(GRACE) Izuku Midoriya vs Taiyo Yozakura (MHA vs MYF) (0-7-0)

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Couldn't Deku predict that Taiyo would do this?

He "could" thing is, Deku in this key's prediction is only able to predict people decently faster than him. While Taiyo even in his first key when he was much worse at doing at using Stepping on Flowers. Against enemies on par with Taiyo's speed, its basically just a blitz, except Blooming Taiyo already is slightly faster. Deku would see Taiyo taking a step, now he's behind him. Also Taiyo has his own precog and can enhance his perception speed, so he would notice Deku trying to dodge or block things preemptively and can just change course.

And Deku's durability would mean that he isn't getting damaged by Taiyo's Amaterasu, unless it can jump up hundreds of kilotons with it's Even Higher rating. In this key, Deku usually starts with Blackwhip to capture or restrain Taiyo since, well, Standard Battle Assumptions means that Deku thinks Taiyo is a villain. Blooming Taiyo's Lifting Strength is 190890.23 Tons of Force while Deku's is 1498.10 Tons. Taiyo pretty easily rips off Blackwhip and Deku realizes that Taiyo is most likely way stronger than him. Deku'll go for immediate 15% and try again. Obviously, they're going to be moving and punching each other. Taiyo would get a good idea that Deku can't bench him, though he can punch really hard. But...wouldn't Deku genuinely one shot Taiyo with one punch?

He would because it’s a sword slash and his signature method of attack is his Blade Yae. Taiyo is really good at punching and kicking but this will be fist vs Blade for the most part. With pierce damage being a lot more effective than punches, so an Amaterasu slash punches above its weight. (As his punches in Blooming without the Blade are already High 7-C)
Deku can't one shot cause the AP gap is not large enough only way would be a head shot or something of the sort. Which is possible, but hard for Deku to land given Taiyo's powerset and him having more ways to amp speed. Taiyo will be extremely cautious of Deku’s power after the first hits he takes as well unless Deku’s first hit KO’s him which is unlikely, so he’d be more on guard.

We consider one shots on any point of the body as 8x or above in versus threads. While Deku is scaling to above 3.48x stronger in 15% (So the strength gap is extremely notable but not fatal) while Taiyo is only in Blooming. Taiyo also has his hardening giving him a higher rating for durability. Spring Blooming closes the gap to 2.55x compared to 15%. In addition Taiyo has low mid regen. So even if we say a kick from 15% Deku would damage an internal organ of his he'd heal and has the stamina to bear that kind of pain.

In addition, as stated in his justifications on Taiyo’s profile, he can use his true spring blooming to knockout 158 kiloton opponents in 1-2 hits. So Spring Blooming can make the gap to 15% much less drastic

 

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He "could" thing is, Deku in this key's prediction is only able to predict people decently faster than him. While Taiyo even in his first key when he was much worse at doing at using Stepping on Flowers. Against enemies on par with Taiyo's speed, its basically just a blitz, except Blooming Taiyo already is slightly faster. Deku would see Taiyo taking a step, now he's behind him. Also Taiyo has his own precog and can enhance his perception speed, so he would notice Deku trying to dodge or block things preemptively and can just change course.

Stepping on flowers's technique is detailed as follows:

• Stepping on flowers - The Hinagiku way of moving, a soft walking motion that absorbs all sound and resistance (being as silent as a flower petal falling to the ground), allowing the user to make delicate, swift movements so fast that enemies can't even see them. Although, until the silver rank exam, Taiyo's use of the technique was a simple imitation as it strains his body.

How In-Character is it for Taiyo to use Stepping on Flowers, and how often does he use or start with it? You did say that Taiyo would analyze Deku. How likely would Taiyo get hit by Deku in this period of analyzation?

He would because it’s a sword slash and his signature method of attack is his Blade Yae. Taiyo is really good at punching and kicking but this will be fist vs Blade for the most part. With pierce damage being a lot more effective than punches, so an Amaterasu slash punches above its weight. (As his punches in Blooming without the Blade are already High 7-C)

Gotcha.

