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God vs God: Madoka Kaname vs Demiurge
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I was gonna make this.... But, I'll wait to vote for now.
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Can Demiurge destroy concepts? If not, I don't know that she/they/it can kill Madoka.
That aside, I feel like Madoka has Demi beat anyway. She has virtually all of the same hax, including superior versions of some of Demi's hax, plus other powers unique to her, and her possibly superior regen just seals the deal.
That aside, I feel like Madoka has Demi beat anyway. She has virtually all of the same hax, including superior versions of some of Demi's hax, plus other powers unique to her, and her possibly superior regen just seals the deal.
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No demiurge can't destroy concepts, but she might be one, not sure if ideas=concepts, but she is the literally ideas and dreams of billions of souls.
Demiurge depowered Kukuri from being a god to being a human, so she is above baseline 2-A.
Another thing about her that i am not sure about, demiurge and kukuri might have type 9 immortality, as upon becoming god, kukuri no longer existed in the world, and became an existence that is unknowable to men, and observes all of reality.
Demiurge depowered Kukuri from being a god to being a human, so she is above baseline 2-A.
Another thing about her that i am not sure about, demiurge and kukuri might have type 9 immortality, as upon becoming god, kukuri no longer existed in the world, and became an existence that is unknowable to men, and observes all of reality.
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Hmmm. If that's true, and we consider ideas to be similar to concepts (Further input should be good for this), then I'll switch my vote to inconclusive.
Very similar beings. Good matchup.
Very similar beings. Good matchup.
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what tier is kukuri?Dat Dot said:
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Typical of Kal.
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Technically demiurge is just an it i would say since it's an abstract of the dreams and ideals of billions of souls, men and women etc.
Demiurge is kukuri, liselotte and some other people as well, lieselotte was immortal, and would still regen even if she was erased from existence, logically demiurge is the same, since demiurge is literally her. Plus being the literally embodiment of billions of ideas and dreams, yea regen is combat applicable.
That reminds me, demiurge should have illusion creation since she is lieselotta, she has her phantasmagoria, which creates a city wide illusion that can mind rape, erase memories, and also can negate abilities.
I said above baseline demiurge because she depowered kukuri and is literally her plus some other ppl albeit none of them are on this sort of level, didn't mean she was like 100x above baseline or anything ridiculous like that, just that she is above someone like kukuri who is 2-A.
Demiurge is kukuri, liselotte and some other people as well, lieselotte was immortal, and would still regen even if she was erased from existence, logically demiurge is the same, since demiurge is literally her. Plus being the literally embodiment of billions of ideas and dreams, yea regen is combat applicable.
That reminds me, demiurge should have illusion creation since she is lieselotta, she has her phantasmagoria, which creates a city wide illusion that can mind rape, erase memories, and also can negate abilities.
I said above baseline demiurge because she depowered kukuri and is literally her plus some other ppl albeit none of them are on this sort of level, didn't mean she was like 100x above baseline or anything ridiculous like that, just that she is above someone like kukuri who is 2-A.
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It says Madoka has resistance to Power Nullification
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Ah, got it.
Switching my vote again then to Demiurge from not-SMT
Switching my vote again then to Demiurge from not-SMT
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1 for demiurge i guess.
@Kaltias What do you think about kukuri and demiurge having type 9 immortality? As i posted above, upon becoming god, kukuri no longer existed in the world, and became an existence that is unknowable to men, and an observer to reality, one who cannot but watch the passage of time as a God, who can see all of time and direct it however she wishes.
Is it just non-corporeality? Been looking for another opinion on it.
@Kaltias What do you think about kukuri and demiurge having type 9 immortality? As i posted above, upon becoming god, kukuri no longer existed in the world, and became an existence that is unknowable to men, and an observer to reality, one who cannot but watch the passage of time as a God, who can see all of time and direct it however she wishes.
Is it just non-corporeality? Been looking for another opinion on it.
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I do have scans
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No one has interacted with her though, cause she is unknowable by men, so no one will ever be able to.
