Godzilla Revisions 3.6

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This will be simple.

Mechagodzilla

According to this accepted and already in use calculation, Mechagodzilla from the ''Ready Player One'' novel should have Class G LS due to its size and weight.

Shockirus

Their piercing damage should scale with Godzilla's durability. At least Large Star level or higher via piercing damage (as a mutated sea louse, they can cling onto and pierce Godzilla's skin).

Minilla

Minilla needs a new key in his profile for his ''Destroy All Monsters'' self, as according to this databook, after 20 years, he got strong enough to face King Ghidorah:

When Minira was first born, he was still weak, was bullied by Kamakiras and Kumongas, and was even almost eaten. But after Godzilla's parents trained him hard and he learned to wear radiation, he gradually got stronger and stronger and grew up to be able to fight even vicious monsters such as King Ghidorah.

This is also supported by his killing Ghidorah's middle head with a smoke ring.

King Kong

According to some guides, KKE Kong is stronger than the previous Kong that battled Godzilla. This is consistent with another statement from a guidebook that says KKE Kong roar >>>>>>>>>The Matsushiro earthquake, with its loud dice and piercing screams. The said earthquake generated this much energy.

The sound is tens of thousands of times stronger than the Matsushiro earthquake.

4.909079e18

98,181,580,000,000,000,000,000 J for it.

23.465 Teratons

Gorosaurus

According to two guides, he lived inside a volcano. However, he wasn't exposed to the magma, so that's just probably ''Resistance to Heat Manipulation''.

SpaceGodzilla

According to this guidebook, SpaceGodzilla is way faster than Gigan in space, being the #1 fastest kaiju in the franchise up to that point. Spacegodzilla is 2185.07593 times faster by comparing the values given by the guide. Gigan flies at 640,700,000c; multiplying that value by 2185.07593 gives us 1399978100000c for SpaceG's flight speed (still MFTL+ but higher).

As we know, due to calculations, Space Godzilla's crystals are 11.53 times faster than Space Godzilla's flight speed, which would be 16141747000000c (still MFTL+ but higher).

Note: Take note that, due to calculations, we already accept SpaceGodzilla as faster than Gigan.

Original Godzilla

I remade Godzilla's Vapor Breath calc with new information from guides, and I got higher results. Using his Vapor Breath at maximum power, the Original Godzilla can generate Tier 6-B levels of AP, which is supported by guides that state that he can destroy the world.

The Garoga Nuke

Gallavant made a recalculation of his old Garoga Nuke calculation. It is more precise calculating the size of the planet Peaceland, the result is at least two times bigger than the previous calc, PLUS he calculated frame by frame the correct time transcurred within the explosion, the first calculation doesn't do it correctly.


Thoughts?

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Yes yes I agree yes yes. But I think because of the big new feat from GxK, we should wait on that part.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That change to the OG Godzilla has massive scaling ramifications considering it changes the scaling for some of the Godzillas that scale or upscale from him, like GMK Godzilla who is literally OG Godzilla's corpse piloted by a bunch of vengeful spirits.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Changes seem fine.

 

[Arceus0x]

This will be simple.

Mechagodzilla

According to this accepted and already in use calculation, Mechagodzilla from the ''Ready Player One'' novel should have Class G LS due to its size and weight.

Weren't we told we can't use body weight for LS?

Shockirus

Their piercing damage should scale with Godzilla's durability. At least Large Star level or higher via piercing damage (as a mutated sea louse, they can cling onto and pierce Godzilla's skin).

No. Heck no. That thing got murked by a literal guy with a hatchet.

Minilla

Minilla needs a new key in his profile for his ''Destroy All Monsters'' self, as according to this databook, after 20 years, he got strong enough to face King Ghidorah:



This is also supported by his killing Ghidorah's middle head with a smoke ring.

Sure

King Kong

According to some guides, KKE Kong is stronger than the previous Kong that battled Godzilla. This is consistent with another statement from a guidebook that says KKE Kong roar >>>>>>>>>The Matsushiro earthquake, with its loud dice and piercing screams. The said earthquake generated this much energy.



4.909079e18

98,181,580,000,000,000,000,000 J for it.

23.465 Teratons

If we accept this multiplier as legit then... How did you only get 23 teratons?
Tens of thousands of times = 20 to 30 000 at minimum
Earthquake is 7.4 Teratons
This would get you 148000 to 222000 teratons or 148-222 Petatons - High 6-A.

Gorosaurus

According to two guides, he lived inside a volcano. However, he wasn't exposed to the magma, so that's just probably ''Resistance to Heat Manipulation''.

Sure

SpaceGodzilla

According to this guidebook, SpaceGodzilla is way faster than Gigan in space, being the #1 fastest kaiju in the franchise up to that point. Spacegodzilla is 2185.07593 times faster by comparing the values given by the guide. Gigan flies at 640,700,000c; multiplying that value by 2185.07593 gives us 1399978100000c for SpaceG's flight speed (still MFTL+ but higher).

