- 69
- 3
I'm going to post translations from the manga by Herms from Kanzenshuu.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15488
First off.According to the Daizenshuu, Goten is every bit as powerful as Gohan was during the Buu Saga (prior to Gohan's power-up through Rou Kaioushin).
From Daizenshuu 2:
A gifted child who mastered Super Saiyan at a young age. By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten possesses a battle power not the least bit inferior to even Goha. On top of being able to unleash a startling amount of power in even his normal state, he can easily transform into a Super Saiyan. Furthermore, he merges with Trunks through a technique known as Fusion.
Additionally, Gohan's dialogue about the boys, after his first sparring match with Goten, proves that he believes they could overtake him quickly at the rate they're going.
Goten: "But you really are amazing, big brother! I couldn't even hit you once."
Gohan: "You're very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn't known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you'll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!"
Goten: "Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!"
Gohan: "Really!? That's how you guys have been playing?...thinking If I'm not careful, I'll be outstripped…by these little squirts…"
Then, take into account Trunks and Vegeta's little skirmish. Vegeta has Trunks attack him to test out his speed and strength, promising to take him to an amusement park after should he land a blow.
[1] [2]
As you can see, even as a Super Saiya-jin, Vegeta is clearly having a difficult time in blocking and evading Trunks' blows, especially given his expression on the first panel of the second page. This would suggest that Trunks wasn't far off from his father at all strength wise. Additionally, despite being a reactionary blow out of anger, Vegeta's punch on Trunks only managed to give him a bloody nose that he managed to bounce back from rather easily, which again suggests not much of a gap strength wise.
Lastly, there's Trunks and Goten's performance against #18 in the Budoukai as they masqueraded as Mighty Mask. A weakened, intentionally held back ki blast from Trunks, after #18 had identified that she knew who they were, was still powerful enough to cause her to panic over how overwhelmingly powerful the blast was.
Trunks: "Either way, we're at a disadvantage in this getup, so we've got no choice but to settle this with a kiai cannon!"
Goten: "Eh! But will she be alright?..."
Trunks: "Don't worry, she won't die if we do it appropriately. She's No.18…"
No.18: "…I see…Super Saiyan, huh?...I finally know your identity, boys…"
Goten: "Don't do it at full force!"
Trunks: "I know, I know!"
No.18: "Yo-you've got to be kidding…That energy bullet had absolutely incredible speed and destructive power…Co-could it be that those squirts have outrageous power?…This is dangerous! I've got to settle this fight soon!"
To end the fight quickly, she resorted to firing a ki-enzan at them to slice the suit in half, which suggests in turn that it, a technique that could have killed the boys if they didn't happen to move just the right way, was her only means of ending the fight.
And most imprtantly.When Majin Vegeta died,Piccolo states that Goten and Trunks are there only hope,implying that the kids are above him.
Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: "These two are our only hope…! Th-though it's a faint hope…"
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned
So should Goten and Trunks be upgraded to Large Star Level ? or at least Star Level ?.They are above Piccolo after all.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15488
First off.According to the Daizenshuu, Goten is every bit as powerful as Gohan was during the Buu Saga (prior to Gohan's power-up through Rou Kaioushin).
From Daizenshuu 2:
A gifted child who mastered Super Saiyan at a young age. By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten possesses a battle power not the least bit inferior to even Goha. On top of being able to unleash a startling amount of power in even his normal state, he can easily transform into a Super Saiyan. Furthermore, he merges with Trunks through a technique known as Fusion.
Additionally, Gohan's dialogue about the boys, after his first sparring match with Goten, proves that he believes they could overtake him quickly at the rate they're going.
Goten: "But you really are amazing, big brother! I couldn't even hit you once."
Gohan: "You're very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn't known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you'll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!"
Goten: "Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!"
Gohan: "Really!? That's how you guys have been playing?...thinking If I'm not careful, I'll be outstripped…by these little squirts…"
Then, take into account Trunks and Vegeta's little skirmish. Vegeta has Trunks attack him to test out his speed and strength, promising to take him to an amusement park after should he land a blow.
[1] [2]
As you can see, even as a Super Saiya-jin, Vegeta is clearly having a difficult time in blocking and evading Trunks' blows, especially given his expression on the first panel of the second page. This would suggest that Trunks wasn't far off from his father at all strength wise. Additionally, despite being a reactionary blow out of anger, Vegeta's punch on Trunks only managed to give him a bloody nose that he managed to bounce back from rather easily, which again suggests not much of a gap strength wise.
Lastly, there's Trunks and Goten's performance against #18 in the Budoukai as they masqueraded as Mighty Mask. A weakened, intentionally held back ki blast from Trunks, after #18 had identified that she knew who they were, was still powerful enough to cause her to panic over how overwhelmingly powerful the blast was.
Trunks: "Either way, we're at a disadvantage in this getup, so we've got no choice but to settle this with a kiai cannon!"
Goten: "Eh! But will she be alright?..."
Trunks: "Don't worry, she won't die if we do it appropriately. She's No.18…"
No.18: "…I see…Super Saiyan, huh?...I finally know your identity, boys…"
Goten: "Don't do it at full force!"
Trunks: "I know, I know!"
No.18: "Yo-you've got to be kidding…That energy bullet had absolutely incredible speed and destructive power…Co-could it be that those squirts have outrageous power?…This is dangerous! I've got to settle this fight soon!"
To end the fight quickly, she resorted to firing a ki-enzan at them to slice the suit in half, which suggests in turn that it, a technique that could have killed the boys if they didn't happen to move just the right way, was her only means of ending the fight.
And most imprtantly.When Majin Vegeta died,Piccolo states that Goten and Trunks are there only hope,implying that the kids are above him.
Chapter: 468 (DBZ 274), P12.7
Piccolo: "These two are our only hope…! Th-though it's a faint hope…"
Note: this is before Fusion is mentioned
So should Goten and Trunks be upgraded to Large Star Level ? or at least Star Level ?.They are above Piccolo after all.