Deku can't one shot cause the AP gap is not large enough only way would be a head shot or something of the sort. Which is possible, but hard for Deku to land given Taiyo's powerset and him having more ways to amp speed. Taiyo will be extremely cautious of Deku’s power after the first hits he takes as well unless Deku’s first hit KO’s him which is unlikely, so he’d be more on guard.

Deku doesn't immediately go with amplifications. He would start with Blackwhip to restrain Taiyo. Of course, it would fail, so he'd amplify himself and try again, which he would fail again. What is Taiyo doing within these sequence of events? Deku after failing Blackwhip twice would go to analyze and fight Taiyo bare-knuckle style.

We consider one shots on any point of the body as 8x or above in versus threads. While Deku is scaling to above 3.48x stronger in 15% (So the strength gap is extremely notable but not fatal) while Taiyo is only in Blooming. Taiyo also has his hardening giving him a higher rating for durability. Spring Blooming closes the gap to 2.55x compared to 15%. In addition Taiyo has low mid regen. So even if we say a kick from 15% Deku would damage an internal organ of his he'd heal and has the stamina to bear that kind of pain.

In addition, as stated in his justifications on Taiyo’s profile, he can use his true spring blooming to knockout 158 kiloton opponents in 1-2 hits. So Spring Blooming can make the gap to 15% much less drastic

Gotcha



How likely is Taiyo to talk, if at all? The only real thing Deku can do here is use his Social Influencing. Deku does talk to his opponents, but it'd be things like "Who are you" "Who do you work for? All For One?" etc, etc. Unless Taiyo is obviously pure evil (Which the Adult key doesn't look like he is), Deku would be talking and fighting him.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

How In-Character is it for Taiyo to use Stepping on Flowers, and how often does he use or start with it? You did say that Taiyo would analyze Deku. How likely would Taiyo get hit by Deku in this period of analyzation?

In character Taiyo will start fights with Stepping on Flowers in these two scenarios.
He either believes he can one shot the enemy based on current information he already knows or he knows the enemy is a ranged fighter so he’s trying to get close to grab and quickly subdue them. Here he wouldn’t start with it cause he doesn’t know all Deku can do.
Outside of fight starters he does use it occasionally in fights. He doesn’t use it back to back, he’d rather keep Deku’s guard as low as possible regarding the move. Then just use it at random. If it doesnt work he’d hold off on it for a while longer before trying again.

Getting hit in his period of Analyzation is likely given Taiyo has his hardening he’d be pretty willing to blocking the first few hits he receives instead of outright dodging. Which is when he’d realize or believe Deku hits way harder than him and consider his options. Him getting hit clean is unlikely though, since he has his Extrasensory perception and his Instinctive action and would be intentionally fighting defensively.

Deku doesn't immediately go with amplifications. He would start with Blackwhip to restrain Taiyo. Of course, it would fail, so he'd amplify himself and try again, which he would fail again. What is Taiyo doing within these sequence of events? Deku after failing Blackwhip twice would go to analyze and fight Taiyo bare-knuckle style.

In this event Taiyo would assume that Deku is weak in the lifting department and would eliminate the possibility of Deku’s Blackwhip being a threat as a move.
He’d start considering if Deku has any other powers or skills that he’d try using. Cause for Taiyo if he can no sell from an opponent yet they’re still willing to challenge him then they must have options. Given a lot of the criminal underworld is scared of Taiyo. (Cause Deku’s a smart and kind looking kid, he’s not gonna think he’s a stupid grunt.)
Once he sees Deku trying to rush him after failing twice he’d use his Blade to try slashing him to start the close quarters fight. Taiyo may be slightly less worried if he notices Deku only trying to dodge the slashes instead of trying to catch it. Since a stun method he uses is letting opponents catch his blade strike then it zaps them. So he’d know Deku doesn’t wanna get tagged by electricity.

