Goku Vs. Mahito

[SuperStar]

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Goku Vs. Mahito​

• Fight Location: SBA
• Battle Music
• Granolah the Survivor Saga Goku will be used
• Shibuya Incident Mahito will be used
• Starting Distance: 50 meters
• Speed Equal
• Both in character
• Win by any means

Vs.

Goku:

Mahito:

Incon:

 

[Giannysmag]

This is certinely a match up of all time. Anyhow i'm following this

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Mahito FRB

 

[Giannysmag]

Goku cause it was stated in CFYOW

 

[TiltedFN]

If mahito's entire body is destroyed, can he regenerate it? If not, goku literally just uses his incomplete hakai at the start, turns his body to dust, or starts out with telekinesis and then uses his air blast. Although I'm not sure how we treat the whole, "you can't damage me unless you damage my soul" thing against beings with 4D AP.

 

[SuperStar]

If mahito's entire body is destroyed, can he regenerate it?

Yes, since Mahito's regen can go up to low-godly.

 

[TiltedFN]

Yes, since Mahito's regen can go up to low-godly.

isn't it only possibly, do we have concrete evidence of him coming back from an attack which turns him to dust? Deconstruction?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If mahito's entire body is destroyed, can he regenerate it? If not, goku literally just uses his incomplete hakai at the start, turns his body to dust, or starts out with telekinesis and then uses his air blast. Although I'm not sure how we treat the whole, "you can't damage me unless you damage my soul" thing against beings with 4D AP.

Unless Goku nukes the universe itself I don't think logic of AP Bypassing hax works..

 

[Quantu]

Mahito ain't touching MUI any time too quickly

 

[LaserPrecision]

If not, goku literally just uses his incomplete hakai at the start

Did Goku recently do this or something? He used it against Fused Zamasu, but that was not at ALL a starting move. In fact, it was one of the last moves he used.

or starts out with telekinesis and then uses his air blast.

I don't recall him ever doing that throughout the entire series either. But I haven't been keeping up past the Granolah arc, so maybe I missed something

Those comments aside, wouldn't Mahito be completely imperceptible to Goku? He's not a sorcerer. And non-sorcerers can't see, or feel curses even when they're being directly touched by one. Heck, if I'm not mistaking, they can't even interact with them (Or at least can't exorcise them as verbatim stated in-universe. But I'm pretty sure people with no cursed energy can't even touch a curse, but curses can touch them).

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Goku feels Mahito's disgusting presence and tried to kill him, potentially a powerful attack would end up sending the curse into space so anyway


Also This versión of Goku's learning how to use Ultra instinct tecniques, so even if he start in base, Mahito will never touch him that not talking about SBA make this Perfect or True ultra instinct

 

[TiltedFN]

Did Goku recently do this or something? He used it against Fused Zamasu, but that was not at ALL a starting move. In fact, it was one of the last moves he used.

It says win by any means and also in character, so idk.

I don't recall him ever doing that throughout the entire series either. But I haven't been keeping up past the Granolah arc, so maybe I missed something

Those comments aside, wouldn't Mahito be completely imperceptible to Goku? He's not a sorcerer. And non-sorcerers can't see, or feel curses even when they're being directly touched by one. Heck, if I'm not mistaking, they can't even interact with them (Or at least can't exorcise them as verbatim stated in-universe. But I'm pretty sure people with no cursed energy can't even touch a curse, but curses can touch them).

He uses that in the granolah arc against granolah, he also used it against moro. And ki can interact with souls and abstract beings. And actually, goku has possibly EE, so he might just outright erase mahito. Goku also doesn't really need to see him because of his enhanced senses even if you were to argue that, which is weird.

 

[Zabazab]

Goku can't see Mahito but he can probably sense him. Hakai is pretty ooc & Mahito one-shots. Not really seeing how Goku takes this.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It says win by any means and also in character, so idk.

Oh, I agree he would eventually resort to that if he realized nothing else was working. Just don't think he'd open up with that ever.

He uses that in the granolah arc against granolah, he also used it against moro. And ki can interact with souls and abstract beings. And actually, goku has possibly EE, so he might just outright erase mahito.

