Goten and Trunks gets out of Baseline

[Vizer04]

This is what we know about Gotenks' power:

Gotenks' Attack Potency: At least Large Star level (Much stronger than both Son Goten and Trunks), Solar System level as a Super Saiyan (Was stated and implied several different times to have power surpassing that of Innocent Buu, which was ultimately confirmed by the narrator. He is even stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku) | Solar System level (His base form alone was greatly implied to have surpassed his previous Super Saiyan form.

We know that Base Gotenks (Post-RoSaT) is stronger than his previous Super Saiyan form. By this logic, Goten and Trunks' base forms should also surpass their previous Super Saiyan forms, and they should be 50x times stronger in Super Saiyan:

SSJ Goten/Trunks (Pre-RoSaT) = 760 Tenatons = Base Goten/Trunks (Post-RoSaT)

SSJ Goten/Trunks (Post RoSaT) = 760 Tenatons x 50 = 1.58992 Foe

So, i suggest we create an additional key for both after their training in the RoSaT. It should be like this:

Goten's Attack Potency: Large Star level (His power made Gohan worry about being surpassed by him and Trunks, whom heavily suppressed ki blast scared Android 18. Before the fusion was brought up Piccolo stated that him and Trunks are Earth's last hope, then they became stronger after training in the Hyperbolic Time chamber) | At least Large Star level after training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (His base form surpassed his previous Super Saiyan form), Large Star level+ as a Super Saiyan.

Trunks' Attack Potency: Large Star level (Was initially stronger than Goten, who's power made Gohan worry about being surpassed by him. During the Tournament, his heavily suppressed ki blast scared Android 18 and before the fusion was brought up Piccolo stated that him and Goten are Earth's last hope, then they became stronger and comparable after training in the Hyperbolic Time chamber) | At least Large Star level after training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (His base form surpassed his previous Super Saiyan form), Large Star level+ as a Super Saiyan.

EDIT: thank you @Gilad_Hyperstar for helping with the calculations :3

EDIT 2: here's the blog for this CRT

 

[DaReaperMan]

I agree

 

[RisingIons]

same.

 

[Ganasto]

Is there anyway for me to see how high into high 4-C goten and trunks are

 

[Vizer04]

Is there anyway for me to see how high into high 4-C goten and trunks are

Comparable to Gohan.

 

[Ganasto]

Comparable to Gohan.

Yeah but how high is that because the 50x multiplier might not be enough for solar

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah but how high is that because the 50x multiplier might not be enough for solar

Solar comes from a calculated feat I believe

 

[Ganasto]

Solar comes from a calculated feat I believe

What feat? I thought everyone was solar just off of Super Perfect Cell's statement

 

[DaReaperMan]

What feat? I thought everyone was solar just off of Super Perfect Cell's statement

Which is actually calculated

 

[Ganasto]

Which is actually calculated

Oh ok thanks

 

[Vizer04]

So... does anyone disagree with this?

 

[SirAlex09]

Agree!

 

[Vizer04]

Agree!

LMAOOOOO

 

[Nierre]

Agreed

 

[Tarang123]

Interesting...I agree...but we need some more staff input

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I agree with scaling their base forms to above their SSJ pre training, but they would only be higher into large star level with SSJ, how did you get solar system level? They do not scale above SSJ2 Gohan nor does the SSJ multiplier boost them to solar system level.

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

SSJ Goten and Trunks should scale to 50 times above their Post-RoSAT Base forms

Base Goten/Trunks (Pre-RoSAT) = 760 Tenatons = 3.17984e+42 joules

SSJ Goten/Trunks =< Post RoSAT Base Goten/Trunks = 50 * 760 Tenatons = 1.58992e+44 joules = 1.58992 Foe

SSJ Goten/Trunks (Post-RoSAT) = 50 * 1.58992e+44 = 7.9496e+45 joules = 79.496 Foe

Guess like they are 4-B with SSJ, but they apperantly would scale below Super Perfect Cell due to him being 1.053 KiloFoe

 

[Armerish]

SSJ Goten and Trunks should scale to 50 times above their Post-RoSAT Base forms

Base Goten/Trunks (Pre-RoSAT) = 760 Tenatons = 3.17984e+42 joules

SSJ Goten/Trunks =< Post RoSAT Base Goten/Trunks = 50 * 760 Tenatons = 1.58992e+44 joules = 1.58992 Foe

SSJ Goten/Trunks (Post-RoSAT) = 50 * 1.58992e+44 = 7.9496e+45 joules = 79.496 Foe

Guess like they are 4-B with SSJ, but they apperantly would scale below Super Perfect Cell due to him being 1.053 KiloFoe

Wait following that scale they will be 4-B?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yeah, though they won't scale to Super Perfect Cell

 

[Vizer04]

Well, it seems consistent.

 

[Armerish]

Yeah, though they won't scale to Super Perfect Cell

Well, it seems consistent.

I just wait this doesn't affect the Hercules thread.

 

[Vizer04]

I just wait this doesn't affect the Hercules thread.

Oh you can bet on it.

 

[RisingIons]

SSJ Goten and Trunks should scale to 50 times above their Post-RoSAT Base forms

Base Goten/Trunks (Pre-RoSAT) = 760 Tenatons = 3.17984e+42 joules

SSJ Goten/Trunks =< Post RoSAT Base Goten/Trunks = 50 * 760 Tenatons = 1.58992e+44 joules = 1.58992 Foe

SSJ Goten/Trunks (Post-RoSAT) = 50 * 1.58992e+44 = 7.9496e+45 joules = 79.496 Foe

Guess like they are 4-B with SSJ, but they apperantly would scale below Super Perfect Cell due to him being 1.053 KiloFoe

Looks good to me

 

[sanicspood]

cant wait for akm to passively close this thread with one response without waiting for other arguements

 

[Vizer04]

cant wait for akm to passively close this thread with one response without waiting for other arguements

Happened to the speed one because multipliers...

 

[Nullflowerblush]

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I agree.

 

[StekFence]

Agree

 

[Armerish]

Happened to the speed one because multipliers...

souvenirs from vietnam

 

[Armerish]

Anyway I agree too.

 

[GuildZero]

I agree

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Pfizer man you gottq bump your posts, this should've concluded and added 6 years ago.

 

[Vizer04]

Pfizer man you gottq bump your posts, this should've concluded and added 6 years ago.

I don't know how to add.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I don't know how to add.

Just gotta get a bunch of staff to agree, then edut the changes.

 

[Starter_Pack]

This seems fine.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Wait, just to be clear, do we scale Base Goten/Trunks to Baseline High 4-C or SSJ Goten/Trunks?

I know we scale those who trained in the time chamber to Baseline High 4-C, but I'm not sure if it applies to Base or SSJ for the saiyans (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, Future and Present Trunks)

 

[Vizer04]

Wait, just to be clear, do we scale Base Goten/Trunks to Baseline High 4-C or SSJ Goten/Trunks?

I know we scale those who trained in the time chamber to Baseline High 4-C, but I'm not sure if it applies to Base or SSJ for the saiyans (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, Future and Present Trunks)

I'm pretty sure it applies only to their Super Saiyan forms.

 

[Antvasima]

@Dominodalek @Vietthai96 @DarkDragonMedeus @AKM sama

What do you think about this?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I'm pretty sure it applies only to their Super Saiyan forms.

If so, then the scaling would be different

SSJ Goten/Trunks = 760 Tenatons = Post RoSAT Base Goten/Trunks

SSJ Goten/Trunks (Post RoSAT) = 1.58992 Foe