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Goku vs Sonic

Spinoirr

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Super Starfall Sonic is being used
Universe Mission goku is being used
Speed is equal

Sonic:

Goku:

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It's the exact same issue as the other one. Goku scales to busting Infinite 6D space-times. Sonic scales to a singular 6D structure. The gap in power is countless infinities. Same logic as 2-C (2 Universes is infinitely weaker than 3 universes for example) and CC Goku has hax.

There is no wincon for Sonic to my knowledge. So this is a stomp.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
It's the exact same issue as the other one. Goku scales to busting Infinite 6D space-times. Sonic scales to a singular 6D structure. The gap in power is countless infinities. Same logic as 2-C (2 Universes is infinitely weaker than 3 universes for example) and CC Goku has hax.

There is no wincon for Sonic to my knowledge. So this is a stomp.
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Wait for Sonic supporters
 
Lemme get this straight. You use the weaker version of Super Sonic (aka the one without passives) and put him up against a version of Goku that DOES have (from what I recall) a shit ton of passives?

Genuinely, what are you thinking? Is this spite or does this version like, lack the busted stuff?

Also the Infinite 6-D vs 1-Structure 6-D doesn't matter because of Invulnerability (and yes, I'm aware of the thread revising it to require a mechanism. I am well-prepared for that); so despite it being funny, Goku does not solo with a 6-D punch.
 
it doesn't matter which key of sonic or goku is being used, goku stomps in every scenario
 
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Robo432343 said:
it doesn't matter which key of sonic or goku is being used, goku stomps in every scenario
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Didn't the verse lose Type 2 Information? That makes Cyber Corruption a valid wincon utilizing Starfall Sonic, meaning you'd be wrong (as you usually are anyways).

That would make multiple scenarios where Sonic wins, just not many. Are you addicted to saying stupid shit?
 
Robo432343 said:
No.
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Where does it come from, then? Last I checked it was the wi-fi world that gave them Type 2 Info and I thought that was removed.

Can I be shown a page that has the ability? Would this key of Goku even resist it? I'm not good at looking through Xeno pages.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
It's listed here that Games Ki can interact with Type 2 Info. Under 'Manipulation' then 'Games'
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Rad, I had just found it when you posted this, thank you.

My question to OP is doubled in fervor; @Spinoirr How in the hell do you think a Goku with passives vs a Sonic without passives would go? Especially considering that some of Goku's keys get up to 8 layers in Time Power [I'm aware that's irrelevant to this key], meaning even using Starfall Sonic would make it a dubious effort for Sonic to win (not inarguable, but that renders the base aspect of Cyber Corruption moot).

How in the hell is this not a spite match?
 
So, in regards to Starfall Super Sonic the argument for him is primarily his Cyber Aura inducing Cyber Corruption, which is a form of Type 2 Info Manip?

If so, CC Goku resists Dark Ki and Power of Destruction. Dark Ki has Type 2 Info Manip via corrupting all histories, including Ziku World so Goku can resist Info Type 2 corruption and Power of Destruction can erase Type 2 Info.

Dark Ki also overlaps with Cyber Corruption with Corrosion Inducement, and his resistance to Evil Aura gives him resistance to Empathic Manipulation.

Beyond that we have Memory Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Sense Negation and Perception Manipulation. Goku already resists paralysis inducement so he may be fine there and an inability to feel things via touch shouldn't impact him, especially with Ki Sense. Goku also resists Perception Manipulation.

So overall I believe the only part of Cyber Corruption Goku doesn't immediately have some sort of resistance argument is Memory Manipulation but this is an over time effect, he should be able to resist being corrupted due to his Dark Ki resistance and even if he loses his memories I'm not so sure that would mean he stops fighting or just loses. He still has all his instincts and powers after all.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
So, in regards to Starfall Super Sonic the argument for him is primarily his Cyber Aura inducing Cyber Corruption, which is a form of Type 2 Info Manip?

If so, CC Goku resists Dark Ki and Power of Destruction. Dark Ki has Type 2 Info Manip via corrupting all histories, including Ziku World so Goku can resist Info Type 2 corruption and Power of Destruction can erase Type 2 Info.

Dark Ki also overlaps with Cyber Corruption with Corrosion Inducement, and his resistance to Evil Aura gives him resistance to Empathic Manipulation.

Beyond that we have Memory Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Sense Negation and Perception Manipulation. Goku already resists paralysis inducement so he may be fine there and an inability to feel things via touch shouldn't impact him, especially with Ki Sense. Goku also resists Perception Manipulation.

So overall I believe the only part of Cyber Corruption Goku doesn't immediately have some sort of resistance argument is Memory Manipulation but this is an over time effect, he should be able to resist being corrupted due to his Dark Ki resistance and even if he loses his memories I'm not so sure that would mean he stops fighting or just loses. He still has all his instincts and powers after all.
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Didn't this key of Goku get corupted by Cumbers evil Ki?
 
Spinoirr said:
Didn't this key of Goku get corupted by Cumbers evil Ki?
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You're probably confusing Evil ki with dark ki, which he already resist easily.
Evil ki has a higher layer, but he still RE'd and resist it anyway after such.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
He can try lmfao
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Fezzih_007 said:
Even If Sonic loses Invu, Chariot gonna downgrade Xeno Goku with his staff thread, so is all good.
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The only way he could do that is by downgrading macrocosms to 3-A, and worst case scenario Games literally cannot be affected because we got blatant statements of the macrocosms being space-times, so whatever happens Games remain unaffected.💔
 
Robo432343 said:
there are many ways to downgrade it actually but its very difficult to argue given theres so much evidence
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I mean for Canon his arguments are gonna be: the light in the neutral space is touching both macrocosms and went inside of it, and the universes look like they’re touching!

For Games, like there’s no way we could downgrade macrocosms it’s genuinely impossible, it’s already pretty unlikely for canon, but games is genuinely not possible because it has its own unique statements and composites everything.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
I mean for Canon his arguments are gonna be: the light in the neutral space is touching both macrocosms and went inside of it, and the universes look like they’re touching!

For Games, like there’s no way we could downgrade macrocosms it’s genuinely impossible, it’s already pretty unlikely for canon, but games is genuinely not possible because it has its own unique statements and composites everything.
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But doesn't DBH use the same cosmology as the DB canon? Everything that affects the original also happens to it, even if there is a downgrade of the hyperline of time.
 
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