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Kamehameha has never shown to vaporize people that you're otherwise equal to, so no. Goku's not vaporizing a damn thing here.
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Yes, he can, with Ki.
No he can't. He lacks both the AP and the Regenerationn nullification to do so.
No he can't. He lacks both the AP and the Regenerationn nullification to do so.
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That's not how it works.The Wright Way said:
For example, we have on the wiki that an AP stomp is classified when one being is 7.5 times stronger than another.
However, there are many fictions in which a difference of x2 is enough to equate to a physical stomps.
That's just how that world works - you can't just edit the scenario because it conflicts with the numbers on the wiki.
In the world of Dragon Ball, you can destroy all cells in a person's body with Ki without being "insert the number we have on the wiki".
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Even then Goku wouldn't vaporize Chaos at the start in-character. Naturally he'd want to drag out the fight since he enjoys fighting, so he'd most likely start off with punching.
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Not only is that not true (Go look at any fight, he in no way attempts to drag it out purposely for the sake of a fight) He's bloodlusted remember.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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Oh, I am not saying that Goku would win this fight - I am just saying he could bypass Low-High regen. And if Goku couldn't bypass the regen, then this would be a stomp.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
I think Chaos Bind is what makes Chaos win here.
I am assuming that Chaos spams this move, correct?
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Not only is that not true (Go look at any fight, he in no way attempts to drag it out purposely for the sake of a fight) He's bloodlusted remember.
Oh, I forgot both were bloodlusted.
Regardless freezing the air around someone is faster than charging up a beam.
Oh, I forgot both were bloodlusted.
Regardless freezing the air around someone is faster than charging up a beam.
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This is Raditz saga Goku, there are no transformations at this point.MonzyMonz said:
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Okay, so you're saying Ki wielders in general have the power to vaporize opponents, even if said opponent apparently has an advantage in power?Warren Valion said:
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Not only is that not true (Go look at any fight, he in no way attempts to drag it out purposely for the sake of a fight) He's bloodlusted remember.
Oh, I forgot both were bloodlusted.
Regardless freezing the air around someone is faster than charging up a beam.
Never said it wasn't.
Oh, I forgot both were bloodlusted.
Regardless freezing the air around someone is faster than charging up a beam.
Never said it wasn't.
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That's not how it works.
For example, we have on the wiki that an AP stomp is classified when one being is 7.5 times stronger than another.
However, there are many fictions in which a difference of x2 is enough to equate to a physical stomps.
That's just how that world works - you can't just edit the scenario because it conflicts with the numbers on the wiki.
In the world of Dragon Ball, you can destroy all cells in a person's body with Ki without being "insert the number we have on the wiki".
Cool, that doesn't translate to fights on our wiki. We don't consider people who AP stomp in verse to be 7.5x stronger for scaling purposes for example. In fights on this wiki, Goku has to be ridiculously stronger than his opponent to vaporize.
For example, we have on the wiki that an AP stomp is classified when one being is 7.5 times stronger than another.
However, there are many fictions in which a difference of x2 is enough to equate to a physical stomps.
That's just how that world works - you can't just edit the scenario because it conflicts with the numbers on the wiki.
In the world of Dragon Ball, you can destroy all cells in a person's body with Ki without being "insert the number we have on the wiki".
Cool, that doesn't translate to fights on our wiki. We don't consider people who AP stomp in verse to be 7.5x stronger for scaling purposes for example. In fights on this wiki, Goku has to be ridiculously stronger than his opponent to vaporize.
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That's not how that works.The Wright Way said:
If the character has shown to be able to vaporize an opponent without being "ridicously stronger than his opponent", then he can do that.
That doesn't change just because this fight is being done on this wiki.
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That's not how that works.
If the character has shown to be able to vaporize an opponent without being "ridicously stronger than his opponent", then he can do that.
That doesn't change just because this fight is being done on this wiki.
No he can't. That's never been the case. He'd need to have a specific power that let's him due that (IE durability negation). Which Goku does not.
If the character has shown to be able to vaporize an opponent without being "ridicously stronger than his opponent", then he can do that.
That doesn't change just because this fight is being done on this wiki.
No he can't. That's never been the case. He'd need to have a specific power that let's him due that (IE durability negation). Which Goku does not.
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No he wouldn't.The Wright Way said:
Gohan vs. Cell's Kamehameha proves this.
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No he wouldn't.
Gohan vs. Cell's Kamehameha proves this.
No it doesn't. It doesn't ignore durability, negate Regenerationn, or anything like that. On this wiki, by our stabdards, you have to be vastly superior to someone in order to vaporize them. Hell, we outright consider Gohan to be vastly superior to Cell because of that feat. Goku needs an AP advantage or he's not vaporizing anything.
