Genshin Tier List

[Puppet43]

Yes being a descender is a level of a power because thats just how strong they are.

Can we talk about how the 3rd Descender got litterally chopped to make the gnosis?, which most likely was PO which did it?

Uhh.. Do you think "Destroy the world, Create the world, Sustain the world and Protect the world"
isn't something that can be done without power?

The Chinese scan talks about Will, even futher prooven by Traveler Will making him survive Gosoy were Will was important asf

Or it's speculative based on the Nark yap

Funny speculation

Create the world: Phanes create the world of Teyvat.

He didnt create it, he just reshaped a goofy planet/continent

Being a descender is more than enough, you wanna put him at most Archon Level? Pfft name me an Archon who can rival the whole world, name me an Archon who can do bunch of those things said by Rene.

Ngl, all high lvl archon (Mavu, Ei, Zhongli and Barbatos) would kinda last the same time as Prime Traveler in the cutscene. Being oneshotted isnt a feat dude

Yeah literally 5 vs 1 Planet/Light Realm

There no proof that anything outside the sovereings took part in the fight, of course it would make sense for the entire planet to be as the same lvl as their stronger warriors, 0 plot holes

Pfft that Fraud > Teyvat

That fraud in his strongest (Pyro) gets mauled by: 4 Shades, 5 Sinners, Primordial One, Nibelung, 2nd who came, Neuvilette (Full Authority), The 7 og Sovereings, Xbalanque, Gosoythoth, Mavuika (With/without Ronova amp), Ei, The Shogun Puppet, Venti, Dvalin and Durin. Probably Pierro, Tsarita, Narwhal and Skirk?

The Dragons lasted long enough because they were powerful enough to, the Travelers visibly aren't anywhere near competent enough to fight a Shade extensively even when double teaming

That it to say, we dont know if that was even a Shade, maybe it was a weaker celestial god

Buddy she literally introduce herself just by like 2-3 seconds and then she attacked them, what are u talking about

Dragon didnt get a proper introduction, they were most likely Nuked and were just fine for 40 years (and even some still alive, Apep goat)

while i already said they're caught off guard and not unleash all of their power yet lmao

This statment is baseless asf

 

[MSahla]

Can we talk about how the 3rd Descender got litterally chopped to make the gnosis?, which most likely was PO which did it?

So?

The Chinese scan talks about Will, even futher prooven by Traveler Will making him survive Gosoy were Will was important asf

And do you even think that Destroying the World or Creating the world is something that isn't done by a power? Do you think people really destroy the world just by their willpower and they just stood there?

Funny speculation

He didnt create it, he just reshaped a goofy planet/continent

Nuh uh, the before sun and moon still said that Phanes created the Earh, furthermore in Cyno's Signature, Phanes is also created the Sun and the Moons.

Literally just read Cyno's signature, thats how phanes created the earth.

Ngl, all high lvl archon (Mavu, Ei, Zhongli and Barbatos) would kinda last the same time as Prime Traveler in the cutscene. Being oneshotted isnt a feat dude

Until you realized that the traveler isn't going all out yet.

There no proof that anything outside the sovereings took part in the fight, of course it would make sense for the entire planet to be as the same lvl as their stronger warriors, 0 plot holes

??? do you even forgetting what Kukulkan said? He literally participated in that war against them, so its not just the seven sovereigns and nibelung but also their follower across the planet

That fraud in his strongest (Pyro) gets mauled by: 4 Shades, 5 Sinners, Primordial One, Nibelung, 2nd who came, Neuvilette (Full Authority), The 7 og Sovereings, Xbalanque, Gosoythoth, Mavuika (With/without Ronova amp), Ei, The Shogun Puppet, Venti, Dvalin and Durin. Probably Pierro, Tsarita, Narwhal and Skirk?

Heres the simple of the strongest in order (as of current lore), im not counting the second descender yet bcs its too vague abt who it is
1. Phanes
2. Nibelung
3. Four shades

4. Traveler
5. Seven Sovereigns
6. 5 Sinners
↑ these are people who's "AT LEAST" Can rival/equal to the world

That it to say, we dont know if that was even a Shade, maybe it was a weaker celestial god

Dragon didnt get a proper introduction, they were most likely Nuked and were just fine for 40 years (and even some still alive, Apep goat)

No they didn't fine at all, Phanes literally froze Xiuhcoatl in Lava causing him into a false death so that they can create the seven elements using Pyro Dragon's Power (Phlogiston)

This statment is baseless asf

Not really just use your logic, like why do you even think that a descender who can create the world, destroy the world, sustain the world and protect the world has only the abilities to Fly and Yellow lightning?

 

[Puppet43]

So?

"Descender" isnt a power lvl, is just an adjetive

And do you even think that Destroying the World or Creating the world is something that isn't done by a power?

That's were the "hypothesis" comes in, thats just Rene hypothesis

Nuh uh, the before sun and moon still said that Phanes created the Earh

HOW DID HE CREATE THE PLANET WHEN THE SOVEREINGS WERE ALREADY LIVING ON IT AND IN FACT THE 5.5 ARTIFACT SET LITTERALLY SAYS THAT

Phanes is also created the Sun and the Moons.

The moons were witnesses of the Voyager arrival to the planet, that already debunks PO creating them. And the sun could pretty much refering to the GIANT AHH DOME, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, TEYVAT SKY IS FAKE, THERE NO STAR,

Literally just read Cyno's signature, thats how phanes created the earth.

She once described the night sky adorned with three bright moons to me in a language I have now forgotten
The first line litterally tells u that is a story in a language that he himself has forgotten, so there may be translation errors or he may forget details.

Until you realized that the traveler isn't going all out yet.

No proof still of this goofy assumption

do you even forgetting what Kukulkan said? He literally participated in that war against them, so its not just the seven sovereigns and nibelung but also their follower across the planet

Until you start thinking and discover that "participating in a war" can also mean tactically, which is most likely what Kukulkan does, since he's implied to be a physically weak dragon of that era. And again, saying the entire planet was on par with the strongest seven destroys the narrative beyond belief, so it would be 5 vs. 7 and 6,000 ants.

Heres the simple of the strongest in order (as of current lore), im not counting the second descender yet bcs its too vague abt who it is

Phanes > 2nd who came = Nibelung > Sinners > Shades > Durin > Xbalanque > Full Authority Dragons = Skirk > Narwhal > Mavuika Amped > High Tier Archons and Characters equals (The Shogun Puppet, Gosoy, Dvalin, etc) = Traveler

No they didn't fine at all, Phanes literally froze Xiuhcoatl in Lava causing him into a false death so that they can create the seven elements using Pyro Dragon's Power (Phlogiston)

And that happend in the first 4s of the fight like what happend with The Traveler?

Not really just use your logic, like why do you even think that a descender who can create the world, destroy the world, sustain the world and protect the world has only the abilities to Fly and Yellow lightning?

You dont need to showcase 500000 Quadrillion abilities to be represented/shown/implied to be strong. Again back to square 1, baseless assumption

3. Four shades

6. 5 Sinners

How u have shades above sinners when the Archon quest litterally told us "Hey dude, a sinner has breakfast some Shade". This is the same as saying "Signora would defeat Ei" "Tartaglia would destroy Neuvi" "Pantalone could low diff Capitano". Sahl, every time u speak u somehow destroy the narrative

 

[MSahla]

"Descender" isnt a power lvl, is just an adjetive

Being a descender already grant you those abilities

That's were the "hypothesis" comes in, thats just Rene hypothesis

Its not Hypothesis whatsoever
Rene literally do his research and literally go to Khaenriah, thats why he said that lmao

The term of "Descender" Is found in Khaenriah especially Pierro

HOW DID HE CREATE THE PLANET WHEN THE SOVEREINGS WERE ALREADY LIVING ON IT AND IN FACT THE 5.5 ARTIFACT SET LITTERALLY SAYS THAT

It says the World was made a new, The Light Realm is very different than the Human Realm, as if its not a real planet.

