Goku Vs. Mahito

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Idk if this was already brought up, but Mahito and any curse is completly invulnerably to anything but cursed energy

 

[Zabazab]

He can still rock mahito with cqc even if it won't kill him, and when mahito tries to get close he gets caught with telekinesis then will be kept at a range.

His Domain will work with tens of meters of Goku.

It took time to effect todo after he was caught inside of it, if it were to catch goku at all.

No it didn't. As soon as the Domain was cast, Idle Transfiguration was applied to Todo, making his arm explode.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It took time to effect todo after he was caught inside of it, if it were to catch goku at all.

It didn't tho? A 0.2s domain transfigured Todo's entire arm. Not to mention Mahito merged the process of constructing a domain and activating the sure-hit into one step. So as it forms it'd affect Goku if he's within range at all.

I mean, in mui his whole thing is not thinking or having any unnecessary emotions lol.

He was shown to very much be able to think and have emotions though. His body just moves independent of his mind. Otherwise Goku wouldn't talk or be able to hold conversations where he clearly expresses himself while in UI.

Cursed Energy is far more fundamental here so idk if we just assume Goku should have.

OP could clarify though

I thought verse equalization covered that. In the same way we treat all living things on the wiki as having ki by default, I assume we would assume the same for cursed energy which stems simply from negative emotions. Which is present in like 99.99% of fiction.

The cursed energy is here.

Yeah, not relevant. Mahito doesn't sense Ki to begin with. Cursed Energy and Ki are entirely different in how they function.

How exactly would Mahito finish Goku? Goku can resist even complete soul destruction, he can teleport out of the Domain Expansion and divine ki should work against an evil energy.

On the other hand, Goku can sense Mahito's strength, feel that a fight would be pointless and give him a slap to knock him out. Another option would be to teleport him somewhere else where he can no longer create danger, similar to what he did with Cell.

Not to mention Hakai, who's an instawin.

Domain Expansion actually prevents teleportation as stated by Sukuna. It changes spatial coordinates inside a closed domain, thus making teleportation outside impossible. He could break out though, but he wouldn't know he has to. And would be dead before he realized it was dangerous. And resisting soul destruction and what is essentially bodily transmutation via the soul are entirely different. Would be like trying to argue someone who can resist existence erasure can resist transmutation.

 

[Quantu]

Energies are equalized.

Okay, I'm back to this argument.

Goku pastes him with anything he does via having Infinite more AP, being hilariously more skilled, versatile movement and defense with flight, teleportation spam etc. as well as the ability to detect malicious intent coupled with automatic reactions + SEOP not being instant means he will Hakai Mahito and erase him permanently before Mahito even lands a hit or casts his domain.

 

[TiltedFN]

Voting goku

 

[Quantu]

Domain Expansion actually prevents teleportation as stated by Sukuna. It changes spatial coordinates inside a closed domain, thus making teleportation outside impossible. He could break out though, but he wouldn't know he has to. And would be dead before he realized it was dangerous. And resisting soul destruction and what is essentially bodily transmutation via the soul are entirely different. Would be like trying to argue someone who can resist existence erasure can resist transmutation.

Instant Transmission can teleport to different space-times and beyond dimensional barriers. It's not the same as Gojo teleporting by compressing space

Goku also breaks out of it through having infinite more AP. Explain how Tier 7 attacks can break insides of stronger domains (Gojo) but how Goku couldn't with literally anything he does.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Equalizing Ki with Cursed energy is dumb ngl

 

[Zabazab]

Instant Transmission can teleport to different space-times and beyond dimensional barriers. It's not the same as Gojo teleporting by compressing space

Goku also breaks out of it through having infinite more AP. Explain how Tier 7 attacks can break insides of stronger domains (Gojo) but how Goku couldn't with literally anything he does.

Doesn't matter because Goku just dies in Mahito's Domain immediately.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Instant Transmission can teleport to different space-times and beyond dimensional barriers. It's not the same as Gojo teleporting by compressing space

Goku also breaks out of it through having infinite more AP. Explain how Tier 7 attacks can break insides of stronger domains (Gojo) but how Goku couldn't with literally anything he does.

Goku would be dead before he gets the chance to escape. Let alone knows to escape. He wouldn't even be aware of Domain Expansion presence due to Jujutsu being imperceptible to non-sorcerers. Not to mention before it even fully manifests it already starts transfiguring due to Mahito merging the two-step process into one.

Equalizing Ki with Cursed energy is dumb ngl

Agreed

 

[Quantu]

Goku has automatic reactions in MUI. He can sense malicious intent. Mahito's domain isn't an instantaneous cast. Goku is easily teleporting away if it even comes to that. I've already explained why I think it doesn't anyway.

Voting Goku.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Goku has automatic reactions in MUI. He can sense malicious intent. Mahito's domain isn't an instantaneous cast. Goku is easily teleporting away if it even comes to that. I've already explained why I think it doesn't anyway.

