiers. These soldiers were designed with similar powers, including heightened senses
An insight on how his battle mentality and tactical mind operates like for example, being able to exploit an opening or weakness in a opponent's guard even while he's dealing with multiple assailants at once
Comes prepared by planting a large amount of C4s around the parking lot of the bar upon detonating it it successfully wiped out an army of biker gangs that were waiting for him to step outside
Plans and perfectly times a strike on the tightly guarded Japanese Prime Minister's motorcade
Was able to elaborate a complex plan to capture his son ( http://orig09.deviantart.net/b215/f/2016/113/2/c/rwegkvx_by_grinderkiller1-d9zxn5j.png )
Times his stealth tactic perfectly when Vanisher shows up in a empty room, Wolverine emerges from the shadows and stabs him before he had the chance to teleport away for safety Uses himself as bait to lure a Hydra death cult into a trap
Comes up with a simple pla so his enemies expose themselves and the he strikes
Uses sneak attacks, traps, and cunning to pick off highly trained Weapon X soldiers. These soldiers were designed with similar powers, including heightened senses
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Surviving still counts as losing, and yes he can outlast him, unless his soul is destroyed before that happens.
To me it really comes down to who's the most skilled fighter.
To me it really comes down to who's the most skilled fighter.
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Surviving counts as surviving, which means that, even if outskilled, Wolverine has the capacity to endure more than Guts. Again, Wolverine has more experience fighting single, humanoid opponents, which is the experience that matters here.The Legendary Carmine said:
Wolverine has a disadvantage at range, but is capable and experienced in closing the gap, and there's not much Guts can do to stop him.
Finally, Wolverine's striking power is slightly greater than Guts's durability. Guts will eventually bleed out and get cut down piecemeal. All Guts has is his capacity to attack the soul, and I sincerely doubt it would instantly kill Wolverine.
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If Wolverine knows that he can't just continuously hack and slash his way through, he'll start applying pressure point fighting and more calcuated and precise claw strikes.
https://imgur.com/eO5JSvM : Pressure points
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CiOyt3gjv...0/Hero-Envy-Captain-America-vs-Wolverine3.jpg : Using calculated to strikes to rend Captain America's shield almost unuseable
https://imgur.com/eO5JSvM : Pressure points
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CiOyt3gjv...0/Hero-Envy-Captain-America-vs-Wolverine3.jpg : Using calculated to strikes to rend Captain America's shield almost unuseable
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Guts having astral attacks makes it impossible for me to vote Wolvie here, it is true that Wolverine has fought different kinds of opponents, but the sheer adaptability of Guts is also a point to be brought up. In many situations, Guts has come out on top against more unconventional opponents.
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If Guts doesn't have the Berserker Armour I can see Wolverine taking this 7-8/10. This is just because Wolverine and Guts are pretty even in stats at base, with Wolverine being massively more durable, though Guts has very solid durability himself. What really tips it in Wolverine's favour in my opinion is the fact that he can heal off most damage, and his claws would slice through Guts easily. I am not sure if it would cut through the Dragonslayer however since it seems to be magical to an extent. Additionally, Wolverine can enter the Berserker Rage which gives him a stat boost.
However, if Guts does have the Berserker Armour I would give it to Guts 6-7/10. He is way faster, and significantly stronger now, so I can see him evading most of Wolverine's blows and being able to eventually over tax his healing factor.
However, if Guts does have the Berserker Armour I would give it to Guts 6-7/10. He is way faster, and significantly stronger now, so I can see him evading most of Wolverine's blows and being able to eventually over tax his healing factor.
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