I recall that, but I don't remember him opening with them. Doesn't he usually opt for CQC and Ki attacks? It should also be noted Cursed Spirits aren't just abstract, but information. At least I recall that being the case. I might need to check the cursed energy page again to be sure. Though wouldn't he have trouble perceiving Mahito in anyway? People who aren't sorcerers can't see, feel, or hear curses.

Does Goku have a resistance to fear manip? Curses have passive fear aura's that make people to scared to move.

 

[Quantu]

Mahito's Tier 8 ass has no defense against this

• Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed[15][100][101][102][103][104][105]
• Social Influencing: At this level, auras can intimidate weaker opponents[15]

Also, anytime Mahito gets too close...

 

[TiltedFN]

Mahito's Tier 8 ass has no defense against this

• Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed[15][100][101][102][103][104][105]
• Social Influencing: At this level, auras can intimidate weaker opponents[15]

Also, anytime Mahito gets too close...

yup, no way to get around this, then he just erases with hakai, simple.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Mahito's Tier 8 ass has no defense against this

• Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed[15][100][101][102][103][104][105]

Doesn't Goku like... rarely use this though? It seemed to always be used by a bad guy in every instance. Not saying Goku can't do this, but I don't recall Goku ever trying to use this on anyone ever throughout the series.

Then there's the fact Curses aren't affected by passive fear manip which is essentially just better social influencing Though I feel if what's described about ki is true, it could possibly be more than just social influencing. Which Goku also has no answer to.

 

[Quantu]

Like, Goku is so much more skilled it's not even funny. I don't think the unfathomable skill gap is being considered. Goku can maintain high levels of skill even without his key senses.

Mahito is not touching him. Versatily comes in the form of MUI, teleportation spam, telekenisis, illusion/cloning, afterimages, Martial Arts Mastery etc. Bro can literally FLY. Not to mention he can paste Mahito with any stray air punch or even by flaring up his explosive aura, a simple kiai, ki blast etc. He can make energy barriers that Tier 2s cant break through and can summon a Ki Avatar that Mahito cant get around. I can see Goku Hakaing him after decimating him a few times and realising Mahito keeps coming back before Mahito lands a single touch on Goku. It is accepted as Soul/Matter Destruction and he has used it in MUI before.

 

[TiltedFN]

Doesn't Goku like... rarely use this though? It seemed to always be used by a bad guy in every instance. Not saying Goku can't do this, but I don't recall Goku ever trying to use this on anyone ever throughout the series.

Then there's the fact Curses aren't affected by passive fear manip which is essentially just better social influencing Though I feel if what's described about ki is true, it could possibly be more than just social influencing. Which Goku also has no answer to.

The page just says this happens on weaker sorcerers, would this even effect goku? Goku has resistance to paralysis inducement, also in UI, would fear manip even matter if he can move without using his mind?

 

[LaserPrecision]

I agree Mahito can't conventionally land a hit on Goku... but people seem to forget he can just catch Goku in a Domain Expansion and Goku's ******. Goku wouldn't know what it is, what it's about to do, etc. Not to mention Mahito merged the process of it forming and activating the technique, so as soon as Mahito uses Domain Expansion, Goku would be caught in it and transfigured as it forms without being aware of the attacks presence at all.

The page just says this happens on weaker sorcerers, would this even effect goku? Goku has resistance to paralysis inducement.

It should work yeah. Fear manip and paralysis inducement are different. One paralyzes the body, the other esoterically induces fear into people. Not sure why it said it only has that affect on weaker sorcerers tho considering we've seen cursed energy scare stronger people and even effect cursed spirits (Sukuna freaked the **** out of Mahito the first time he tried to transfigure Itadori's soul).

 

[TiltedFN]

I agree Mahito can't conventionally land a hit on Goku... but people seem to forget he can just catch Goku in a Domain Expansion and Goku's ******. Goku wouldn't know what it is, what it's about to do, etc. Not to mention Mahito merged the process of it forming and activating the technique, so as soon as Mahito uses Domain Expansion, Goku would be caught in it and transfigured as it forms without being aware of the attacks presence at all.


It should work yeah. Fear manip and paralysis inducement are different. One paralyzes the body, the other esoterically induces fear into people. Not sure why it said it only has that affect on weaker sorcerers tho considering we've seen cursed energy scare stronger people and even effect cursed spirits (Sukuna freaked the **** out of Mahito the first time he tried to transfigure Itadori's soul).