Smaller note, Taiyo noticing he’s got way better LS than Deku will make him more likely to opt for things like grapples and tackles in this fight, since he doesn’t need Spring Blooming to beat 15% Deku in the lifting department

How likely is Taiyo to talk, if at all? The only real thing Deku can do here is use his Social Influencing. Deku does talk to his opponents, but it'd be things like "Who are you" "Who do you work for? All For One?" etc, etc. Unless Taiyo is obviously pure evil (Which the Adult key doesn't look like he is), Deku would be talking and fighting him.

Quite unlikely. Taiyo is a spy, if he notices Deku knows nothing on his background or whatever else he’d prefer to keep it that way. So answers like who do you work for would be met with blunt half answers while Taiyo is trying to focus on the actual battle.
Even against an enemy he thought was around 14 (in his Adult key) Taiyo was mostly just mildly annoyed by his constant talking and making moral declarations while Taiyo said a couple of words back at best.
Also yeah, Taiyo wouldn’t come across as pure evil to Deku though, he’s a family man and he’s in general quite kind, although he doesn’t let kindness ever be a detriment for him in a fight.

 

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I don't think there's anything Deku could reasonably do here to win. Deku's only "hits" are Taiyo willfully blocking them with the help of Hardening. The Attack Potency difference doesn't mean anything because Deku is getting blitzed by Taiyo as soon as Taiyo feels the need to. Deku's only win condition, which is knocking Taiyo out, simply won't happen because of the two aforementioned points. I looked at the Common Examples of a Decisive/Non-Stomp match again and none of it's examples fit here

• Deku only has one method winning that cannot be reliably obtained. Taiyo has more than one that can be reliably and easily obtained
  
  
• Deku cannot overcome Taiyo's Low-Mid Regeneration (Healing from lost limbs, limited brain damage, and traditionally fatal wounds [Disembowelment, horizontal bisection, and etc])
  
  
• Deku has no abilities that would allow him to win despite Taiyo's numerous advantages

If Deku could reasonably use Social Influencing Taiyo, then I wouldn't mind Taiyo whipping Deku to hell and back with his physical abilities. If Deku had one winning method that he uses In-Character, then that would be okay. Everything Deku does is ultimately futile. If Deku does get hits in that aren't blocked by Taiyo, then they're regenerated. If Deku gets a hit in to Taiyo's head (which has been argued to not happen because of Taiyo's various predictive abilities) it wouldn't knock him out. It even sounds like Taiyo immediately blitzes and incapacitates Deku because Taiyo would deduce that his Lifting Strength is way above Deku's and the only thing Deku can do is punch him.


So yea, doesn't seem like there's anything Deku could do.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I don't think there's anything Deku could reasonably do here to win. Deku's only "hits" are Taiyo willfully blocking them with the help of Hardening. The Attack Potency difference doesn't mean anything because Deku is getting blitzed by Taiyo as soon as Taiyo feels the need to. Deku's only win condition, which is knocking Taiyo out, simply won't happen because of the two aforementioned points. I looked at the Common Examples of a Decisive/Non-Stomp match again and none of it's examples fit here

• Deku only has one method winning that cannot be reliably obtained. Taiyo has more than one that can be reliably and easily obtained
  
  
• Deku cannot overcome Taiyo's Low-Mid Regeneration (Healing from lost limbs, limited brain damage, and traditionally fatal wounds [Disembowelment, horizontal bisection, and etc])
  
  
• Deku has no abilities that would allow him to win despite Taiyo's numerous advantages

If Deku could reasonably use Social Influencing Taiyo, then I wouldn't mind Taiyo whipping Deku to hell and back with his physical abilities. If Deku had one winning method that he uses In-Character, then that would be okay. Everything Deku does is ultimately futile. If Deku does get hits in that aren't blocked by Taiyo, then they're regenerated. If Deku gets a hit in to Taiyo's head (which has been argued to not happen because of Taiyo's various predictive abilities) it wouldn't knock him out. It even sounds like Taiyo immediately blitzes and incapacitates Deku because Taiyo would deduce that his Lifting Strength is way above Deku's and the only thing Deku can do is punch him.


So yea, doesn't seem like there's anything Deku could do.

Yeah thats fair

 

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If it means anything, I think Taiyo and Garou would make for a good matchup.