In Cyno's Signature, it already said that Phanes Created the Sun and the Moons (moon sisters) and then Weight (Gravity)

The moons were witnesses of the Voyager arrival to the planet, that already debunks PO creating them. And the sun could pretty much refering to the GIANT AHH DOME, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, TEYVAT SKY IS FAKE, THERE NO STAR,

The star is still real even though its a fake sky, the fake sky is an eggshell like a shield to protect the Planet.

She once described the night sky adorned with three bright moons to me in a language I have now forgotten
The first line litterally tells u that is a story in a language that he himself has forgotten, so there may be translation errors or he may forget details.

Theres no Translations error whatsoever, he once remember what malikata's language when she tells him about them, but now he forgot that language not the points that she told him about those things lol

No proof still of this goofy assumption

Yet my assumptioms has a back up

Until you start thinking and discover that "participating in a war" can also mean tactically, which is most likely what Kukulkan does, since he's implied to be a physically weak dragon of that era.

So thats just your headcanon then the bold one, and no, Kukulkan is not a weak dragon where the hell did you even get that lmao

And again, saying the entire planet was on par with the strongest seven destroys the narrative beyond belief, so it would be 5 vs. 7 and 6,000 ants.

.i never said the entire planet was onpar with those seven, they just helped them.
No need that seven, Those "6000 ants" you said is stronger than any archon

Phanes > 2nd who came = Nibelung > Sinners > Shades > Durin > Xbalanque > Full Authority Dragons = Skirk > Narwhal > Mavuika Amped > High Tier Archons and Characters equals (The Shogun Puppet, Gosoy, Dvalin, etc) = Traveler

4 Shades combined > Sinners
Shades has more destructive power and even hax (especially istaroth)

Did bro really put Durin above Xbalanque and Above sovereigns? Just how delusional you are. Durin is just Dvalin level who's not even one of the sovereings/strongest elemental dragon lmao.

Xbalanque should be grateful that Xiuhcoatl create his own weakness and had already been corroded by the abyss, if Xiuhcoatl hadn't created his weakness he can't be harmed in any possible way.

Saying durin stronger than dvalin while Dvalin killed him is just delusional final boss lol

And that happend in the first 4s of the fight like what happend with The Traveler?

You dont need to showcase 500000 Quadrillion abilities to be represented/shown/implied to be strong. Again back to square 1, baseless assumption

Its not baseless, rene's quote regarding the descenders already proves it

How u have shades above sinners when the Archon quest litterally told us "Hey dude, a sinner has breakfast some Shade". This is the same as saying "Signora would defeat Ei" "Tartaglia would destroy Neuvi" "Pantalone could low diff Capitano". Sahl, every time u speak u somehow destroy the narrative

?
Rhinedottir did not defeat Naberius in a battle, what are u talking about buddy.
Rhinedottir and Albedo somehow found Naberius' heart in a random ass dungeon and then she ate it, thats just not mean she killed Naberius nor defeat Naberius nor even stronger than naberius or the shades lol

We dont even know how is Naberius heart in a random dungeon.

 

[Puppet43]

Being a descender already grant you those abilities

Yeah, mastery over the elements and resistence to anything related to the Irminsul

Rene literally do his research and literally go to Khaenriah, thats why he said that lmao

The term of "Descender" Is found in Khaenriah especially Pierro

Just because he has study
doesnt mean the thing he studied wasnt a hypothesis, for example "Feather Structures in Tyrannosaurus Rex" just because i reviewed 50 scientific papers about the topic with both agrees and disagrees doesnt mean it stops being an hypothesis since we dont have direct evidence of such
Easier explanation: Rene study => He studied an hypothesis => Why an hypothesis? => Cause no direct evidence

It says the World was made a new, The Light Realm is very different than the Human Realm, as if its not a real planet.

Then what the heck did The voyager visited? An alcohol cloud? A meteor? My PC? Btw, Human Realm is built in top of the Light Realm, which just solificates the fact that those realms arent neccesaraly something physical but how they called an era Era of Dragons = Light Realm, Post Dragon Fallout = Human Realm

Created the Sun and the Moons (moon sisters) and then Weight (Gravity)

I already debunked the star and moons, Gravity should had existed just by the logic that without gravity a planet would collapse on itself. Nabu glazing PO saying he created Gravity lol

The star is still real even though its a fake sky, the fake sky is an eggshell like a shield to protect the Planet.

No sahl, is a god damn projection. The sun is not inside the dome, the sky is a projection in the dome

he once remember what malikata's language when she tells him about them, but now he forgot that language not the points that she told him about those things lol

Sure, try to denied what the game has told us

Yet my assumptioms has a back up

The back up:

So thats just your headcanon then the bold one, and no, Kukulkan is not a weak dragon where the hell did you even get that lmao

Not a headcanon, in fact all his stories just glaze his intelligence not his physical prowess like some others Sovereings coof

i never said the entire planet was onpar with those seven, they just helped them.
No need that seven, Those "6000 ants" you said is stronger than any archon

Yeah bro, totally, the newborn dragon can destroy continents by breathing air (Litterally common vishaps are like Geo Traveler victims)

4 Shades combined > Sinners
Shades has more destructive power and even hax (especially istaroth)

So u need the entire team to be above 1 sinner?

Did bro really put Durin above Xbalanque and Above sovereigns? Just how delusional you are. Durin is just Dvalin level who's not even one of the sovereings/strongest elemental dragon lmao.

Xbalanque should be grateful that Xiuhcoatl create his own weakness and had already been corroded by the abyss, if Xiuhcoatl hadn't created his weakness he can't be harmed in any possible way.

Saying durin stronger than dvalin while Dvalin killed him is just delusional final boss lol

Did we forget the fact that Durin was "drugged" by the abyss while fighting the entire knight of favonious, Vennessa, Prime Barbatos and a Dvalin amped by the Archon? Amazing jumping, just like Sukuna. And about Pyro Sovereing, is never stated it couldnt bee harmed

rene's quote regarding the descenders already proves it

Which were debunked by my drunked ass

Rhinedottir did not defeat Naberius in a battle, what are u talking about buddy.
Rhinedottir and Albedo somehow found Naberius' heart in a random ass dungeon and then she ate it, thats just not mean she killed Naberius nor defeat Naberius nor even stronger than naberius or the shades lol

We dont even know how is Naberius heart in a random dungeon.

Yeah, ofc, Gold's teeth munching on a Shade skin doesnt mean she upscales a shade

Anyways, bad rage bait didn't even fall for it

 

[Giannysmag]

Durin > Xbalanque > Full Authority Dragons

God damn it Puppet

 

[MSahla]

Yeah, mastery over the elements and resistence to anything related to the Irminsul

And bunch of these
Destroy, Create, Sustain and Protect the world

Just because he has study
doesnt mean the thing he studied wasnt a hypothesis, for example "Feather Structures in Tyrannosaurus Rex" just because i reviewed 50 scientific papers about the topic with both agrees and disagrees doesnt mean it stops being an hypothesis since we dont have direct evidence of such
Easier explanation: Rene study => He studied an hypothesis => Why an hypothesis? => Cause no direct evidence

Yet it wasn't hypothesis at all, he got that information literally from Khaenriah what are u talking about, he got the knowledge of the descenders literally from Khaenriah who found this term of Descender.

Phanes already did what all rene said about the descender, thats just proves it all

Then what the heck did The voyager visited? An alcohol cloud? A meteor? My PC? Btw, Human Realm is built in top of the Light Realm, which just solificates the fact that those realms arent neccesaraly something physical but how they called an era Era of Dragons = Light Realm, Post Dragon Fallout = Human Realm

Light realm is most likely a realm without Physical Bodies.

