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(GRACE) Jiraiya VS Deidara

Very interesting because both fighters have unique styles compared to the rest of the cast. Jiraiya is definitely more versatile but deidaras spamming/Zoning and potential to use c4 makes me think he can possibly win this
 
Honestly don’t see Jiraiya winning this.

Sasuke had a lot of advantages against Deidara that Jiraiya doesn’t. Can’t even see how he gets close tbh. Between his traps on the ground, bombs in the air, outranging Jiraiya, and being the more strategic fighter… Can’t see Jiraiya winning comfortably.

I’ll hold off on actually voting, but I’m heavily leaning towards Deidara.
 
Honestly don’t see Jiraiya winning this.

Sasuke had a lot of advantages against Deidara that Jiraiya doesn’t. Can’t even see how he gets close tbh. Between his traps on the ground, bombs in the air, outranging Jiraiya, and being the more strategic fighter… Can’t see Jiraiya winning comfortably.

I’ll hold off on actually voting, but I’m heavily leaning towards Deidara.
Jiraiya can easily sense traps with sage mode
Jiraiya can defend himself from deidaras attack but deiadara cant defend himself from frog genjutsu
 
Question: Is Jiraiya with Ma and Pa to do his Sage Mode?
He can summon them.

I think the problem here is Jiraiya probably wouldn't start summoning right away without knowing the enemy; he'd likely start with Gamabunta to buy some time.

Furthermore, the transformation into SM isn't only time-consuming but also requires Jiraiya to keep his hands stuck together the whole time.
 
my first instinct was to vote for Deidara but I think I'll vote for Jiraiya here. Thanks to Gamabunta he has a lot of options fighting from range, and also bringing the fight to close quarters if it suits him better to. Deidara's bombs can be countered with long range water jutsu from Gamabunta, and with the other big toads, Deidara isn't just fighting a 1v1, I think Jiraiya wins this more times than not but it's a very close battle
 
Deidara fly up

Deidara drop bomb

Bigass frog with shield blocks

Bigass frog do bigass jump

Bigass frog splatter Deidara like a fly

Jiraya FRA

✍️ 🔥
Ah, yes.. Deidara just going to sit there floating while watching a giant frog jump at him… A frog that has far less mobility than himself in the air.. add on top of Deidara being the more strategic fighter, and that makes this scenario incredibly unlikely.
 
Jiraiya can easily sense traps with sage mode
Jiraiya can defend himself from deidaras attack but deiadara cant defend himself from frog genjutsu
Sage mode is incredibly limited for Jiraiya, he can in no way use it like Naruto or even Minato does; even with Ma and Pa.

Deidara’s defense is flight, being more mobilie, more strategic, and outraging. That’s his defense against literally everyone. That’s how he fought Gaara, Kakashi, and Sasuke.

Seriously; I have no idea how you guys can look at the hell Gaara had to go through (While in the desert, mind you) just to land one good hit on Deidara, and say Jiraiya could reliably tag him even once.
And Gaara is someone who’s skillset was more equipped to deal with Deidara because he could match his range.
 
Ah, yes.. Deidara just going to sit there floating while watching a giant frog jump at him… A frog that has far less mobility than himself in the air..
"Ah yes" because Jiraya is just going to be standing still watching Deidara spawn, mount, and fly away on a bigass dragon while twiddling his thumbs. Especially being the faster of the 2.
add on top of Deidara being the more strategic fighter, and that makes this scenario incredibly unlikely.
Oh yeah, Deidara the inventor of strategies like "throw bombs at the mfer" and "blow yourself up". Compared to that level of BIQ Jiraya might as well be a neanderthal.
 
"Ah yes" because Jiraya is just going to be standing still watching Deidara spawn, mount, and fly away on a bigass dragon while twiddling his thumbs. Especially being the faster of the 2.
They start 50m away. How is he gonna stop him from flying off as soon as the fight starts? Some fire release technique?
Oh yeah, Deidara the inventor of strategies like "throw bombs at the mfer" and "blow yourself up". Compared to that level of BIQ Jiraya might as well be a neanderthal.
He literally beat Gaara just because of strategy. Baited him into attacking him, put tiny bombs in his sand and continued fighting until he git the opportunity to use those bombs. He literally won early to halfway through due to that one strategic move. Not to mention his IQ masterclass against Sasuke where he had him surrounded on all sides and it was clear the only reason Sasuke could maneuver such a web of traps is because of the sharingan.

Sage mode may do some heavy lifting with sensing, but given its limited effects and duration I don’t think it’s saving Jiraiya here at all. It’s not even something he can use as soon as the fight starts, anyway.
 
They start 50m away. How is he gonna stop him from flying off as soon as the fight starts? Some fire release technique?
Jiraya has a huge amount of long range abilities so really pick your poison. Oil to bind him, fire attacks to damage him, hair to bind him, dark Swamp to trap him, etc.

He could straight up just shunshin towards him and summon the rock toads stomach around them. Meaning he doesn't even need to reach him to cut off his flight and limit his options.

Jirayas bag is so massive there's no way Deidara even gets to go up. And even if he does go up, he'll get jumped by 3 toads that can jump hundreds of meters into the air. Or enormous fire release jutsu. Konan who should by all means have better mobility got stomped like 10 seconds into the fight despite flying above Jiraya.
He literally beat Gaara just because of strategy. Baited him into attacking him, put tiny bombs in his sand and continued fighting until he git the opportunity to use those bombs.
Pretty sure there aren't any innocent villagers to attack. Same way I didn't bring up Jirayas stealth, these are situational advantages that don't apply here.
Not to mention his IQ masterclass against Sasuke where he had him surrounded on all sides and it was clear the only reason Sasuke could maneuver such a web of traps is because of the sharingan.
Traps set up by Tobi? I really don't think those are applicable here lol.

