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Goku vs Gohan Buu saga

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if this is SSJ2 Goku(Majin Vegeta fight) vs SSJ2 Gohan(Dabura fight) Goku should dominate since he's more powerful and less rusty.

if this is SSJ3 Goku(Kid Buu fight) vs Ultimate Gohan, Gohan slaps even if you think they're equal in power Goku can't maintain SSJ3 long enough to beat Gohan.

Spirit Bomb won't work since Gohan is pure of heart and even if he wasn't there's no way Goku has the time to charge one.
 
Godernet said:
if this is SSJ2 Goku(Majin Vegeta fight) vs SSJ2 Gohan(Dabura fight) Goku should dominate since he's more powerful and less rusty.

if this is SSJ3 Goku(Kid Buu fight) vs Ultimate Gohan, Gohan slaps even if you think they're equal in power Goku can't maintain SSJ3 long enough to beat Gohan.

Spirit Bomb won't work since Gohan is pure of heart and even if he wasn't there's no way Goku has the time to charge one.
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Just to make sure? You voting gohan?
 
You don't even have the anime filler or Kid Buu anime statements to back up Goku here, Gohan stomps
 
SSJ1 Goku vs SSJ2 Gohan. Buu Saga versions for both could work. I don't recall if this is a stomp but someone can remind me if it is.
 
Vizer04 said:
Yes, you're allowed to vote on your own threads. What's your reasoning for Goku winning this battle?
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okay so first for some gohan scaling, When sensing a suppressed gohan flying towards the battlefield. Piccolo mistakes Gohan for Goku due to his ki’s size. Keep in mind piccolo never sensed a serious or full power ssj3 Goku.

Piccolo also states that the suppressed Gohan he sensed would be unable to beat buu. Implying the ssj3 Goku piccolo sensed < Super Buu. Upon unleashing his power. Gohan proved piccolo wrong making Gohan > Super Buu > Suppressed Ssj3 Goku. Super Buu states he sensed mystic Gohan’s Ki coming from the afterlife all the way to the living world. He also admits Gohan is stronger than him. Trunks and Goten confirms Gohan is a little stronger than ssj3 gotenks.
This is also stated in daizenshuu 2, which calls gohan the mightiest warrior when introduced: Gohan and Elder kai imply that he has become an “ultimate warrior” (both have never witnessed a serious ssj3 Goku): Upon releasing his ki, Gohan even impressed Goku.

Goku is consistently relative to kid buu and stated to be able to obliterate him twice if he was to ever go full power. So goku is over kid buu. I’ll show

To debunk the EML saying gohan and gotenks can defeat kid buu.
EML states Gohan and Gotenks can defeat buu if they were present on the battlefield. Many ppl take this statement was saying they could defeat buu on their own individually, but the statement says “con gohan y gotenks” which means “gohan with gotenks” implying they would be assisting goku and vegeta, not handling it by themselves. Teamwork actually amps you in the world of dragon ball.

Goku says let’s bring gohan and gotenks and vegeta says no, implying that bringing them wouldn’t be enough to defeat buu.
You could argue kid buu > gohan and gotenks with this

A 2018 v jump scan says when super buu absorbed gohan, a power on par with ssj3 goku was added. Meaning gohan was relative to a restricted ssj3 goku since he couldn’t use his fp ssj3 in the living world.
so Gohan is implied to be = to a restricted ss3 who couldn’t use his full power. So fp goku > gohan

also the EML says to beat kid buu, goku, vegeta, gohan and gotenks are needed, implying gohan can’t defeat kid buu, while its blatantly stated goku can.

Now for some potential counter arguments to this, “kid buu was beating goku tho” Dragon ball forever states that kid buu was only had the upper hand due to his regen, while is shown in the manga.

“why didn’t goku just go fp and kill buu then” he literally couldn’t and when he tried, he ran out of energy.

So fp ss3 goku > kid buu > restricted ss3 goku = Gohan

even when he wasn’t at fp, he was still obliterating buu, he even completely destroyed his body once so even when he wasn’t at fp, he was still above buu.

only wincon I see gohan having is waiting for goku to run out of energy, which can be the case, if he survives against goku or maybe gohan in this arc with his cocky attitude will be a dumbass and let goku charge his ki to fp and get one shotted or something.

here are the scans
 
Goku is the one who knows his power the best and he admits that he is weaker than Super Buu and the fusion dance is still needed to beat him. Ultimate Gohan dominating Super Buu means he can absolutely stomp SSJ3 Goku.
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Kin201 said:
Goku is the one who knows his power the best and he admits that he is weaker than Super Buu and the fusion dance is still needed to beat him. Ultimate Gohan dominating Super Buu means he can absolutely stomp SSJ3 Goku.
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This is heavily taken out of context.
Goku and vegeta entering buu’s body became weakened as their ki was also influenced by their size reduction.