Gohan vs. Cell's Kamehameha proves this.
No it doesn't. It doesn't ignore durability, negate Regenerationn, or anything like that. On this wiki, by our stabdards, you have to be vastly superior to someone in order to vaporize them. Hell, we outright consider Gohan to be vastly superior to Cell because of that feat. Goku needs an AP advantage or he's not vaporizing anything.
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I've never said it does.The Wright Way said:
But in Dragon Ball, you can kill someone with Low-High regen without being "vastly superior to them" in Ki - that isn't hax, that's just the writer not caring about any scinetifc standards. However, that doesn't mean that they can't do something they have shown to do just because you say it isn't possible because "the numbers don't match".
And not exactly, Gohan is vastly superior to Perfect Cell, not Super Perfect Cell.
Gohan is stronger than Super Perfect Cell because he was able to kill SPC while having half of strength depleted from his injuries. Cell's laspe in concentration from Vegeta's attacking him is what allowed Gohan's Kamehameha to overpower Cell's and kill him.
SSJ2 Teen Gohan isn't "vastly stronger" than SPC, that's just inaccurate.
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Again, the Gohan that killed Cell is vastly superior to Cell for being able to beat his Regenerationn. Goku is not vastly superior here, therefore he cannot. That's how the site does it. We don't change the way we operate because one verse doesn't care about science or consistency.
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No he is not, and I have explained why previously. Not to mention that not what Gohan's AP justification states as well.The Wright Way said:
And yes we do, we take everything as a "case by case" basis for a reason.
As another example, Dragon Ball doesn't consider the gap between 3-A and Low 2-C to be infinite, yet Dragon Ball characters are still Low 2-C.
If the character is shown to do something, then they can do it - Science or logic be damned.
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That's not how it works and we've never treated it like that but whatever. We're going in circles even though we agree that Chaos wins.
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Isn't this a stomp?
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Is it?
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Higher AP, Regen, Chaos Bind, sounds like it to me since the only advantage this Goku could ever have in a fight is higher AP tbh
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And getting stronger in a hurry.
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Goku has Higher AP and we established earlier that Goku can vaporize with Ki
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Isn't that the point of treating things case by case? If you treat everything the same, then that wouldn't be case by case.The Wright Way said:
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Let me explain how Chaos Bind works first:
When using Chaos Bind, Chaos tenses up in a wide pose and uses its hydrokinesis to freeze the air around its opponent, leaving them immobilized. The opposing player's screen will then be covered in a blue tint and a counter counting down from thirty appears. This effect leaves the opponent completely immobilized, making it an ideal way for the user to gain the upper hand in collecting Emerald Shards. Chaos Bind lasts for thirty seconds, which is indicated by the counter, although the opposing player can reduce the remaining amount of time by rapidly pressing any buttons.
Chaos Bind can only be performed by playing as Chaos in the game's two-player mode. To use it, the player must press B + X Button on the ground after collecting 60 Rings. To use it again, the player has to collect another 60 Rings.
Translating to versus battle debates, Chaos has preparation action, which allows Goku to attack anytime.
When Goku goes near Chaos as Chaos launches Chaos Bind, Goku is immobilised. Chaos may spam attack or regen himself while Goku may concentrate ki to break the bind or wait a short time and the lock goes off by itself.
Chaos cannot spam Chaos Bind, and Goku can break free from such bind by using his ki.
Hope this clarifies.
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When using Chaos Bind, Chaos tenses up in a wide pose and uses its hydrokinesis to freeze the air around its opponent, leaving them immobilized. The opposing player's screen will then be covered in a blue tint and a counter counting down from thirty appears. This effect leaves the opponent completely immobilized, making it an ideal way for the user to gain the upper hand in collecting Emerald Shards. Chaos Bind lasts for thirty seconds, which is indicated by the counter, although the opposing player can reduce the remaining amount of time by rapidly pressing any buttons.
Chaos Bind can only be performed by playing as Chaos in the game's two-player mode. To use it, the player must press B + X Button on the ground after collecting 60 Rings. To use it again, the player has to collect another 60 Rings.
Translating to versus battle debates, Chaos has preparation action, which allows Goku to attack anytime.
When Goku goes near Chaos as Chaos launches Chaos Bind, Goku is immobilised. Chaos may spam attack or regen himself while Goku may concentrate ki to break the bind or wait a short time and the lock goes off by itself.
Chaos cannot spam Chaos Bind, and Goku can break free from such bind by using his ki.
Hope this clarifies.
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Chaos Bind freezes the air around the opponent and immobilizes them for 30 seconds. Plenty of time to unleash a myriad different energy attacks and watery projectiles.
There is no projectile to be dodged or significant activation period.
There is no projectile to be dodged or significant activation period.
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