Especially with Jiraya. The second he notices a bomb in the ground he's terraforming the battlefield with the swamp jutsu.
Sage mode may do some heavy lifting with sensing, but given its limited effects and duration I don’t think it’s saving Jiraiya here at all. It’s not even something he can use as soon as the fight starts, anyway.
SM isn't even going to make an appearance. Jiraya genuinely manhandles Deidara 10 seconds into the fight.
 
Bro has barrier jutsu 😭🙏🏻 has enough range attacks to completely desolve or screw away the bombs and has at least 3 sumooning that can Cook Deidara s ass with ease
Damn
Voting Jiraiya Via Davids reasoning
 
Jiraya has a huge amount of long range abilities so really pick your poison. Oil to bind him, fire attacks to damage him, hair to bind him, dark Swamp to trap him, etc.
I’m saying as a first move. Deidara’s first move is to always get distance, Jiraiya’s first move is not to trap people.
He could straight up just shunshin towards him and summon the rock toads stomach around them. Meaning he doesn't even need to reach him to cut off his flight and limit his options.
There’s no evidence he could pull that off, especially against someone like Deidara in open space, never happened.
Jirayas bag is so massive there's no way Deidara even gets to go up. And even if he does go up, he'll get jumped by 3 toads that can jump hundreds of meters into the air.
Maybe if you ignore how Deidara and Jiraiya actually fight in-character. Deidara might start with a bomb or something tomfeel out Jiraiya, then he’ll immediately fly. Jiraiya’s never done that off the bat.
Pretty sure there aren't any innocent villagers to attack. Same way I didn't bring up Jirayas stealth, these are situational advantages that don't apply here.
That was part of his strategy to get Gaara to use the bomb infused sand as a shield and blow him up, but he didn’t need that.
Traps set up by Tobi? I really don't think those are applicable here lol.
He set up traps without Toby’s help. Im not talking about the underground mines; I’m talking about the bombs in Gaara’s sand. His bombs don’t need to be underground, he can hide them and launch a surprise attack literally anywhere.

Hell, what exactly stops Deidara from just blowing the toads up using bombs too small for them to notice or do anything against? He can literally spam them, and Jiraiya can’t disable them like Sasuke can.

Hell, I agree Deidara is weaker than Jiraiya in general terms, I just think the matchup is bad for Jiraiya.
 
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I’m saying as a first move. Deidara’s first move is to always get distance, Jiraiya’s first move is not to trap people.
Deidaras first move against Sasuke was to fly face foray towards Sasuke while throwing bombs, then to throw more bombs from where he's standing twice. He only opened up more distance after realizing Sasuke is too fast for him (who's still slower than Jiraya btw)

Jirayas opening move against Itachi and Kisame was trapping them.
There’s no evidence he could pull that off, especially against someone like Deidara in open space, never happened.
Sasuke who's slower literally did exactly that and Deidara only barely dodged and then got almost blitzed again. Mind you Sasuke wanted him alive for questioning.

Speaking of evidence, there's no evidence Deidara could fly out of Jirayas range before he gets murked either so if you want to play the "there's no evidence" game Deidara is still getting beaten up.
Maybe if you ignore how Deidara and Jiraiya actually fight in-character.
Very ironic.
Deidara might start with a bomb or something tomfeel out Jiraiya, then he’ll immediately fly. Jiraiya’s never done that off the bat.
Deidara only started flying away from Sasuke when he realized he's too slow to fight him up close.

Jirayas opening moves in-character were:
Frog stomach against Kisame.
Dark swamp against Orochimaru.
Toad oil + hair bind against Konan.
Hair bind against Pain.
Summoning jutsu against any other summon.

Literally every option I mentioned was one of Jiraya's opening moves in at least 1 encounter while what you're mentioning for Deidara has not been an opening move in his only 1 real fight.
That was part of his strategy to get Gaara to use the bomb infused sand as a shield and blow him up, but he didn’t need that.

He set up traps without Toby’s help. Im not talking about the underground mines; I’m talking about the bombs in Gaara’s sand. His bombs don’t need to be underground, he can hide them and launch a surprise attack literally anywhere.
Except Gaara's moveset specifically uses the same objects for offense and defense. That's not going to work against Jiraya who just snipes the bombs out with long range jutsu . Only way it could work is if he got them in Jiraya's hair and detonated them
Hell, what exactly stops Deidara from just blowing the toads up using bombs too small for them to notice or do anything against? He can literally spam them, and Jiraiya can’t disable them like Sasuke can.
What exactly implies he could? Bunta took water bullets from Shukaku and walked while Deidaras sneak attack bombs got no-sold by Sasuke multiple times.

It took a massive bomb from C2 to even rip off Sasukes wing. Normal bombs aren't even going to tickle.
Hell, I agree Deidara is weaker than Jiraiya in general terms, I just think the matchup is bad for Jiraiya.
The match up is bad for Jiraiya if Jiraya acts like a moron and tries spamming rasengans while Deidara camps in the air. But in any realistic situation Jiraya ends the fight in literal seconds.
 
He can summon them.

I think the problem here is Jiraiya probably wouldn't start summoning right away without knowing the enemy; he'd likely start with Gamabunta to buy some time.

Furthermore, the transformation into SM isn't only time-consuming but also requires Jiraiya to keep his hands stuck together the whole time.
Yeah, that's exactly how i pictured it

If he started with them accompanying him i'd say his win ratio is 75%+, but without them i believe it's circa 60%
 
highkey all it takes is one bomb to just straight up kill Jiraiya. It's unfortunate that the scaling is outdated but Deidara's weakest bombs are able to incapacitate Bijuus. as the scaling is right now though Jiraiya probably takes it more times than not
 
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