Goku can move, attack, and react separate of his mind, and I don't see mahito using that as a first move either while goku will use that if he gets close, and into a hakai one shot. And i mean it does say it only works on weaker characters so yeah, goku is stronger than mahito. I think goku has far more wincons. And why is this win by any means and in character?

 

[Quantu]

I agree Mahito can't conventionally land a hit on Goku... but people seem to forget he can just catch Goku in a Domain Expansion and Goku's ******. Goku wouldn't know what it is, what it's about to do, etc. Not to mention Mahito merged the process of it forming and activating the technique, so as soon as Mahito uses Domain Expansion, Goku would be caught in it and transfigured as it forms without being aware of the attacks presence at all.


It should work yeah. Fear manip and paralysis inducement are different. One paralyzes the body, the other esoterically induces fear into people. Not sure why it said it only has that affect on weaker sorcerers tho considering we've seen cursed energy scare stronger people and even effect cursed spirits (Sukuna freaked the **** out of Mahito the first time he tried to transfigure Itadori's soul).

I argued Unlimited Void wouldn't work on Goku so you know where I'm going with this lol. Goku = a building to domains in my view

Ki is not as fundamental as Cursed Energy (at least on this wiki). Goku technically resists Soul Destruction so one of the reasons idle transfiguration works at all is because of the soul and how it works in JJK. But through that same logic, he wouldn't be able to be recognised by the domain due to this Ki/Cursed Energy difference. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Zabazab]

Neither will start with it, but Mahito casting Self-Embodiment of Perfection will very likely come before Goku resorts to Hakai.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Goku can move, attack, and react separate of his mind, and I don't see mahito using that as a first move either while goku will use that if he gets close, and into a hakai one shot. And i mean it does say it only works on weaker characters so yeah, goku is stronger than mahito. I think goku has far more wincons. And why is this win by any means and in character?

Mmm, that might be fair. I'm not certain though. At times fear manip has caused characters bodies to react in fear without them understanding why mentally.

Goku is less likely to use Hakai than Mahito is to use Domain Expansion. Self-Embodiment of Perfection has been used 3 times in the series, each time before the fight even ended (Around the mid-way point of each battle). Goku used Hakai once near the end of a battle after getting his ass kicked for 99% of the battle.

I think that's just a mistake of the wiki. There's literally no reason power would influence fear manip. It's been shown that it affects people who are stronger. The only people who have resisted it are people who just outright have a resistance to fear manipulation. Which tends to be stronger sorcerers that have a better understanding of cursed energy. So I don't think we can hand-wave that because of what's stated on the page.

Because you can still be in-character and win by any means? By any means just means that knock out, death, or incap are all valid win-cons. It doesn't mean they're bloodlusted.

 

[TiltedFN]

Neither will start with it, but Mahito casting Self-Embodiment of Perfection will very likely come before Goku resorts to Hakai.

He wouldn't even have the chance to do it because of goku's range, telekinesis, his air blast, the general way i works, and hakai, he has a literal way to destroy mahito from a distance, something he can't dodge at all.

 

[Quantu]

btw, if Sukuna's fodder Tier 7 slashes can break a Gojo who flipped domain conditions, Goku who has INFINITE more power is flexing out of Mahito's immediately even if he gets caught and doesn't just teleport out.

 

[TauanVictor]

Hakai is pretty ooc

No.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Mahito can't be interacted with cuz of Cursed Spirit Physiology

Wtf is this match?

 

[LaserPrecision]

I argued Unlimited Void wouldn't work on Goku so you know where I'm going with this lol. Goku = a building to domains in my view

Ki is not as fundamental as Cursed Energy (at least on this wiki). Goku technically resists Soul Destruction so one of the reasons idle transfiguration works at all is because of the soul and how it works in JJK. But through that same logic, he wouldn't be able to be recognised by the domain due to this Ki/Cursed Energy difference. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Ki and Cursed Energy are entirely different. One is just the negative emotions humans possess, the other is a life-force like power that is far less abstract/fundamental in nature as you noted. Not sure why it'd recognize him as a building because his ki which isn't what Mahito senses became undetectable. To even compare what is essentially just negative emotions with a life-force energy sounds strange.