Sure

As we know, due to calculations, Space Godzilla's crystals are 11.53 times faster than Space Godzilla's flight speed, which would be 16141747000000c (still MFTL+ but higher).

No. This is a calculated multiplier and using a calculated multiplier for a calcilation would be calc stackin

Original Godzilla

I remade Godzilla's Vapor Breath calc with new information from guides, and I got higher results. Using his Vapor Breath at maximum power, the Original Godzilla can generate Tier 6-B levels of AP, which is supported by guides that state that he can destroy the world.

Ok

The Garoga Nuke

Gallavant made a recalculation of his old Garoga Nuke calculation. It is more precise calculating the size of the planet Peaceland, the result is at least two times bigger than the previous calc, PLUS he calculated frame by frame the correct time transcurred within the explosion, the first calculation doesn't do it correctly.

Ok

 

[Gasper]

Looks fine.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Weren't we told we can't use body weight for LS?

No. Heck no. That thing got murked by a literal guy with a hatchet.

I think Kiryu can push mechas of comparable size.

Piercing damage doesn't affect Shockirus regular AP and Durability. Take for example Clover's Parasites.

Clover's Parasites

Clover's Parasites are parasitic kaiju created by Paramount Pictures that appeared in the 2008 film, Cloverfield. The newborn monster was covered in over 2,000 dog-sized parasites, designated by the Department of Defense as "HSP", for "Human Scale Parasite". Due to a post-birth ritual (which is...

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[Hellbeast]

That change to the OG Godzilla has massive scaling ramifications considering it changes the scaling for some of the Godzillas that scale or upscale from him, like GMK Godzilla who is literally OG Godzilla's corpse piloted by a bunch of vengeful spirits.

Genuinely, I think all of the Toho Godzillas benefit from this because everyone either is stronger then the '54 Goji or is the '54 Goji. That said, I do want to see if there's anything up with the calc because 6-B for the water feels insane

 

[Catzlaflame]

As we know, due to calculations, Space Godzilla's crystals are 11.53 times faster than Space Godzilla's flight speed, which would be 16141747000000c (still MFTL+ but higher).

Yea this is Calc Stacking

Rest is fine though

 

[Arceus0x]

I think Kiryu can push mechas of comparable size.

bring evidence

Piercing damage doesn't affect Shockirus regular AP and Durability. Take for example Clover's Parasites.

First of all it makes 0 sense even for Clover's parasytes. Piercing damage is damage higher than your AP simply because your body part is sharp. Being several hundred times than your own AP because of piercing damage makes no sense unless your teeth or claws are magical or have a dura neg property.
Here you are proposing a creature that's like 9-C to have High 4-C or 4-B AP. Do you not see the insanity??? This is a difference beyond decillions!
Piercing damage is when you apply high AP on a very small area of the body. Clover is in a realistic setting so them piercing his skin makes sense if they are small. If this isn't how it worked then mosquitoes would be 10-A and 9-C lmao.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

bring evidence

First of all it makes 0 sense even for Clover's parasytes. Piercing damage is damage higher than your AP simply because your body part is sharp. Being several hundred times than your own AP because of piercing damage makes no sense unless your teeth or claws are magical or have a dura neg property.
Here you are proposing a creature that's like 9-C to have High 4-C or 4-B AP. Do you not see the insanity??? This is a difference beyond decillions!
Piercing damage is when you apply high AP on a very small area of the body. Clover is in a realistic setting so them piercing his skin makes sense if they are small. If this isn't how it worked then mosquitoes would be 10-A and 9-C lmao.

The scans are in Kiryu's profile (AP section).

Ok

 

[Arceus0x]

Can't you explain something without being so dramatic?

not until you stop trying to give a bug that got done in by a hatchet to supernova level

The scans are in Kiryu's profile (AP section).

seems legit

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

bring evidence

First of all it makes 0 sense even for Clover's parasytes. Piercing damage is damage higher than your AP simply because your body part is sharp. Being several hundred times than your own AP because of piercing damage makes no sense unless your teeth or claws are magical or have a dura neg property.
Here you are proposing a creature that's like 9-C to have High 4-C or 4-B AP. Do you not see the insanity??? This is a difference beyond decillions!
Piercing damage is when you apply high AP on a very small area of the body. Clover is in a realistic setting so them piercing his skin makes sense if they are small. If this isn't how it worked then mosquitoes would be 10-A and 9-C lmao.

Clover was literally bulletproof yet it was confirmed that the Parasites could dig into his flesh just fine as well as them surviving Clover smashing through a building just to get them off of him.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Yes yes I agree yes yes. But I think because of the big new feat from GxK, we should wait on that part.

what feat

 

[Oiguana2701]

I agree with this all.

 

[Arceus0x]

Clover was literally bulletproof yet it was confirmed that the Parasites could dig into his flesh just fine as well as them surviving Clover smashing through a building just to get them off of him.