I already debunked the star and moons, Gravity should had existed just by the logic that without gravity a planet would collapse on itself. Nabu glazing PO saying he created Gravity lol

Bro literally said Nabu glazing Phanes lmaoo
She literally explained how the world was created by Phanes, what are u talking abt lil bro

No sahl, is a god damn projection. The sun is not inside the dome, the sky is a projection in the dome

Its inside, outside of that false sky literally just red sky.

Sure, try to denied what the game has told us

Nobody denying nobody lmao, thats just how it is.

The back up:

Not a headcanon, in fact all his stories just glaze his intelligence not his physical prowess like some others Sovereings coof

Nuh uh, he already said that The dragons are too powerful, they're imprisoned by power.

Yeah bro, totally, the newborn dragon can destroy continents by breathing air (Litterally common vishaps are like Geo Traveler victims)

Vishaps ≠ Ancient Dragons
Vishaps aren't true dragons either

So u need the entire team to be above 1 sinner?

Not really, Istaroth alone is enough

Did we forget the fact that Durin was "drugged" by the abyss while fighting the entire knight of favonious, Vennessa, Prime Barbatos and a Dvalin amped by the Archon?

??? Brother, Durin is the Abyss itself and Rhinedottir gave him a Dragon Form. He literally born from the Abyss lol

and no, He's not fighting Vanessa or Venti at the same Time, Durin fought Dvalin 500 years ago and Venessa is from a thousand years ago he didn't fought the entire KoF whatsoever.

Venti just sealed his remains in dragonspine

Amazing jumping, just like Sukuna. And about Pyro Sovereing, is never stated it couldnt bee harmed

Yeah dont know if you skipped the dialogue but Kukulkan Literally said that Xiuhcoatl couldn't be harmed in any possible way if he hadn't created his weakness

Which were debunked by my drunked ass

Bros not debunking anything

Yeah, ofc, Gold's teeth munching on a Shade skin doesnt mean she upscales a shade

Anyway, that doesn't mean Sinners are above the shades

Anyways, bad rage bait didn't even fall for it

Facts ≠ Ragebait

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

@Puppet43, what's with that cute pfp shit of urs?

 

[Giannysmag]

@Puppet43, what's with that cute pfp shit of urs?

It's from peak

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

It's from peak

Looks like a child to me.

 

[Giannysmag]

Looks like a child to me.

They're both high schoolers

 

[Puppet43]

It's from peak

Spit those facts

 

[Puppet43]

God damn it Puppet

Shhh babe, Durin oneshots verse, he is just very humble

Destroy, Create, Sustain and Protect the world

Sahl, you dont accepting the fact that this statment has no evidence isnt gonna make it more credible

Yet it wasn't hypothesis at all, he got that information literally from Khaenriah what are u talking about, he got the knowledge of the descenders literally from Khaenriah who found this term of Descender.

Is not HIS hypothesis, is the Hypothesis FROM THE KHAENRIANHS, look at the example i gave u

Phanes already did what all rene said about the descender, thats just proves it all

Definition of Outlier

Light realm is most likely a realm without Physical Bodies.

The voyager had to land somewhere and the 3 moons had to be attracted by a bigger celestial body than a moon

She literally explained how the world was created by Phanes, what are u talking abt lil bro

Equivalent to a Christian telling you that God created the world, gravity and everything in it (even though we have evidence in both cases of the formation of a planet before [The arrival of Phanes] and [The creation of the Earth in the Bible that supposedly happened 4000 years ago]

Its inside, outside of that false sky literally just red sky.

Sahl, these are the stars inside the dome and what the heck you mean "red sky outside of the dome"? we just saw a "Moon" in the middle of a void

Nobody denying nobody lmao, thats just how it is.

I already explained how

Nuh uh, he already said that The dragons are too powerful, they're imprisoned by power.

And what the hell does this have anything to do with "Traveler wasnt going all out against HPoS"

Vishaps ≠ Ancient Dragons
Vishaps aren't true dragons either

Dont mess with Genshin fans, we would goon and expect to understand the lore

Istaroth alone is enough

Naberius won't agree with u ngl

??? Brother, Durin is the Abyss itself and Rhinedottir gave him a Dragon Form. He literally born from the Abyss lol

and no, He's not fighting Vanessa or Venti at the same Time, Durin fought Dvalin 500 years ago and Venessa is from a thousand years ago he didn't fought the entire KoF whatsoever.

Venti just sealed his remains in dragonspine

Is kinda implied and almost confirm that bro tought he was playing and goofing with Venti & Dvalin
The only animation of Durin itself litteraly says in a flowery language that he murder the knights and Venessa, and a little reminder that Venessa is a god, the Falcon. Yeah my bad he only fought THE GRAND MASTER AND HIS STRONGEST FORCES???
Funny, Venti confirmed to take part in bro's jumping

Yeah dont know if you skipped the dialogue but Kukulkan Literally said that Xiuhcoatl couldn't be harmed in any possible way if he hadn't created his weakness

Lets believe a drider word before the game itself right? If he was so invincible, why did he lost against PO and 4 Shades?

Bros not debunking anything

Lol, even lmao

Anyway, that doesn't mean Sinners are above the shades

Guys, Signora being oneshotted by Ei doesnt mean she would had lost against her

Ragebait

Fr, we all knew you were this type of person

 

[PedjaTarzan]

this shit would revive genshin impact if this was debated in the verses discusion thread

 

[Giannysmag]

Shhh babe, Durin oneshots verse, he is just very humble

 

[MSahla]

Shhh babe, Durin oneshots verse, he is just very humble

Raiden's victim

Sahl, you dont accepting the fact that this statment has no evidence isnt gonna make it more credible

Phanes already did all of those

Is not HIS hypothesis, is the Hypothesis FROM THE KHAENRIANHS, look at the example i gave u

Its not a Hypothesis buddy what are u talking about

And what the hell does this have anything to do with "Traveler wasnt going all out against HPoS"

?? Were talking about those dragons buddy

Dont mess with Genshin fans, we would goon and expect to understand the lore

How funny while all of them said that Vishaps "WILL" eventually become a true dragon so any bathysmal vishap or Geovishaps aren't true dragons yet

Naberius won't agree with u ngl

And how is that? Is it because Rhinedottir? Already told you that she never defeat naberius in battle

Is kinda implied and almost confirm that bro tought he was playing and goofing with Venti & Dvalin

No, thats just his personality because Durin is basically a kid who wants to play with the others but unfortunately Mondstadters saw him as a monster.

Yeah my bad he only fought THE GRAND MASTER AND HIS STRONGEST FORCES???

This doesn't confirmed that he fought durin, he went to Khaenriah and died there, the battle between durin vs dvalin was in mondstadt

Funny, Venti confirmed to take part in bro's jumping

Just because they worked together to defeat Durin doesn't mean Durin is stronger than Both of them

Lets believe a drider word before the game itself right? If he was so invincible, why did he lost against PO and 4 Shades?

Simply he was froze in Lava by Phanes, thats also doesn't mean phanes and the four shades harmed him.

And i dont mean that Phanes and the four shades couldn't harmed him they have a chance but people from Human Realm does NOT have any chance to harmed him.

