Gran Torino vs Vajra Wyzen

[TheRustyOne]

A matchup no one saw coming. I doubt this will get much attention.

For obvious reasons, Gongen Wyzen is restricted.

Gran Torino's Stats.

• Attack Potency/Durability: Downscales from 18.65 Teratons of TNT.
• Speed: 62.27% SoL.
• Lifting Strength: Downscales from 165,963,555,342,544 Metric Tons.

Vajra Wyzen.

• Attack Potency/Durability: Upscales from 16 Teratons on TNT.
• Speed: 50.84% SoL.
• Lifting Strength: Upscales from 958,204 Metric Tons.

Location is the same barren wasteland where Wyzen fought Asura. Wyzen does not have outside assistance here as he did against Asura.

Starting Distance = 100 m

Who wins? (I couldn't find a transparent render for Vajra Wyzen)

Gran Torino: (0)

Vajra Wyzen: (0)

Inconclusive: (0)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I always like a fight between two uncommonly used characters


Anyways following

 

[TheRustyOne]

Bump.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Alright, since everybody wants to be boring, I'll try to analyze both of em

Ap? As far as values go gran torinos is technically higher by a little bit but he downscales from that value while wyzen upscales from his so I think wyzen has an AP advantage, however I don't think it'll be that severe (still an important factor though)

Speed? GT is a bit faster (I feel like he should have a speed scaling chain but whatever) The gap is seemingly negligible though.

LS? GT and it's not even close

Skill? Based on profiles you'd think wyzen scales to asura but ig not. GT seems to take skill as well

X factors: Both seem to fight the same way however wryzen has his missiles, his arm which he can apparently try and use as a shield and soul absorbtion which looks really deadly (depends on how much he uses this tbf) while GT has his significantly smaller size

Conclusion: I think gran torino high diffs, wryzens soul absorbtion from what it looks like needs him to fly into the sky and hold his arm out for a bit, I dont think GT will give him the chance to do this. I also think GTs small size and better skill will make it difficult for wryzen to actually hit him and utilize his AP advantage especially since wryzen is slightly slower which helps as well. Ultimately I see GT pinning him down with class P physicals and just incaping him from there

 

[TheRustyOne]

Vajra Wyzen is over 100 meters tall, so I don't think Gran Torino can pin him due to that size difference.

However, that should also make Gran Torino harder to catch for Wyzen, as the former is faster than the latter.

Also, Wyzen has never extracted anyone's soul. A Gohma did, but Wyzen stopped it before it could eat the souls and absorbed them himself.

We've never seen him extract anyone's soul to my knowledge. I don't believe it's a factor here.

I do believe Wyzen would be overall stronger here, but not by a massive degree.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Vajra Wyzen is over 100 meters tall, so I don't think Gran Torino can pin him due to that size difference.

Why not? all he has to do is maybe tackle him from the back and pin him

Does wyzen weigh more than his LS? (fat ahh character)

Also, Wyzen has never extracted anyone's soul. A Gohma did, but Wyzen stopped it before it could eat the souls and absorbed them himself.

We've never seen him extract anyone's soul to my knowledge. I don't believe it's a factor here.

In that case I see GTs wincons as even easier then

I do believe Wyzen would be overall stronger here, but not by a massive degree.

I agree with you there

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I think Wyzen takes this through sheer attrition.
Torino is still a normal fleshy human with limited stamina. Damage and injuries are going to stack up fast and Torino's combat capability will keep going down drastically, making him easier to take out.

While Wyzen has metallic mantra enhanced inorganic cyborg physiology. And can amp himself with even more mantra and replenish himself. And has considerable AP advantage.
Along with elastic body and equivalent agility to Torino, so he can keep up easily. He can always keep track of Torino's small figure with his enhanced senses. Has homing projectiles on top.

Gran Torino just loses the war of attrition.

