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- Universe Survival Saga (Pre-Second UIS) ruby is being used
- fight takes place on patch on remnant
- Using What-If #9 Goku Black
- Speed is equalized
Goku Black:
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Although her Ultra Synergy impress Jiren, I mean it's a Ultra form like Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego of course it didFrom what I'm getting, UI -Sign- Ruby should have the advantage against Kaioken x10 Rose, but doesn't really stand a chance against Black without it. (Considering that his Rose form is only around x10 weaker than Jiren while Ruby doesn't have much scaling around that area, unless I guess we count her impressing him?)
Have you not seen his new scaling?If she's 100% of the time around Suppressed Jiren's level, I think Goku Black gets done in somewhat similarly to Baby Vegito Black, constantly relying on Kaioken to keep up and as such ends up running out of stamina.
Although he scales Manga versions of the characters differently then Anime versions thoYeah, his Kaioken x10 state is listed below Suppressed Jiren in there (How the hell was he keeping up with SSJ4 Broly, no fricking clue lol).
Him being around Ultra Ego Vegeta, even only in Kaioken x10, puts him leagues above Suppressed Jiren, if I'm not mistaken?
Meanwhile Ssj blue Quart who's equal to SSBE Vegeta while having a damn 20,000x boost on top of Blue is still weaker then Dragon Ball RWBY Full Power Jiren but stronger then Base JirenAlthough, I have to say that I don't believe that Full Power Jiren is that much stronger than Suppressed Jiren in the Hyourinjutsu verse (SSJG Gogeta only had a slight edge against Suppressed Jiren but Full Power Jiren isn't even stronger than Kaioken x10 Gogeta, so it's less than x10 that's for sure).
Don't think there's much of a gap between them thoAlthough he scales Manga versions of the characters differently then Anime versions tho
LolMeanwhile Ssj blue Quart who's equal to SSBE Vegeta while having a damn 20,000x boost on top of Blue is still weaker then Dragon Ball RWBY Full Power Jiren but stronger then Base Jiren
Huh, so basically Black and Ruby are in around the same ball park right?Don't think there's much of a gap between them tho
(Both Post-Black Saga SSJB Kaioken x10 Anime Goku and Perfected SSJB Manga Goku are above Kaioken x10 SSJ4 Goku but below him in Kaioken x20)
Ruby's slightly more powerful I believe, and Black has to rely on Kaioken x10 throughout the entire fight, so kinda?Huh, so basically Black and Ruby are in around the same ball park right?
I mean with all her abilities with magic + unbounded limitless growing power (although not as fast as UI and UE can, but Ultra Synergy gives her greater control of movements and power distribution/control then UI and UE)Some of Ruby's powers
- Magic (After unlocking her potential she gained magic, as such she has same magic as Ozma, which he bestowed[41] to the Maidens),
- Statistics Amplification (Magic is able to amplify the strength of a user's abilities)
- Energy Manipulation (Able to conjure and fire blasts of energy like Salem and Ozma[42])
- Telekinesis (Should scale to Salem, who easily crushed a giant Nevermore[43]. Was able to lift and keep both Moro[44] and Granolah in the air without touching them[45])
- Flight (All of the Maidens demonstrated the ability to fly, as did Ozma in his previous incarnations[46])
- Attack Reflection (Winter reflected a laser beam with her ice constructs)
- Elemental Manipulation (The Wizard granted the four Maidens elemental magic and mastery over the forces of nature[47] and thus Ruby should have it)
- Forcefield Creation (Both Cinder and Raven have demonstrated the ability to create elemental barriers[48])
- Ice Manipulation (All Magic users have shown the ability to manipulate ice, including projecting blasts of ice, launching bolts of ice capable of freezing people solid, freezing leaves to use as a barrage of blades, creating ice constructs, and directly freezing opponents solid)
- Fire Manipulation (Cinder is able to launch jets of fire as well as fireballs. Her flames were strong enough to melt through eight layers of Amity Colosseum, which Ruby should at least be superior to)
- Air Manipulation (Both Amber and Penny showed the ability to create offensive blasts of wind, while Cinder created a vortex around her)
- Electricity Manipulation (Raven is able to channel electricity into her strikes, and Amber launched bolts of lightning)
- Earth Manipulation (Cinder combined chunks of rock with fire to create a flaming rock sword)
- Plant Manipulation (The original Spring Maiden demonstrated the ability to create plants[49])
- Temperature Manipulation (Fria was able to lower the temperature in her surroundings to the point that the air and surroundings were being encased in ice and the air physically burned those around her[50])
- Weapon Creation (Penny, Raven, and Cinder have all demonstrated the ability to conjure various elemental weapons)
- Weapon Control (Both Penny and Cinder are able to freely control the weapons they create independent of themselves)
- Explosion Manipulation (Cinder can cause her weapons to explode after launching them as projectiles)
- Breath Attack (Cinder demonstrated the ability to breathe fire)
- Absorption (Penny is able to absorb electricity, which she used to supercharge her lasers[51])
- Regeneration (Low-Mid; Ruby's limitless growing power makes her Aura regenerate at a rapid rate, similar to Hazel. Her regeneration scales to Super Saiyan God Bann, who was stabbed through the stomach and left on the verge of bleeding out, before healing the wound over once revivified)
- Reactive Evolution (When fighting Hit, Ruby lacked a resistance to Time-Skip ability and required analytical prediction to contend against Hit’s abilities. Eventually, Hit improved his Time-Skip and Ruby's analytical prediction didn’t work. In the middle of the fight, Ruby gained resistance by intercepting Hit's Time-Skip. Ruby was affected by Hit's time stop, however the second time she broke through it. In their second fight, Ruby tells Hit that his Time-Skip will no longer work on her, despite the fact that she knows that Hit can improve his Time-Skip)
This isn't to mention Black couldn't possibly sense Ruby's energy in Ultra Synergy + Ruby having past knowledge of Bann Black and Ruby Black's time rings (although she wouldn't know of his skipping of time until she notices it)Goku Black has the Time Ring mastery thing, which should help him evade some attacks from Ruby, and his Kaioken + Healing combo might eventually get him to a level where he doesn't need to rely on Kaioken to survive her attacks/damage her, but he's honestly fighting an uphill battle here and we saw what happens if he overrelies on Kaioken.