Guys, Signora being oneshotted by Ei doesnt mean she would had lost against her

So Rhine is stronger than all of the shades just because she found Naberius' heart in a random dungeon and then she eat it? What a mindset.
using Raiden and Signora case is a false equivalence because Raiden defeat signora while Rhine is just ate her heart and not defeat her in a battle lmao

Fr, we all knew you were this type of person

Funny you cut some of the words

 

[Puppet43]

Raiden's victim

We can debate it on Dc, unless you don't wanna see yourself humbled again

Phanes already did all of those

To bad i already explain what Phanes is compared to the other 3 descenders

Its not a Hypothesis buddy what are u talking about

Then go a head and proof where the heck does the Traveler/3rd or 2nd Descender create or destroy a planet. Oh wait, there's no such thing; is as if it was a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

?? Were talking about those dragons buddy

No, that line specificaly was for "Traveler going out on the SoHP"

How funny while all of them said that Vishaps "WILL" eventually become a true dragon so any bathysmal vishap or Geovishaps aren't true dragons yet

The "WILL" there is because THEY ARE JUVENILE DRAGONS, Bro could be looking at a lion's cub and say "yeah, thats not a lion is a cub"

And how is that? Is it because Rhinedottir? Already told you that she never defeat naberius in battle

Then tell me Sahl, how did a Shade ended up in a human stomach?

No, thats just his personality because Durin is basically a kid who wants to play with the others but unfortunately Mondstadters saw him as a monster.

As expected from a Genshin fan, there's little narrative insight; the poem is literally telling you that he "woke up" after being bitten by Dvalin, which is a substance that's been mentioned several times to produce a kind of sleepwalking where reality becomes distorted?

This doesn't confirmed that he fought durin, he went to Khaenriah and died there, the battle between durin vs dvalin was in mondstadt

I like how you cut Venti's story where he mentions that both the Lion and the Falcon perished before the Dragon's claws.

Just because they worked together to defeat Durin doesn't mean Durin is stronger than Both of them

In both scans sent it is clearly stated "they fought side by side" and "combined effort" so yeah Durin is upscaling both

Simply he was froze in Lava by Phanes, thats also doesn't mean phanes and the four shades harmed him.

And i dont mean that Phanes and the four shades couldn't harmed him

These 2 texts are the most contradictory thing created by humanity

false equivalence because Raiden defeat signora

She defeated a weakend Signora* therefore Prime Signora could low diff Ei

 

[Giannysmag]

We can debate it on Dc, unless you wanna see yourself humbled again

Nah do it here so we can make fun of you two

 

[PedjaTarzan]

and do it in actual discussion thread, not here i you need audience

 

[Puppet43]

Human Durin and Neuvi vs Shades, they are saving Teyvat

 

[MSahla]

We can debate it on Dc, unless you don't wanna see yourself humbled again

Just give me one good reason here buddy . Your proof of Venti and Dvalim being stronger than Raiden is completely ass assumption and logical matching
"Dvalin is from the heavens means he's from celestia while celestia is stronger than archons" Lmaoo

"Comes from celestia = celestia level"

Those weak ass angels who's literally comes from Celestia is not even archons level nor even Top 3 Harbingers level.

(FYI, that debate is basically me vs Puppet & The Judge so its 2v1 )

To bad i already explain what Phanes is compared to the other 3 descenders

No you haven't buddy.

Then go a head and proof where the heck does the Traveler/3rd or 2nd Descender create or destroy a planet. Oh wait, there's no such thing; is as if it was a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

Those feat is not happened yet but i know they can do that

No, that line specificaly was for "Traveler going out on the SoHP"

And we're bringing out the Dragons topic anyway? And youre the one who bring that up

The "WILL" there is because THEY ARE JUVENILE DRAGONS, Bro could be looking at a lion's cub and say "yeah, thats not a lion is a cub"

Vishaps are still not a True Dragons, And they're not "Pure".

Then tell me Sahl, how did a Shade ended up in a human stomach?

????
She found that heart in a random dungeon, not like she killed naberius and then take her heart and then eat it.

We dont even know how is Naberius' heart in a random ass dungeon.

As expected from a Genshin fan, there's little narrative insight; the poem is literally telling you that he "woke up" after being bitten by Dvalin, which is a substance that's been mentioned several times to produce a kind of sleepwalking where reality becomes distorted?

So you think he's like sleepwalking and not really woke up, then if he's really woke up he would beat all of them? Pfftt

I like how you cut Venti's story where he mentions that both the Lion and the Falcon perished before the Dragon's claws.

And yet you contradicted yourself with the proof you gave me buddy, Your proof said that knight was died in Khaenri'ah so what are u trying to proof here buddy

In both scans sent it is clearly stated "they fought side by side" and "combined effort" so yeah Durin is upscaling both

Yea thats just simply they want to end the fight asap by combining their power which would make it an instant kill.

And thats doesn't necessarily means Durin is stronger, everyone should know this lol

These 2 texts are the most contradictory thing created by humanity

Not really, Phanes and 4 Shades does have a chance but theres no proof of them harming Xiuhcoatl physically when they frozed Xiuhcoatl in Lava.

If you're always saying Durin is stronger than Sovereigns.. Well good luck trying to harmed Xiuhcoatl
Ahem, Phlogiston power > Abyssal power.

She defeated a weakend Signora* therefore Prime Signora could low diff Ei

You alone on this one (also with.durin stronger than sovereigns/archons) xixi

 

[Puppet43]

No you haven't buddy.

ez

but i know they can do that

"I know"

And we're bringing out the Dragons topic anyway? And youre the one who bring that up

So changing topic because yk u can defend that?

Vishaps are still not a True Dragons

Are you using a summary from the wiki that doesn't even have a reference to substantiate said mention, when if you look closely you'll find several references in the game that disprove that?

And they're not "Pure".

That only mentions that the vishap hydro are not pure enough to create a sovereign, that does not take away their "Dragon" species identity, the sovereigns are the title given to the strongest elemental dragons.
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Think of it this way: Vishap (Young Dragon) => Dragon (Mature Species) => Sovereing (Title of the strongest per element)

She found that heart in a random dungeon, not like she killed naberius and then take her heart and then eat it.

Sahl, if you know any basic biology you'll know that the heart is located inside the rib cage. For her to eat her heart, she had to cut open Naberius's chest. Unless you think shades can be dismembered with kitchen knives, I don't really know what you're getting at.

So you think he's like sleepwalking and not really woke up, then if he's really woke up he would beat all of them? Pfftt

I don't think so, it's implied and if a sleepwalking/drugged Durin could cause such a level of beating, I would highly doubt that an awake Durin aware of his surroundings would put less of a fight (Unless he was Zenitsu or something).

And yet you contradicted yourself with the proof you gave me buddy, Your proof said that knight was died in Khaenri'ah so what are u trying to proof here buddy

Of course, because dying in x place and being killed by x character is contradictory...? Sahl, you know that Durin didn't magically appear in Mond and the journey had to be made from Khaenriah, right? The swim to Mondstandt, which is believable considering Khaenriah is an underground nation, blah blah blah

Yea thats just simply they want to end the fight asap by combining their power which would make it an instant kill.

And thats doesn't necessarily means Durin is stronger, everyone should know this lol

If they required each other's help, that means that in a 1v1 confrontation, it would be Durin who would win both matches. + You're killing the whole concept of powerscaling with that nonsense you just said.

Not really, Phanes and 4 Shades does have a chance but theres no proof of them harming Xiuhcoatl physically when they frozed Xiuhcoatl in Lava.

So frozen lava upscales PO, Shades and Sovereings? The planet destroyers are useless when lava appears?@Giannysmag take notes, your goat is low diffed by Frozen Lava

Ahem, Phlogiston power > Abyssal power.

Is both ways, Phlogiston is just a fancy word for Great Pyro Manip. And elements can be affected by Abyssal energy (Thats why PO had to close the planet so nothing can leak inside and destroy teyvat)

You alone on this one (also with.durin stronger than sovereigns/archons) xixi

"Ellos odiaban a jesus por decir la verdad"

"Comes from celestia = celestia level"

Those weak ass angels who's literally comes from Celestia is not even archons level nor even Top 3 Harbingers level.