Also that soul hax is not useless. Torino doesn't even have baseline resistance. Meanwhile soul farming is Wyzen's job to make himself and his allies stronger. Something he has been doing for 12,000 years. No reason to assume randomly it's combat inapplicable. Even if he is does not extract and absorb Torino's soul, Torino himself will experience severe debilitating effect if his soul gets tugged on. Drastically reducing his combat capability. Torino is just another normal human physiologically similar to the humans soul he regularly farms in his verse. Torino doesn't even have any soul adjacent supernatural resistance like life force resistance or mental resistance to make a case for him.
And Torino's perspective Wyzen is just a large obnoxious robot. He has zero experience or exposure to assume or detect Wyzen has supernatural/mystical powers. Let alone soul hax. He has no way to prevent soul hax when it can be done so easily.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Why not? all he has to do is maybe tackle him from the back and pin him

He literally cannot. He's too big. Do you not know how pinning works?

Gran Torino cannot make himself heavier to keep Wyzen on the ground, and he cannot hold his arms against his back or whatever.

Wyzen can always hit Gran Torino off of him.

Also that soul hax is not useless.

Wyzen is never shown extracting a soul from a living human.

Wyzen interrupted a Gohma that had extracted the souls of dead humans, and absorbed the souls that were already flying towards the Gohma.

Unless you can show that Wyzen can indeed just absorb a soul right out of a living human's body?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Wyzen is never shown extracting a soul from a living human.

Wyzen interrupted a Gohma that had extracted the souls of dead humans, and absorbed the souls that were already flying towards the Gohma.

Unless you can show that Wyzen can indeed just absorb a soul right out of a living human's body?

Meanwhile soul farming is Wyzen's job to make himself and his allies stronger. Something he has been doing for 12,000 years. No reason to assume randomly it's combat inapplicable.

Even if he is does not extract and absorb Torino's soul, Torino himself will experience severe debilitating effect if his soul gets tugged on. Drastically reducing his combat capability.

You are just taking one instance and extrapolating it to assume limits. A limit that would prevent him from contributing to the objective of collecting power for their super weapon in space orbit. Narratively these deities are depicted as just corrupt version of Gohma, hunting and exploiting the humans for their benefits under guise of protecting them. Wolves in shepard dog's costume eating the sheep just like the actual wolves.
Maybe there is direct graphical evidence of soul hax I may have to look, maybe there isn't in which case i was suffering mandela effect. But it doesn't really matter, physical body being alive or dead isn't going to award any resistance to human to prevent their souls being pulled on.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

"....how willingly they part with their souls to please their gods.."

 

[TheRustyOne]

There is a massive difference from absorbing souls that are already outside the body, and extracting souls from people.

There are many characters on the wiki, like Naruto in Kyubi Chakra Mode, who can physically interact with souls, but cannot extract them from a person's body.

Wyzen has only shown to absorb already extracted souls. You would need to provide proof that he can extract the souls of mortals by himself.

That's how the wiki works. We do not assume abilities because we think it makes sense.

There is a difference between dead and living people. A dead person's soul is free, while a living person's soul is tied to their bodies.

However, let's ignore that part as it's personal speculation. Sergei's method is clear extraction. However, the range is questionable.

I'll concede on that for the proof you've provided. This means the match up is a stomp as upon first contact, Gran Torino loses his soul.

I shall request this match to be closed.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Sergei's method is clear extraction. However, the range is questionable.

He did that for entire city few seconds after this, and deities would scale above Gohma anyways who did do it contactless. But I digress.

I'll concede on that for the proof you've provided. This means the match up is a stomp as upon first contact, Gran Torino loses his soul.

it's not passive, the act is still conscious, So Torino is not one shot immediately. I just think this is a mid diff win for Wyzen, but you can ask others.

 

[TheRustyOne]

it's not passive, the act is still conscious, So Torino is not one shot immediately. I just think this is a mid diff win for Wyzen, but you can ask others.

It doesn't matter it's not passive. I never implied it was.

You must provide a reason why Wyzen wouldn't instantly remove the soul of a mortal when confronted. There is no method of Gran Torino winning. His soul gets extracted because that's what Wyzen and the Seven Deities want. SBA also has him in character, but willing to win. He's fighting a mortal, so he's going to extract his soul.

That's not mid difficulty. Even if we assume Wyzen waits until after he gets hit once and realizes Gran Torino is strong enough to hurt him, there's no reason why he won't absorb his soul at that point either, and Gran Torino has zero counters for it.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Fair enough