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[ShadowWarrior1999]

None of this is above 2-B.

 

[Asdsaaaaaadasdq]

None of this is above 2-B.

lol

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

"lol"

10/10 argument there.

 

[The_Causality]

To be fair:

"None of this is above 2-B" isn't an argument neither.

But eh, dunno about the whole stuff so i'll stay in stand-by

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Use the code from this image to help you.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

To be fair:
"None of this is above 2-B" isn't an argument neither.

But eh, dunno about the whole stuff so i'll stay in stand-by

I would've put a more elaborate response if this hasn't been rejected many times before and nothing new is being brought up.

 

[AwkguyDB]

"None of this is above 2-B"

https://pm1.narvii.com/7165/c0853c3f032a0e72c2b28162e535ffe1f163163dr1-619-408v2_hq.jpg

Oh look a 2-A statement.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It literally says "countless" which is 2-B.

 

[AwkguyDB]

It literally says "countless" which is 2-B.

It literally also says History is not "Finite."

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And? That just means history doesn't have an end to it, not that there's infinite timelines.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Countless simply means too many to count a number can be infinite and be countless. Synonyms for Countless include

• innumerable,
• innumerous,
• myriad,
• numberless,
• uncountable,
• uncounted,
• unnumbered,
• untold

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah, which is why it's 2-B because countless =/= infinite.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

hmm what about speed?

 

[Livinmeme]

oh this gona be pretty good

 

[JooCipher]

this again?

 

[Akreious]

Yeah, which is why it's 2-B because countless =/= infinite.

Countless can be both infinite and any large finite number is the point they're trying to make. Just because Fuu has the word "Countless" alongside "Infinite" wouldn't make Infinite any less valid.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Problem is there's no infinite timelines statement that would justify 2-A. If there was one then I would agree with you.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Countless still has an end, its just a really big number to be able to count it (its what qualifies for 2-B)

Infinite has no end and its what qualifies for 2-A

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

The English translation is wrong

The Spanish translation says infinite events, not countless. The japanese version also says infinite, iirc.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

I agree with 2-A and Infinite/Immeasurable

Nothing higher.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I only agree with at least 2-B possibly 2-A (something being non finite is finite?). Also the speed stuff I'll have to look into again, I do know there are statements of transcending time.

 

[Tyri456]

i don't see any clear statements that qualify them for 2A

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

We still have for Zenkaibattery1 for the translation.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

There are no infinite/immeasurable speed feats.

 

[PowerToScale]

Wouldn't someone who transcends space and time have at least infinite speed at least. And anyone who is able to fight them also be granted at least infinite speed?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

No. "Transcending" heavily depends on context. If it just means going outside the space-time continuum, no.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

The English translation is wrong
The Spanish translation says infinite events, not countless. The japanese version also says infinite, iirc.

 

[Epsilon_R]

@Zenkai give us a link or something

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I lost the Japanese one but here's the Spanish one

https://i.imgur.com/NkE3iL0h.jpg

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

If you can find the Japanese version and it legitimately translates to infinite, then I will be fine with 2-A.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I agree with Shadow that the best thing to do is to find the RAW scans and have them translated by someone who knows japanese and see if it says infinite.

 

[Greenshifter]

And? That just means history doesn't have an end to it, not that there's infinite timelines.

Doesn't this mean that there is no end of time then and since Dragon Ball keeps expanding (or is there no statement that the timelines don't stop branching out at one point in time and is that necessary?), at the theoretical end of time (which does not exist) there are infinite timelines?

 

[AwkguyDB]

I lost the Japanese one but here's the Spanish one
https://i.imgur.com/NkE3iL0h.jpg

So all we need is the Japanese scan of Fu's statement correct?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And? That just means history doesn't have an end to it, not that there's infinite timelines.

Doesn't this mean that there is no end of time then and since Dragon Ball keeps expanding (or is there no statement that the timelines don't stop branching out at one point in time and is that necessary?), at the theoretical end of time (which does not exist) there are infinite timelines?

That means expanding forever but it will never truly reach an infinite size.

 

[Greenshifter]

@Shadow, here's the thing though, first off you can also say that about time itself never truly being infinitely long, despite someone destroying all timelines and thus all of time.

Secondly I don't think there is a clear distinction on the wiki between verses where time is finite (DC has an end of time for instance and thus would only be 2B in Post-Crisis IIRC) and where time is infinite (Dragon Ball), despite the latter being infinitely superior to the former since if you multiply Post Crisis DC's number of timelines at their end of time by anything finite, I can give you a certain amount of time after the Big Bang in Dragon Ball where there would be more timelines in Dragon Ball than in DC*n (where n stands for any natural number) and this for all natural (even real) numbers.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

DC is outright stated to have infinite universes.

 

[Greenshifter]

Pre-Crisis probably, Post-Crisis not sure cause we got expanding timelines with Hypertime and all.

But all right let's use the real world as an example then. Replace every time I wrote DC with real world and voila (and sure we don't know if there is a multiverse IRL and all but assuming it is and we're using many-worlds interpretation just to be clear).

Point is still there is no distinction between finite amount of time and infinite amount of time, while there should be one.

 

[VegetoSSJ3]

Tbf, many other verses have been found to create a new timeline caused by a character messing with time, even though tjere was already an estiblished infinite timelines in the multiverse. So, I don't see how creating one or more timelines debunks the whole infinite universes in Dragon Ball Heroes/Xenoverse. The Spanish and Japanese translation does confirm that the cosmology is 2-A.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

If Xeno Goku get's 2-A then how strong Heroes Zeno be ?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

At least 2-A.