But Sahl, the Seelie have been implied several times that the strongest are comparable to gods of Teyvat (like Nabu and the Lord of the Night), so they would be the exception, not the rule to the power of celestial creatures. I'm not going to tell you that Dvalin is Shade level or anything like that, but the power hierarchy says that Celestia > Teyvat

"Dvalin is from the heavens means he's from celestia while celestia is stronger than archons"

20 years could go by and you still might not know how to debunk that.

(FYI, that debate is basically me vs Puppet & The Judge so its 2v1 )

Do you have any evidence to support such accusations, or is it just because you're salty about losing to me in a formal debate? And if you're so worried about the judge, we could, if you want, bring in someone who's against this topic, like Gianny.

 

[MSahla]

So changing topic because yk u can defend that?

Im not the one who changing the topic? Its you lil bro

Are you using a summary from the wiki that doesn't even have a reference to substantiate said mention, when if you look closely you'll find several references in the game that disprove that?

As if like you're not too? Lmao

That only mentions that the vishap hydro are not pure enough to create a sovereign, that does not take away their "Dragon" species identity, the sovereigns are the title given to the strongest elemental dragons.
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Think of it this way: Vishap (Young Dragon) => Dragon (Mature Species) => Sovereing (Title of the strongest per element)

When the sovereign born they're already the strongest elemental lifeform/dragon, not like they're the vishaps first.

Just like Neuvillette who was born and already the hydro dragon sovereign.

Sahl, if you know any basic biology you'll know that the heart is located inside the rib cage. For her to eat her heart, she had to cut open Naberius's chest. Unless you think shades can be dismembered with kitchen knives, I don't really know what you're getting at.

???
No? Thats just completely your headcanon.
Albedo's character story already said that they found the Heart not Naberius in that random dungeon.

"But one day, deep in the heart of a dungeon, master and apprentice discovered an artifact known as The Heart of Naberius.
And with that, his master disappeared, leaving naught but a note, a recommendation letter, and a classical text behind"

Rhinedottie DID NOT cut open Naberius' chest whatsoever, thats just completely your headcanon saying She had to cut open her heart.

Of course, because dying in x place and being killed by x character is contradictory...? Sahl, you know that Durin didn't magically appear in Mond and the journey had to be made from Khaenriah, right? The swim to Mondstandt, which is believable considering Khaenriah is an underground nation, blah blah blah

Khaenriah was in the undergound Sumeru and he's not swimming lol.

If they required each other's help, that means that in a 1v1 confrontation, it would be Durin who would win both matches. + You're killing the whole concept of powerscaling with that nonsense you just said.

Oh not really, narrative wise Durin is slightly below Dvalin even without venti's help.

So frozen lava upscales PO, Shades and Sovereings? The planet destroyers are useless when lava appears?@Giannysmag take notes, your goat is low diffed by Frozen Lava

What is bro yapping about lmao

Is both ways, Phlogiston is just a fancy word for Great Pyro Manip. And elements can be affected by Abyssal energy (Thats why PO had to close the planet so nothing can leak inside and destroy teyvat)

Oh not really, Phlogiston ≠ Pyro element.
If you really pay attention to Kukulkan's statements during that Quest, You'll realize just how strong is the power of Phlogiston.

It can burns anything and everything even erasing leylines, even the abyss will never invaded Teyvat again.

"Ellos odiaban a jesus por decir la verdad"

But Sahl, the Seelie have been implied several times that the strongest are comparable to gods of Teyvat (like Nabu and the Lord of the Night) so they would be the exception, not the rule to the power of celestial creatures.

So why the LoTN need Ronova's guidance to create the Night Kingdom if she's literally comes from celestia and having "Celestia Power" Like you said? And why she need Xbalanque to defeat the Pyro Dragon if she's comparable to gods of Teyvat and as you said "hiearchy power celestia > teyvat)??

If she's having "Celestia level power" According to your logic, wouldn't that be easy for Lord of the Night to killed the Pyro Dragon?

This "Celestia Level Power" is never a thing whatsoever, Celestia is where Phanes and the Four Shades lived.

Lord of the Night is not that strong strenght wise, in fact, those NPC said when we bout to enter the Volcano in that quest said that even Lord of the Night cannot reach the inside of the Volcano which is where the Pyro Dragon lived

but the power of hierarchy says Celestia > Teyvat

If its Phanes and the Four Shades.. yeah
Dont know about the Moon Sisters

but the Angels is straight up weak and not that strong, their duty is just to guide Humanity and nothing else.

20 years could go by and you still might not know how to debunk that.

Already in DC, all that merely your assumption.
Also, Ancient Dragons is Celestia's enemy.

Do you have any evidence to support such accusations, or is it just because you're salty about losing to me in a formal debate? And if you're so worried about the judge, we could, if you want, bring in someone who's against this topic, like Gianny.

You're nothing without a judge buddy.

 

[Puppet43]

Its you lil bro

"we talk about Traveler going all out against SoHP, i ask you the proof of such, you ignore it and start yapping about dragons"

As if like you're not too? Lmao

Im not using summaries, im litterally getting info from game such as Archive/Quests

Just like Neuvillette who was born and already the hydro dragon sovereign.

The whole point of Neuvi being in a human body is cause Hydro Dragons arent pure enough to sustain such high noble title and i highly dout he was the strongest just newborn when the Narwhal gave him a tossel, thats why he needed Focalors Authority to win

"But one day, deep in the heart of a dungeon, master and apprentice discovered an artifact known as The Heart of Naberius.
And with that, his master disappeared, leaving naught but a note, a recommendation letter, and a classical text behind"

Rhinedottie DID NOT cut open Naberius' chest whatsoever, thats just completely your headcanon saying She had to cut open her heart.

Oh yeah, Shades can just survive without organs, totally makes senses dude

Khaenriah was in the undergound Sumeru and he's not swimming lol.

If he supposedly came out of the ocean like the book says (which you are clearly ignoring since "a black serpentine dragon, rose from the sea to cast its shadow over Mondstadt" disproves the fact that he didn't swim) he could have made some kind of tunnel from Khaenriah or the city already had long passageways under the nations

Oh not really, Phlogiston ≠ Pyro element.
If you really pay attention to Kukulkan's statements during that Quest, You'll realize just how strong is the power of Phlogiston.

It can burns anything and everything even erasing leylines, even the abyss will never invaded Teyvat again.

Thats why i said Greater, cause is something that common one cant do

So why the LoTN need Ronova's guidance to create the Night Kingdom if she's literally comes from celestia and having "Celestia Power" Like you said? And why she need Xbalanque to defeat the Pyro Dragon if she's comparable to gods of Teyvat and as you said "hiearchy power celestia > teyvat)??

If she's having "Celestia level power" According to your logic, wouldn't that be easy for Lord of the Night to killed the Pyro Dragon?

This "Celestia Level Power" is never a thing whatsoever, Celestia is where Phanes and the Four Shades lived.

Lord of the Night is not that strong strenght wise, in fact, those NPC said when we bout to enter the Volcano in that quest said that even Lord of the Night cannot reach the inside of the Volcano which is where the Pyro Dragon lived

Sahl, you are simply confirming my point that angels are comparable to the gods of Teyvat.

the Seelie have been implied several times that the strongest are comparable to gods of Teyvat (like Nabu and the Lord of the Night)

And Xbalanque being equal or stronger to the Pyro Sovereing just makes him comparable to Prime Sovereings.
Bassicly: PO > Shades = Sovereings (No Nibelung) = Xbalanque > Archons > Gods (Osial, Guizhong, Andrius) = Seelie/Angels

If its Phanes and the Four Shades.. yeah
Dont know about the Moon Sisters

but the Angels is straight up weak and not that strong, their duty is just to guide Humanity and nothing else.

Highly dout Moon Sister have anything to do with Celestia at all ngl, and again, thats the narrative of the Angels, being the weakest of the "Celestia Army"

Already in DC, all that merely your assumption.
Also, Ancient Dragons is Celestia's enemy.