In daizenshuu 10, it’s been translated to say while in buu’s body, goku and vegeta had less than 1/100th (0.01%) of their power.
Also, when buu gets hit by goku, he comments on his size as if it had something to do with why he’s so weak in comparison. This is implied in both the viz, raw kanji and herms translation.

 
Quoting from Goku and Vegeta themselves
Vegeta: Let's get out of here.
Goku: Wait! He's still stronger than either of us! He'll kill us if we go out like this.
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That's not taken out of context at all. Goku clearly says he (and Vegeta) would still be killed by Super Buu if they got out of his body. And when they get out of his body, their full power returns.
 
Goku and Vegeta being reduced to a hundredth of their full strength is completely unsubstantiated by the original story, and statements from the databooks is discarded without primary sources to substantiate the supplementary information.
 
Kin201 said:
Quoting from Goku and Vegeta themselves

That's not taken out of context at all. Goku clearly says he (and Vegeta) would still be killed by Super Buu if they got out of his body. And when they get out of his body, their full power returns.
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“Wait he’s still stronger than us, he’ll kill us if we get out LIKE THIS” what do you think like this means in this situation?

“They’ll return to full strength when they get out of his body”
Goku has consistently shown to lack the knowledge of understanding how buu body works and has never seen anyone get extracted from buu. There would no reason to assume goku has the knowledge to be credible here.

Goku blasting a hole in buu’s body thinking it would weaken him implies his ignorance on how buu functions.

Goku being amazed that him and everyone else were back to normal size after escaping buu also implies Ignorance.

 
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Nullflowerblush said:
Goku and Vegeta being reduced to a hundredth of their full strength is completely unsubstantiated by the original story, and statements from the databooks is discarded without primary sources to substantiate the supplementary information.
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Based on what, show me scans
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Non-fused.
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Obviously unfused.

lemme give you a basic analogy
Person A and Person B are heading to the store, however it starts to rain and both person A and B doesn’t have proper clothing for the rain
Person B says “if we go out like this we will get wet”
It’s only right to assume “like this” is referring to their current state and how they are not in a state where they are prepared.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
There aren't any. That is my point.

Yes. "Like this", as in not as Vegito, as Goku clearly references, not "like this" as in 100x weaker than normal.
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Okay so you’re asserting something without anything to back it up, nothing to support said claim. Okay buddy.

Okay, obviously not as vegito, you do realize goku could be referring to both right? Being that his current state is literally unfused and weakened, you saying he means unfused, doesn’t disprove my argument.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
This doesn't really matter any. If you want to revise the scaling, make a CRT.
Until then, Gohan solos zero diff.
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Why would I need to make a upgrade thread for inverse scaling? Stop trolling💀 there’s nothing on gohan page that suggests he no diffs like you said nor have you brought any proof yourself buddy.
 
Not sure what you're talking about but Goku clearly says they need the fusion dance to beat Super Buu. That means Goku doesn't believe his SSJ3 can stand a chance against Super Buu. This same Goku knows how powerful himself is and knows how powerful Super Buu is and asserts that his SSJ3 doesn't stand a chance, something Vegeta agrees with by replying with "Then, what do you want?", which Goku suggests doing the fusion dance.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Stonewalling you now.
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“Who should be superior”
Should: used to indicate what is probable
The wiki profile itself isn’t even fully sure on its scaling LMAO, since it’s probable, there’s a chance that’s not the case, I’m taking that chance.

Idk if I’m tripping or something, literally nothing implies a no diff, you’re trolling me
 
Kin201 said:
Not sure what you're talking about but Goku clearly says they need the fusion dance to beat Super Buu. That means Goku doesn't believe his SSJ3 can stand a chance against Super Buu. This same Goku knows how powerful himself is and knows how powerful Super Buu is and asserts that his SSJ3 doesn't stand a chance, something Vegeta agrees with by replying with "Then, what do you want?", which Goku suggests doing the fusion dance.
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Goku can’t use his fp ss3 in the world of the living. Goku only thinks he can’t win bc he can’t go all out. Goodbye to your argument.



this would make sense for why goku can suddenly go relative and overpower kid buu when he’s on the kaioshin planet , someone who has obvious scaling above super buu
 
Saintdhqhdy said:
Goku can’t use his fp ss3 in the world of the living. Goku only thinks he can’t win bc he can’t go all out. Goodbye to your argument.
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He thinks he can't win because he factually can't. He doesn't say I can't win because I can't use my full power SSJ3. It is obvious that he can't beat Super Buu even with SSJ3 Full Power. Show me where it says he can't win because he can't use his full power.
Saintdhqhdy said:
Goodbye to your argument.
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Right back at you then.
Saintdhqhdy said:
this would make sense for why goku can suddenly go relative and overpower kid buu when he’s on the kaioshin planet , someone who has obvious scaling above super buu
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Kid Buu isn't accepted to be above Super Buu here. Not in the manga.
Vizer04 said:
Are you serious? SS3 Goku was scared of Super Buu, who was previously curbstomped by Ultimate Gohan.
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This is all that needed to be said tbh. Can't be more straightforward.
 
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