After she became god only demiurge interacted with her, and that's when demiurge depowered her, after which demiurge dissappear cause kukuri lost her godhood she couldn't see demiurge anymore.
Have class now, come back to this later.
After she became god only demiurge interacted with her, and that's when demiurge depowered her, after which demiurge dissappear cause kukuri lost her godhood she couldn't see demiurge anymore.
Have class now, come back to this later.
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Yes but what I meant is that it doesn't act as type 9 because type 9 is "your true self is somewhere else and you interact with others with projections of it".
For her, it's either you interact with her or you don't, from what i'm reading.
Like, the difference with Madoka is that no one can interact with her true self, but everyone can interact with her m-bodies. While no one can interact with Satsuki and she doesn't use m-bodies or anything.
For her, it's either you interact with her or you don't, from what i'm reading.
Like, the difference with Madoka is that no one can interact with her true self, but everyone can interact with her m-bodies. While no one can interact with Satsuki and she doesn't use m-bodies or anything.
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Good point, so it's just non-corporeality then.
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The SMT looking being should take this via regen, precognition and a lot more hax to utilize as opposed to Godoka.
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Pretty much.
Demiurge can't exactly kill ppl like madoka with mid-godly regen, unless her probability hax can do it, i mean Kakeru a weaker character with the same power, killed Liselotte who has mid godly regen due to his probability hax that can make anything happen as long as there is an infinitesimal chance of it happening.
The problem is madoka's immortality, Demiurge can't affect her true self.
Demiurge can't exactly kill ppl like madoka with mid-godly regen, unless her probability hax can do it, i mean Kakeru a weaker character with the same power, killed Liselotte who has mid godly regen due to his probability hax that can make anything happen as long as there is an infinitesimal chance of it happening.
The problem is madoka's immortality, Demiurge can't affect her true self.
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It's not about her having the ability, so much as there existing a future in which madoka can be harmed or killed, kakeru killed lieselotta because he found a future in the infinite possibilities that exist for the future, in which lieselott didn't have her immortality.
So if there is a future in which madoka can be harmed or killed, demiurge could make it happen due to probability hax.
Not sure, madoka's acausality probably covers that though.
So if there is a future in which madoka can be harmed or killed, demiurge could make it happen due to probability hax.
Not sure, madoka's acausality probably covers that though.
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Well, Madoka's old self was literally deleted from the multiverse. Her true self now exists outside of it and isn't bound to it.
Here is a very brief explanation (one is from Homura so scaling to Madoka is debatable)
Here is a very brief explanation (one is from Homura so scaling to Madoka is debatable)
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Basic degree that comes with 4D omnipresence. Singularity of cause and effect. Exist outside the space-time of the multiverse. Unfazed after a multiversal+ retcon that was rewriting past, present, future and causal laws. (Homura) They are entities with no beginning nor end. Madoka was also able to manifest before actually coming into existence during PMHT. |
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How it works in 11 eyes is the future basically branches off into infinite paths, and has an infinite amount of possibilities that could occur, so while the present lieselott was immortal, in the future because there is an infinite possibilities, there was one where she wasn't immortal, and the eye of aeon made that one real, not sure if acausality covers probability manipulation.
Coming back to this later, have class again.
Coming back to this later, have class again.
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Well guess probability manipulation won't work then.
1 for inconclusive.
1 for inconclusive.
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How does Demiurge's Power Null and Memory Manip work?
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It's part of it's phantasmagoria ability which it has from lieselotte, it creates a city wide illusion in which, it can erase memories, control minds, emotions.
Power null is part of the same ability but different, in that it negates abilities, it used it to depower kukuri. Kukuri whom, demiurge literally is and has all her abilities, also erased all the memories of her from an entire city of people.
Power null is part of the same ability but different, in that it negates abilities, it used it to depower kukuri. Kukuri whom, demiurge literally is and has all her abilities, also erased all the memories of her from an entire city of people.
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Okay, then probably Demiurge wins since Madoka wasn't able to counter those when it was used on her by Homura.
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