Wasn't he the same PO who stole the use of phlogiston to create the 7 elements? What would make you think that bro wouldn't try to steal a dragon's body plan to create a war machine? (Dvalin and other dragons)

You're nothing without a judge buddy.

Moderation in a debate is there to prevent one side from cheating or similar cases (such as giving themselves a victory, ignoring fallacies or simply not insulting or attacking their opponent) since I have seen that you felt uncomfortable with the previous judge, I have simply made you the proposal to debate with someone who does not agree with my point of view but is someone we can both trust like Gianny. I do not need a judge to win, because in that case it would not be a debate as such but a simple discussion that may not lead anywhere.

 

[MSahla]

"we talk about Traveler going all out against SoHP, i ask you the proof of such, you ignore it and start yapping about dragons"

I do not remember where im bringing out the dragons topic btw, if you can give me the exact quote then just give it here.

The whole point of Neuvi being in a human body is cause Hydro Dragons arent pure enough to sustain such high noble title and i highly dout he was the strongest just newborn when the Narwhal gave him a tossel, thats why he needed Focalors Authority to win

thats just an Obvious thing he already said that he can't do anything unless Focalors Died and gives her authority to him.

Oh yeah, Shades can just survive without organs, totally makes senses dude

It is said after rhine ate her heart she and naberius are one, now logically, that one heart contains all of Naberius.

That heart contains Naberius' consciousness and soul and all others because they are fused physically and mentally

Theres no narrative saying Rhine cut opened naberius' heart nor does she killed Naberius in a fight.

And again, we dont even know how is Naberius' heart is in a random dungeon.

Sahl, you are simply confirming my point that angels are comparable to the gods of Teyvat.

Comparable in what context? Strenght? name me one angel who's comparable to a gods in term of Strenght, go on.

And Xbalanque being equal or stronger to the Pyro Sovereing just makes him comparable to Prime Sovereings.
Bassicly: PO > Shades = Sovereings (No Nibelung) = Xbalanque > Archons > Gods (Osial, Guizhong, Andrius) = Seelie/Angels

Xbalanque won not because he's stronger whatsoever in fact both of them literally died.
Xiuhcoatl had already corroded by the Abyss and he created a weakness for himself. Xiuhcoatl was severly nerfed buddy.

Xiuhcoatl was on the verge of death and he used his remaining time to revive the Sacred City of Tollan and created Huitzilopochtli, Because of he created the Huitzilopochtli and put the remaining of his power on his eye, that become his weakness. And again, Kukulkan already made it clear that Xiuhcoatl couldn't be harmed if he hadn't created those things which mean Xbalanque does not have any chance to beat Xiuhcoatl if he doesn't have a weakness.

Should i remind you that Xbalanque literally needs Kukulkan and Ronova's help to beat the Pyro Dragon?
Kukulkan taught Xbalanque how to use Phlogiston and then Xbalanque had already made a contract with Ronova to revive him.
So without a weakness that Xiuhcoatl created and both Kukulkan and Ronova's help, Xbalanque WOULD NOT have any Chance to beat Xiuhcoatl.

All Dragon Sovereigns we or someone fought is severely nerfed so do you know what that means? If we fought them in their prime state in our current state.. WE ARE COOKED! They are the strongest Elemental Lifeform for a reason.

So my list still stands.
Phanes > Nibelung > Four Shades > Sovereigns > Sinners > Archons.
Just dont underestimate Sovereigns Destructive Power if they're combined, each of them have Primordial Energy of Teyvat like Phlogiston and the Primordial Sea.

Highly dout Moon Sister have anything to do with Celestia at all ngl, and again, thats the narrative of the Angels, being the weakest of the "Celestia Army"

So that doesn't mean the angels is comparable to Gods in Teyvat in terms of Strenght.

Wasn't he the same PO who stole the use of phlogiston to create the 7 elements? What would make you think that bro wouldn't try to steal a dragon's body plan to create a war machine? (Dvalin and other dragons)

Why would i think like that and for what? Lol

Moderation in a debate is there to prevent one side from cheating or similar cases (such as giving themselves a victory, ignoring fallacies or simply not insulting or attacking their opponent) since I have seen that you felt uncomfortable with the previous judge, I have simply made you the proposal to debate with someone who does not agree with my point of view but is someone we can both trust like Gianny. I do not need a judge to win, because in that case it would not be a debate as such but a simple discussion that may not lead anywhere.

While the previous debate we've had is that you've completely ignoring what my argument is and just starting "im the winner", not to mention that judge was not a neutral judge whatsoever.

If you really think that your point (Durin > Sovereigns & Archons) is true, then why dont you give your good reason here? We'd love to see it.

 

[Giannysmag]

You know I just remembered. Wasn't the Abyss Twin like "yea there's no way I could beat Dain" and that same Dain spent the first half of the quest jorking the Sinners being like "we where peers but then they shared this world shattering power, those guys are now Trancendent"

Yea get the Traveler's ass out of the Sovereign Tier now lmao

 

[PedjaTarzan]

You know I just remembered. Wasn't the Abyss Twin like "yea there's no way I could beat Dain" and that same Dain spent the first half of the quest jorking the Sinners being like "we where peers but then they shared this world shattering power, those guys are now Trancendent"

Yea get the Traveler's ass out of the Sovereign Tier now lmao

nah keep him there, upscale neuvi once bumveler gets trashed by actual sovereign/sinner tier person

 

[Shey]

"Upscale Neuv" doesn't make sense

 

[Puppet43]

I do not remember where im bringing out the dragons topic btw, if you can give me the exact quote then just give it here.

Nuh uh, he already said that The dragons are too powerful, they're imprisoned by power.

There

thats just an Obvious thing he already said that he can't do anything unless Focalors Died and gives her authority to him.

And that just proof's Authority is what makes the Sovereing, not the species

That heart contains Naberius' consciousness and soul and all others because they are fused physically and mentally

Why are we making random assumptions?

Comparable in what context? Strenght? name me one angel who's comparable to a gods in term of Strenght, go on.

Nabu and The lord of the night, cant say much, cause we just have info of 4 Angels at best lol

Xiuhcoatl had already corroded by the Abyss and he created a weakness for himself.

Abyssal Energy is straight up a buff to one overall strength, yeah the downside it corrodes the mind, but still a buff, thats the whole point of Nibelung wanting to bring it up for a revenge

Kukulkan already made it clear that Xiuhcoatl couldn't be harmed if he hadn't created those things which mean Xbalanque does not have any chance to beat Xiuhcoatl if he doesn't have a weakness.

After checking multiple times is probably reffering to him being too strong to be touched by a mearly human (Bassicly an hyperbole), renember the statment comes from a Sovereing Glazer, we cant just assume 1:1 of he says its true. That would be the same as beliving Barbara about Barbatos feats and she says "He could destroy 5 planets"

Kukulkan taught Xbalanque how to use Phlogiston and then Xbalanque had already made a contract with Ronova to revive him.

Kukulkan part would be an skill issue of his part, Ronova help didnt alternt the result of the fight, just the "post fight" and even if she didnt revive him, they would still be comparable somehow

All Dragon Sovereigns we or someone fought is severely nerfed so do you know what that means? If we fought them in their prime state in our current state.. WE ARE COOKED!

We never fought a sovereing; Neuvi was friendly, Apep we just fought his immune system and Gosoy is just a copy. And the only others characters who fought a Sovereing Prime were; Primordial, Shades, All Devouring Narwhal and Xbalanque
The first 2 directly upscale, Narwhal needed a Primordial Sea water shield and healing to being equal to Neuvi and Xbalanque are equals

So that doesn't mean the angels is comparable to Gods in Teyvat in terms of Strenght.