9-B and lemme see, ah, also 9-B. This is nowhere near enough for 8-A.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

not until you stop trying to give a bug that got done in by a hatchet to supernova level

seems legit

With all due respect to you. I first have to hear the opinions of other people in this thread before giving a verdict.

 

[Arceus0x]

With all due respect to you. I first have to hear the opinions of other people in this thread before giving a verdict.

even if this gets accepted i'll make a downgrade. It's best to resolve this here.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

even if this gets accepted i'll make a downgrade. It's best to resolve this here.

I asked a calc group member to check this case, hopefully he will come here.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

No need to be so dramatic, Arceus...

Anyway, I don't see too big of an issue with the Shockirus thing personally since we have bigger gaps on the wiki regarding characters with piercing damage and how we deal with those. It's a tricky but pretty common thing in fiction, where a character much physically weaker than another may have a weapon or weapons that can pierce the much stronger character (Wolverine probably being the most famous example, but there are countless others).

Maybe the rules on that will change one day but for now, it's moderately fine.

 

[Arceus0x]

I asked a calc group member to check this case, hopefully he will come here.

...why the hell did you ask a calc group member? Calc group members deal with calcs. You ask thread mods, bureaucrats and admins for this.

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyway, I don't see too big of an issue with the Shockirus thing personally since we have bigger gaps on the wiki regarding characters with piercing damage and how we deal with those. It's a tricky but pretty common thing in fiction, where a character much physically weaker than another may have a weapon or weapons that can pierce the much stronger character (Wolverine probably being the most famous example, but there are countless others).

it is literally a thing that got done in by a hatchet. It's entire role is that it appeared on a ship, killed one guy, jumped at a guy who dodged it easily and then got killed by an axe. If we scale this thing to tier 4 for being a parastye to a 4-B being we might as well scale mosquitoes to mike tyson now.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

what feat

Spoiler

Shimo creates an ice age

 

[DaReaperMan]

it is literally a thing that got done in by a hatchet. It's entire role is that it appeared on a ship, killed one guy, jumped at a guy who dodged it easily and then got killed by an axe. If we scale this thing to tier 4 for being a parastye to a 4-B being we might as well scale mosquitoes to mike tyson now.

How about: It's Durability is dogshit but it's piercing damage is solid

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

...why the hell did you ask a calc group member? Calc group members deal with calcs. You ask thread mods, bureaucrats and admins for this.

Why would I need to call more of them? We already have the approval of two green moderators and one content moderator. Also, Dark Carioca is a very knowledgeable person.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why would I need to call more of them? We already have the approval of two green moderators and one content moderator. Also, Dark Carioca is a very knowledgeable person.

Because Arceus doesn't like one detail that can easily be explained by "bro is a glass cannon with piercing damage"

 

[Arceus0x]

Because Arceus doesn't like one detail that can easily be explained by "bro is a glass cannon with piercing damage"

he would literally get destroyed by his own AP if he can't tank a hatchet to the head.
This isn't some supernatural ability that has special piercing damage. This thing has a 9-C body and a non-supernatural stinger. If this was sueprnatural I'd agree with this but it isn't, it is just a stinger it has that has no buisiness being the tier of a literal supernova.

 

[DaReaperMan]

he would literally get destroyed by his own AP if he can't tank a hatchet to the head.
This isn't some supernatural ability that has special piercing damage. This thing has a 9-C body and a non-supernatural stinger. If this was sueprnatural I'd agree with this but it isn't, it is just a stinger it has that has no buisiness being the tier of a literal supernova.

How about: It's fiction, and stingers Harm 10-Bs to 9-Cs IRL all the time.

My brother in christ, it's head is not it's stinger, for all we know that damn stinger would survive the heat death of the universe!

 

[Arceus0x]

How about: It's fiction, and stingers Harm 10-Bs to 9-Cs IRL all the time.

and yet they aren't 10-B for that, wasps and bees n stuff are all 10-C even if they can harm a 9-B animal.

My brother in christ, it's head is not it's stinger, for all we know that damn stinger would survive the heat death of the universe!

then why the hell would it scale???
The reason why something can do piercing damage is because they shove a durable object with some amount of AP to pierce it. This here ain't it at all. You are arguing that something with 9-C AP that has a presumably tier 4 durability stinger can somehow shove it through tier 4 durability godzilla's skin even though it has no magic or supernatural powers or anything at all. It doesn't matter how tough an object is, if you don't have the AP you won't be able to pierce something actual decillions stronger than you. This means this thing is an outlier and should scale to 9-C for killing people and then getting killed by an axe. That is all.

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

How about: It's Durability is dogshit but it's piercing damage is solid

Exactly lmao, glass cannons exist for a reason

 

[Camerontaylor07]

Agree

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Since it has been more than two days since some of the proposals in this thread were accepted, I proceeded to make the updates.

This can be closed now.