Goku VS Superman (Again) (0-8-0)

[Accelerated_Evolution]

• Both are 5-C
• Speed is equalized
• Goku´s and Superman´s profiles

ERB winner:

DEATH BATTLE! winner: @Accelerated_Evolution @Ednaxel2 @CryoTheMayo @Fezzih_007 @Padaruyos @Robo432343 @MeidoIzayoi @AnAverageUsername (8)

Incon:

 

[StarShooter80]

Superman scales to 90.13 Exatons while Goku scales to 29.6 Exatons, the gap is over 3x

Goku doesn't have any notable abilities he could use so voting Superman

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Superman scales to 90.13 Exatons while Goku scales to 29.6 Exatons, the gap is over 3x

Goku doesn't have any notable abilities he could use so voting Superman

Couldn´t this also be said for Superman?

Also, the gap between they ins´t really a important factor, since it is very small

 

[StarShooter80]

Couldn´t this also be said for Superman?

Also, the gap between they ins´t really a important factor, since it is very small

3x is enough for Superman to take the advantage of AP, what win cons does Goku have

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

3x is enough for Superman to take the advantage of AP

Yes, but ins´t a really decisive factor

What win cons does Goku have

He can attack Superman pressure points and use his Stealth mastery and Status Effect Inducement

 

[Robo432343]

maybe goku can use his accelerated development n stuff to close the 3x advantage
but that sh*ts gonna hurt a LOT

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Superman scales to 90.13 Exatons while Goku scales to 29.6 Exatons, the gap is over 3x

Goku doesn't have any notable abilities he could use so voting Superman

Scaling chain is:
Saiyan Saga Goku (VS Raditz) > Goku (Piccolo Jr fight) > Piccolo Jr >> Kami > Goku (King Piccolo) > King Piccolo >> Roshi = 29.6 Exatons

Stack that scaling chain on top of Goku's Damage Boost via the Kamehameha or charged blasts and I can see his AP surpassing Superman's durability. We don't have an accepted figure for it (Pretty sure) but the Kamehameha does increase Goku's power level by over 2x when used. If you take that alone his Kamehameha's AP would be over double his normal AP.

But yeah, defensively I don't see what Goku can do. There is also the little problem where I'm pretty sure Goku is vulnerable to Superman's Heat Vision and Freeze Breath. He has some resistance to harsh temperatures but it's nothing compared to feats like Heat Vision nearing the temperature of the Sun's core or Freeze Breath instantly freezing things solid.

Not seeing how Goku wins so far.

 

[StarShooter80]

but the Kamehameha does increase Goku's power level by over 2x when used. If you take that alone his Kamehameha's AP would be over double his normal AP.

The wiki doesn't accept power levels as linear so oof

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

But yeah, defensively I don't see what Goku can do. There is also the little problem where I'm pretty sure Goku is vulnerable to Superman's Heat Vision and Freeze Breath. He has some resistance to harsh temperatures but it's nothing compared to feats like Heat Vision nearing the temperature of the Sun's core or Freeze Breath instantly freezing things solid.

Yeah that would be a problem

So you vote for Superman then?

 

[StarShooter80]

Voting soup

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Voting Superman due to his Heat Vision, Ice breath, more experience and likely LS advantage, but this fight is incredibly close tbf

Voting soup

Counted

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Yeah that would be a problem

So you vote for Superman then?

Yeah I suppose so. If we had an official stance on how much the Kamehameha boosts AP I could maybe see Goku win but as it stands no.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Yeah I suppose so. If we had an official stance on how much the Kamehameha boosts AP I could maybe see Goku win but as it stands no.

Ok, counted

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

bump

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Bump

 

[Spinoirr]

I literally did this with basically a more haxed, stronger goku basically and superman won

Like his heat vision is like the core of the sun temperature

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I literally did this with basically a more haxed, stronger goku basically and superman won

lol

Like his heat vision is like the core of the sun temperature

Goku could dodge it (or try to dodge at least), it´s a very close match tbf

So you vote for Superman then?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Superman fra

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Superman fra

Counted

 

[Padaruyos]

Voting Supes. AP advantage and his better abilities gets him the W here.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Voting Supes. AP advantage and his better abilities gets him the W here.

Counted

 

[Vzearr]

Isn't this just a stomp. Does Goku have wincons ?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Isn't this just a stomp. Does Goku have wincons ?