Moon sisters arent angels

Why would i think like that and for what? Lol

Narrative, reading comprehension, understanding the character im speaking off

So my list still stands.
Phanes > Nibelung > Four Shades > Sovereigns > Sinners > Archons.

Nah, at worst Shades, Sovereing and Sinners are equals

While the previous debate we've had is that you've completely ignoring what my argument is and just starting "im the winner"

Ur argument was complety ignored after the fact that i debunked it, lol, dont try to change context so u are seen as Angel. I never yell "im the winner" i dont have that great of an ego, at worst i could say it post debate just clarificating im the winner, while u were trying to dennied the fact that u lost

If you really think that your point (Durin > Sovereigns & Archons) is true, then why dont you give your good reason here? We'd love to see it.

All people in this threath (Woomy and Gianny) already had watch my arguments, so there no need for that, if u really wanna debate, my discord is in my wiki profile. Nah actually wait, i cant add u because there some weird bug in Discord, i could wait for the bug to be fixed

You know I just remembered. Wasn't the Abyss Twin like "yea there's no way I could beat Dain" and that same Dain spent the first half of the quest jorking the Sinners being like "we where peers but then they shared this world shattering power, those guys are now Trancendent"

The consistency of Bumps not being top tiers (i highly dout they are gonna make them past Archon tier)

 

[MSahla]

There

That is not? Im replying to you whos also talking about dragons lil bro lmaoo

And that just proof's Authority is what makes the Sovereing, not the species

??? Thats irrelevant from what youre talking about there lmao

Why are we making random assumptions?

Thats based on the fact that Rhine is fully merged with Naberius anyway? So thats just the fact

Nabu and The lord of the night, cant say much, cause we just have info of 4 Angels at best lol

Nabu and Lord of the Night shows nothing that they're comparable to a gods in term of Strenght.

Abyssal Energy is straight up a buff to one overall strength, yeah the downside it corrodes the mind, but still a buff, thats the whole point of Nibelung wanting to bring it up for a revenge

The forbidden knowledge is different than normal Abyssal Energy, if i remember corrwctly, in chinese Forbidden Knowledge is "Higher Knowledge" Or we can say in another words "Higher power"

After checking multiple times is probably reffering to him being too strong to be touched by a mearly human (Bassicly an hyperbole),

Lmao its not about humans whatsoever thats just for everybody, nothings refers to a humans, what you talk about and it aint no hyperbole.
Phlogiston based lifeform like Xiuhcoatl who can merged with Phlogiston does indeed can't be harmed because what are u gonna touch is just Phlogiston itself lol

renember the statment comes from a Sovereing Glazer, we cant just assume 1:1 of he says its true. That would be the same as beliving Barbara about Barbatos feats and she says "He could destroy 5 planets"

Its not sovereign glazer thats just the fact, why would "The Wises Among The Dragons" Would tell a lie to us, he's giving our little saurian an Information about them buddy.

Kukulkan part would be an skill issue of his part, Ronova help didnt alternt the result of the fight,

Oh yeah.. Without ronova that revived Xbalanque, Ochkan would become the new Pyro Dragon Sovereign lmao

just the "post fight" and even if she didnt revive him, they would still be comparable somehow

Thanks to xiuhcoatl who made his own weakness

We never fought a sovereing; Neuvi was friendly, Apep we just fought his immune system and Gosoy is just a copy.

Thats why we would never fought a prime dragon sovereigns, why? We would get Cooked.

And the only others characters who fought a Sovereing Prime were; Primordial, Shades, All Devouring Narwhal and Xbalanque
The first 2 directly upscale,

Xbalanque ain't no fighting Xiuhcoatl at his prime
Bros just being delusional and ignoring the previous sttement right now, Xiuhcoatl has severely corroded he can't control himself, and created huitzilopochtli which become his weakness on his eyes.

If you really wanna know whats the prime sovereign look like just look at Neuvillette, he's completely fine, he's not got corroded by the abyss, unlike Xiuhcoatl.

Narwhal needed a Primordial Sea water shield and healing to being equal to Neuvi and Xbalanque are equals

Neuvi's prime > Xbalanque lol

Moon sisters arent angels

??? Nobody saying they were

Narrative, reading comprehension, understanding the character im speaking off

Nuh uh.. That mindset from yours is unnecessary and even doesn't make sense

Nah, at worst Shades, Sovereing and Sinners are equals

from what i believe now..
Sinners = Shades>=Sovereigns

Ur argument was complety ignored after the fact that i debunked it, lol, dont try to change context so u are seen as Angel. I never yell "im the winner" i dont have that great of an ego, at worst i could say it post debate just clarificating im the winner, while u were trying to dennied the fact that u lost

Like when you're just completely ignoring my arguments and being arrogant? Wow

All people in this threath (Woomy and Gianny) already had watch my arguments, so there no need for that, if u really wanna debate, my discord is in my wiki profile. Nah actually wait, i cant add u because there some weird bug in Discord, i could wait for the bug to be fixed

Just watch? They dont seems to be agree with you anyway nor do i, nobody here except you who thinks durin is stronger than the high tier archons, sovereigns and even the sinners lmao

 

[Giannysmag]

All people in this threath (Woomy and Gianny) already had watch my arguments, so there no need for that

Yea and I think they're trash lmao

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i didnt watch shit bro i was fighting for my life on exams (passed all)

 

[Shey]

Yea and I think they're trash lmao

Sahl cooking his ass brah

 

[Puppet43]

Yea and I think they're trash lmao

Thats why i want u to be the Moderator/Judge of our debate, so Sahl doesnt cry because of "Favoritism"

Sahl cooking his ass brah

Sahl and cooking in the same sentance is like saying "Shadman was a good dude"

That is not? Im replying to you whos also talking about dragons lil bro lmaoo

If u had a minimun of reading comprehension u could see that i am responding to a quote about descenders and ur statment of "traveler holding back against SoHP" (still u didnt provide evidence for that statment)

Thats irrelevant from what youre talking about there lmao

U straight up said "Sovereings are strong since birth" and i just said "Sovereing dont come from a exact species but the (full) authority" Sovereing isnt a species on itself, just a title

Thats based on the fact that Rhine is fully merged with Naberius anyway?

Just because they are fused doesnt mean "Naberius' consciousness and soul are fused"

Nabu and Lord of the Night shows nothing that they're comparable to a gods in term of Strenght.

Mind u, Nabu should relative to King Deshret and Rukkha in abilities at worst just because how the 3 were able kind of retain the abyss corruption for some time, Lord of the Night is a hard asf name so should be comparable to "Overlord of the Vortex" aura farming

The forbidden knowledge is different than normal Abyssal Energy, if i remember corrwctly, in chinese Forbidden Knowledge is "Higher Knowledge" Or we can say in another words "Higher power"

Could u pass some evidence? (the CN)

with Phlogiston does indeed can't be harmed because what are u gonna touch is just Phlogiston itself lol

I think this dudes wanna have a talk with u

why would "The Wises Among The Dragons" Would tell a lie to us, he's giving our little saurian an Information about them buddy

Maybe, just maybe, he wanted to manipulate Little One to activate the machinery and forget about Traveler and anything that could make him renember this could be a bad idea, just maybe or perhaps im schizo?

Oh yeah.. Without ronova that revived Xbalanque, Ochkan would become the new Pyro Dragon Sovereign lmao

This wouldnt had anything to do with the outcome of the fight, lol + Ochkan goat would probably had donne a better job that his uncle

Thanks to xiuhcoatl who made his own weakness

Creating urself a weakness and then letting someone access it that easily seems like some sort of Skill Issue if im being honest

Xbalanque ain't no fighting Xiuhcoatl at his prime

Didnt u say urself that FK was stronger than Abyssal energy? so how does a FK amp Xiuh is weaker than his base form?