He wouldn't be able to detect the domain, nor would his automatic senses be able to pick up what the domain does. Thus he'd have no reason to teleport away. It's not like Mahito's throwing a punch with the obvious intent to harm him. He's summoning a barrier that creates effectively a local dimension with a technique imbued into it that affects ones soul. Assuming he could somehow see domain expansion, his body wouldn't be able to tell what it does. because the effects of techniques don't manifest until after it affects the person. The sure hit literally only starts to exist AFTER it hits the target.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

1. How the fu.ck Goku would bypass LowGodly. Yes, he has Hakai, but why would he start with that? He doesnt know about Mahito immortality, and even so he doesnt start with that, as seen when he fought people like Zamasu
2. If we decide to not equalize ki with cursed energy, Goku will be also unable to sense or see any attack from Mahito, or even realize his very existence. Not only that, but Mahito would pretty much become invulnerable against any attack that isnt Hakai
3. Mahito loves to use his Domain Expansion, if he realizes that he cant catch Goku, he will open a domain, killing him
4. If Goku cant sense nor see Mahito, he is not gonna dodge even a basic move

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Mahito's Tier 8 ass has no defense against this

• Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed[15][100][101][102][103][104][105]
• Social Influencing: At this level, auras can intimidate weaker opponents[15]

Mahito cant sense KI, much less God KI

Although he is not beating Goku

 

[Quantu]

1. How the fu.ck Goku would bypass LowGodly. Yes, he has Hakai, but why would he start with that? He doesnt know about Mahito immortality, and even so he doesnt start with that, as seen when he fought people like Zamasu

The fact that Goku pastes him sever times over with an Infinite AP gap, skill gap and manoeuvrability gap, realises he's not dying, then busts it out. He's used Hakai in MUI as well, to troll Moro.

1. If we decide to not equalize ki with cursed energy, Goku will be also unable to sense or see any attack from Mahito, or even realize his very existence. Not only that, but Mahito would pretty much become invulnerable against any attack that isnt Hakai

Well it is equalized

1. Mahito loves to use his Domain Expansion, if he realizes that he cant catch Goku, he will open a domain, killing him

Before he gets Hakai'd or not is the key question.

Goku in MUI in this arc also threw a MF into space with a Ki Avatar so he could always do that and call it a day

1. If Goku cant sense nor see Mahito, he is not gonna dodge even a basic move

Energy equalized

 

[TauanVictor]

Yeah, not relevant. Mahito doesn't sense Ki to begin with. Cursed Energy and Ki are entirely different in how they function.

Fair.

Domain Expansion actually prevents teleportation as stated by Sukuna. It changes spatial coordinates inside a closed domain, thus making teleportation outside impossible. He could break out though, but he wouldn't know he has to. And would be dead before he realized it was dangerous. And resisting soul destruction and what is essentially bodily transmutation via the soul are entirely different. Would be like trying to argue someone who can resist existence erasure can resist transmutation.

Goku's teleportation has an interdimensional range. To assume that Domain Expansion can stop it is NLF.

Also, Goku scales infinitely above Gotenks who could open a dimension from the base of the shout, plus he was able to completely destroy Hit's pocket dimension, which has the same function as the Domain Expansion + Space-Time pranks.

MUI would make it very difficult for Mahito to touch Goku. Tbf, Goku's Accelerated Development should handle it anyway as it's capable of dealing with something much more complex like Space-Time pranks.

 

[Duedate8898]

How are any of you acting like this isn't a stomp one way or the other? Either Goku dances on mahito till he tires out/BFRs him or Goku can't even sense Mahito and gets one tapped because he has no soul resistance.

Please someone enlighten me as to why this shouldn't be closed?

 

[azontr]

One (1) Self-Embodiment of Perfection ends the fight. Resisting Soul Destruction ≠ Mahito's brand of soul manipulation.

Goku also can't permanently harm Mahito without Hakai.

Mahito stomps. Close this.

 

[TauanVictor]

How are any of you acting like this isn't a stomp one way or the other? Either Goku dances on mahito till he tires out/BFRs him or Goku can't even sense Mahito and gets one tapped because he has no soul resistance.

Please someone enlighten me as to why this shouldn't be closed?

Yes, Goku stomps by BFR, Hakai or knockout.

Close it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The fact that Goku pastes him sever times over with an Infinite AP gap, skill gap and manoeuvrability gap, realises he's not dying then, busts it out. He's used Hakai in MUI as well, to troll Moro.

He will be already a dying pokemon before realizing it
And thanks for the scan. He pretty much used it in a rock instead against the opponent

Goku in MUI in this arc also threw a MF into space with a Ki Avatar so he could always do that and call it a day

Yeah, and before that Mahito just self explode. He have done it numerous times in his fights

Energy equalized

What is dumb. You are equalizing negative energy that is born from ideias to life force

 

[SuperStar]

Please someone enlighten me as to why this shouldn't be closed?

Looks like a decisive win for Goku.

 

[Quantu]

How are any of you acting like this isn't a stomp one way or the other? Either Goku dances on mahito till he tires out/BFRs him or Goku can't even sense Mahito and gets one tapped because he has no soul resistance.

Please someone enlighten me as to why this shouldn't be closed?

Nah you're right

it's a stomp for either sides arguments tbh.

 

[Duedate8898]

And I'm closing