 

[Zabazab]

He wouldn't even have the chance to do it because of goku's range, telekinesis, his air blast, the general way i works, and hakai, he has a literal way to destroy mahito from a distance, something he can't dodge at all.

Goku in-character starts with cqc if his opponent does. Nothing Goku has aside from Hakai matters because Mahito is invulnerable. As soon as Mahito realizes he can't hit Goku, he'll one-shot with his guaranteed-hit Domain.

btw, if Sukuna's fodder Tier 7 slashes can break a Gojo who flipped domain conditions, Goku who has INFINITE more power is flexing out of Mahito's immediately.

SEOP is an instant one-shot.

 

[Quantu]

Ki and Cursed Energy are entirely different. One is just the negative emotions humans possess, the other is a life-force like power that is far less abstract/fundamental in nature as you noted. Not sure why it'd recognize him as a building because his ki which isn't what Mahito senses became undetectable. To even compare what is essentially just negative emotions with a life-force energy sounds strange.

That's what I'm saying...

Non-Sukuna Domains don't work on beings with no cursed energy so Goku is safe. Not to mention Goku has layered resistance to being sensed anyway due to God Ki

 

[Quantu]

Despite what I'm saying btw, if Mahito truly is completely imperceptible to Goku in any way shape or form then he one shots lol

I'm just going under the assumption Goku can at minimum feel his presence

 

[TiltedFN]

Goku in-character starts with cqc if his opponent does. Nothing Goku has aside from Hakai matters because Mahito is invulnerable. As soon as Mahito realizes he can't hit Goku, he'll one-shot with his guaranteed-hit Domain.

He can still rock mahito with cqc even if it won't kill him, and when mahito tries to get close he gets caught with telekinesis then will be kept at a range.

SEOP is an instant one-shot.

It took time to effect todo after he was caught inside of it, if it were to catch goku at all.

 

[LaserPrecision]

That's what I'm saying...

Non-Sukuna Domains don't work on beings with no cursed energy so Goku is safe. Not to mention Goku has layered resistance to being sensed anyway due to God Ki

If they're different, then Goku would be detected by the Domain as he possesses negative emotions. Which are the root of cursed energy. Him hiding his ki via God Ki would be irrelevant as they aren't tied to his negative emotions. At least not in a way where God Ki masks or gets rid of his negative emotions anyways.

 

[TauanVictor]

How exactly would Mahito finish Goku? Goku can resist even complete soul destruction, he can teleport out of the Domain Expansion and divine ki should work against an evil energy.

On the other hand, Goku can sense Mahito's strength, feel that a fight would be pointless and give him a slap to knock him out. Another option would be to teleport him somewhere else where he can no longer create danger, similar to what he did with Cell.

Not to mention Hakai, who's an instawin.

 

[speedster352]

He can still rock mahito with cqc even if it won't kill him, and when mahito tries to get close he gets caught with telekinesis then will be kept at a range.

It took time to effect todo after he was caught inside of it, if it were to catch goku at all.

It happened in faster than 0.2 seconds since Mahito merged both steps into one

 

[TiltedFN]

If they're different, then Goku would be detected by the Domain as he possesses negative emotions. Which are the root of cursed energy. Him hiding his ki via God Ki would be irrelevant as they aren't tied to his negative emotions. At least not in a way where God Ki masks or gets rid of his negative emotions anyways.

I mean, in mui his whole thing is not thinking or having any unnecessary emotions lol.

 

[Quantu]

If they're different, then Goku would be detected by the Domain as he possesses negative emotions. Which are the root of cursed energy. Him hiding his ki via God Ki would be irrelevant as they aren't tied to his negative emotions. At least not in a way where God Ki masks or gets rid of his negative emotions anyways.

Cursed Energy is far more fundamental here so idk if we just assume equalization/Goku having it

OP could clarify though

 

[TauanVictor]

If they're different, then Goku would be detected by the Domain as he possesses negative emotions. Which are the root of cursed energy. Him hiding his ki via God Ki would be irrelevant as they aren't tied to his negative emotions. At least not in a way where God Ki masks or gets rid of his negative emotions anyways.

Resistance to Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a God)

The cursed energy is here.

 

[SuperStar]

Energies are equalized.