He can physically injure and fight Superman with normal punches or ki blasts, he can also use his Stealth mastery and Status Effect Inducement or attack Superman pressure points

 

[Vzearr]

he can also use his Stealth mastery and Status Effect Inducement

How would that help.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

How would that help.

Stealth Mastery and Limited Perception Manipulation (With his sharpened spirit[26], Goku mastered the ability of "[crouching] as quiet as the sky and [striking] quick than lightning"[27], dampening his presence completely[27] including scant air movements[28] and his footsteps[29] and erasing his own Ki[30]; thus, allowing him to optimize his movements and elude the senses of opponents completely)

Status Effect Inducement (Via Blindness; Solar Flare a technique that cause blindness with flashes of light)

I just think this is a stomp and shouldn't be added.

This fight is more fair than it looks

 

[Vzearr]

Status Effect Inducement (Via Blindness; Solar Flare a technique that cause blindness with flashes of light)

Can't he just repeat this. What is superman gonna do ? See ?

 

[Padaruyos]

Can't he just repeat this. What is superman gonna do ? See ?

This is just not in character lmao. Otherwise DB chars would spam Taioken at every turn.

 

[Vzearr]

This is just not in character lmao. Otherwise DB chars would spam Taioken at every turn.

Eyup. So Goku would barley have wincons lol. Sad fight.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Eyup. So Goku would barley have wincons lol. Sad fight.

This doesn´t means he wouldn´t use solar flare

Again, this fight is fair for both

 

[Vzearr]

This doesn´t means he wouldn´t use solar flare

Again, this fight is fair for both

He gets one hit in then superman beats him to a pulp.

Although, does superman have an answer for Goku's analytical prediction ?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

He gets one hit in then superman beats him to a pulp.

The AP gap ins´t big, it´s just of 3 times

Although, does superman have an answer for Goku's analytical prediction ?

He has Information Analysis:

Information Analysis (Can quickly analyze molecular and genetic information[12], electromagnetic makeups.[13] Able to make quick calculations of his[14] opponent[15] and the[16] environment)

But Goku's analytical prediction would help him in the fight

 

[Vzearr]

The AP gap ins´t big, it´s just of 3 times

Thats pretty large.

Information Analysis (Can quickly analyze molecular and genetic information[12], electromagnetic makeups.[13] Able to make quick calculations of his[14] opponent[15] and the[16] environment)

How is that gonna help him land a hit on Goku lol.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Thats pretty large.

Depends of how you look at it

How is that gonna help him land a hit on Goku lol.

"Able to make quick calculations of his opponent"

Also, Goku ins´t untouchable, he was hit multiple times

 

[Vzearr]

"Able to make quick calculations of his opponent"

I don't know how that's a counter to analytical prediction. Also can superman actually hit Goku ? A better question is how many hits would he land compared to Goku ? I don't think superman is landing enough hits on Goku to win ngl.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Also can superman actually hit Goku ? A better question is how many hits would he land compared to Goku ? I don't think superman is landing enough hits on Goku to win ngl.

Characters like Vegeta doesn´t have analytical prediction and even then can land multiple hits in Goku

 

[speedster352]

Characters like Vegeta doesn´t have analytical prediction and even then can land multiple hits in Goku

Because of the power gap and super retconning things in the super hero movie Goku didn’t know what meditation was when he was doing that as a kid. Goku might take it here he has a lot of ways to predict and fight against superman and pretty sure using the solar flare is in character he used it against great ape vegeta when he was pushed.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Because of the power gap and super retconning things in the super hero movie Goku didn’t know what meditation was when he was doing that as a kid. Goku might take it here he has a lot of ways to predict and fight against superman and pretty sure using the solar flare is in character he used it against great ape vegeta when he was pushed.

This was fixed in DBS manga, where Goku only says the he is surprised that of all people, the one meditating is Vegeta, hell, he literally meditates in Granolah Arc, that moment in the movie was just PIS

Goku only used solar flare against Vegeta to have time to charge the spirit bomb, he never used it offensively

 

[StarShooter80]

Stealth mastery

Can hear across the planet and can identify heartbeats, so that isn't a wincon

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Can hear across the planet and can identify heartbeats, so that isn't a wincon

Goku´s stealth mastery ins´t he hiding himself or something, it just "allow him to optimize his movements and elude the senses of opponents completely"

 

[StekFence]

Can't he just repeat this. What is superman gonna do ? See ?

Doesn’t superman straight up fly in the sun? Wtf would a little more do