Neuvi's prime > Xbalanque lol

I would heavely disagree, but Gianny would pull me from the hair

That mindset from yours is unnecessary and even doesn't make sense

Deadass this seems like the most poorly excuse of ragebait known to man, even my "Signora above Neuvi" takes were better (in a ragebait term) that it left Gianny with some paranoia

Like when you're just completely ignoring my arguments and being arrogant?

And the proof of this is?

Just watch? They dont seems to be agree with you anyway nor do i, nobody here except you who thinks durin is stronger than the high tier archons, sovereigns and even the sinners lmao

The Sinner part is false, and just as i pointed in the start of this comment
- Thats why i want Gianny to be the Moderator/Judge of our debate, so u dont cry because of "Favoritism"

 

[MSahla]

Thats why i want u to be the Moderator/Judge of our debate, so Sahl doesnt cry because of "Favoritism"

Isn't it more like for you? LMFAOO

Sahl and cooking in the same sentance is like saying "Shadman was a good dude"

Youre cooked lil bro

If u had a minimun of reading comprehension u could see that i am responding to a quote about descenders and ur statment of "traveler holding back against SoHP" (still u didnt provide evidence for that statment)

Find a quote who brings the word "Dragons" First in this comment and you'll see its not me

U straight up said "Sovereings are strong since birth" and i just said "Sovereing dont come from a exact species but the (full) authority" Sovereing isnt a species on itself, just a title

Nobody saying Sovereign is a species buddy.. I already said they're already a sovereign since they were born to begin with.

Just because they are fused doesnt mean "Naberius' consciousness and soul are fused"

Bruhh
Albedo legit they are now ONE, They're now one existence.

Mind u, Nabu should relative to King Deshret and Rukkha in abilities at worst just because how the 3 were able kind of retain the abyss corruption for some time, Lord of the Night is a hard asf name so should be comparable to "Overlord of the Vortex" aura farming

Yeah nabu part is just a hax and idk what are u trying to prove with lord of the night one

Could u pass some evidence? (the CN)

@Furina003 told me about that so..

I think this dudes wanna have a talk with u

Bro thinks that thing is on the same level with Xiuhcoatl

Maybe, just maybe, he wanted to manipulate Little One to activate the machinery and forget about Traveler and anything that could make him renember this could be a bad idea, just maybe or perhaps im schizo?

This wouldnt had anything to do with the outcome of the fight, lol + Ochkan goat would probably had donne a better job that his uncle

Its not about he would've done a better job than xiuhcoatl Buddy, what are u talking about

Creating urself a weakness and then letting someone access it that easily seems like some sort of Skill Issue if im being honest

Yeah thats why Xbalanque should be grateful that Xiuhcoatl create his own weakness, if he hadn't created his own weakness, nobody can harmed him

Didnt u say urself that FK was stronger than Abyssal energy? so how does a FK amp Xiuh is weaker than his base form?

He ain't got no amp whatsoever, he lost control of himself because his mind is corroded.
Also, there is no FK in Natlan, FK like higher level for Abyssal Energy.

I would heavely disagree, but Gianny would pull me from the hair

Yeah Disagree with the reason is Xbalanque killed xiuhcoatl, while i already explain why Xiuhcoatl got defeated so.. Your disagreement is not even valid anymore.

Deadass this seems like the most poorly excuse of ragebait known to man, even my "Signora above Neuvi" takes were better (in a ragebait term) that it left Gianny with some paranoia

just letting you know.. Nobody thinking the same weird things as you, because its THAT nonsense

And the proof of this is?

If you still have the chat then read it.. If youre smart enough.. If you use your brain to think then you'll know it.

I dont have the group chat anymore

The Sinner part is false, and just as i pointed in the start of this comment

What false

- Thats why i want Gianny to be the Moderator/Judge of our debate, so u dont cry because of "Favoritism"

This "Favoritism" Is more like for you buddy

 

[PedjaTarzan]

someone give me TL;DR of this yapfest

 

[MSahla]

someone give me TL;DR of this yapfest

Every thing starts when this thing →(@Puppet43) saying Durin stronger than archons, sovereigns or even sinners

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Every thing starts when this thing →(@Puppet43) saying Durin stronger than archons, sovereigns or even sinners

Durim lost to Venti and Dvalin so thats it he caps at archon tier, anything higher and he gets his booty cheeks clapped
Unless you wanna say that he negs his creator which makes no sense

 

[Puppet43]

Durim lost to Venti and Dvalin so thats it he caps at archon tier, anything higher and he gets his booty cheeks clapped
Unless you wanna say that he negs his creator which makes no sense

No, he is inventing the sinner part (he can't make an argument without lying, so give bro some time), the archon part is debatable since it was a 2 amped Archon lvl treaths vs a kid that passively cancer the world around it

This "Favoritism" Is more like for you buddy

"Favoritism" is when gianny would hate to side me because he is a Neuvi glazer and im saying Durin could high diff him

I dont have the group chat anymore

So u expect anyone to believe im the embodiment of evil just because u say so?

Nobody thinking the same weird things as you, because its THAT nonsense

So u dont agree on Electro Traveler> Childe and Signora? or Neuvi >> Amber?

Yeah Disagree with the reason is Xbalanque killed xiuhcoatl, while i already explain why Xiuhcoatl got defeated so.. Your disagreement is not even valid anymore.

No, he would just disagree cause is Neuvi, if it was another Sovereing he wouldn't give a damn

He ain't got no amp whatsoever, he lost control of himself because his mind is corroded.
Also, there is no FK in Natlan, FK like higher level for Abyssal Energy.

Nibelung brought back the FK for him and his allies lel, all sovereings at some point had FK (Which Apep does support), yeah thats the problem u lost ur mind and shi, but it gives u like a good power amp in compesention

Yeah thats why Xbalanque should be grateful that Xiuhcoatl create his own weakness, if he hadn't created his own weakness, nobody can harmed him

so skill issue problem + someone outsmarting him = him dead lol (Just like Gojo vs Sukuna, even if Gojo was untouchable, Sukuna's BIQ and bro letting his guard out let himself to a defeat)

Bro thinks that thing is on the same level with Xiuhcoatl

with Phlogiston does indeed can't be harmed because what are u gonna touch is just Phlogiston itself lol
Ur quote btw, it doesnt say anything about lvl, just that Phlogiston is untouchable

@Furina003 told me about that so..

Really? the same person that has been debunked several times is ur only proof?

idk what are u trying to prove with lord of the night one

if u talking about my yap, is just irony. If u click the link it shows u that Lord of the Night is a god lel, so at base should be relative to Teyvat's Gods

Albedo legit they are now ONE, They're now one existence.

Mind u one existence in Genshin is different, the 2 raidens are 1 existence yet they dont share consciouness nor mind (Bassicly is like a split personality)

I already said they're already a sovereign since they were born to begin with.

Im gonna ask u something, if this were true why did they try to make Ochkan a sovereing even do he was living at the same time of his uncle? it wouldnt make sense if just 1 Sovereing was able to born at the same time

Find a quote who brings the word "Dragons" First in this comment and you'll see its not me

Nuh uh, he already said that The dragons are too powerful, they're imprisoned by power.

There, even do u were answering a quote that was answering u talking about Traveler

Youre cooked lil bro

Said the Shadman of Genshinscaling

 

[MSahla]

"Favoritism" is when gianny would hate to side me because he is a Neuvi glazer and im saying Durin could high diff him

What is gianny have to do with this?

So u expect anyone to believe im the embodiment of evil just because u say so?

???

So u dont agree on Electro Traveler> Childe and Signora? or Neuvi >> Amber?

???

No, he would just disagree cause is Neuvi, if it was another Sovereing he wouldn't give a damn

Nobody in here except you who thinks durin is stronger than sovereigns or archons buddy, so even if Gianny's fav is not Neuvi he would still think that neuvi is stronger.

Nibelung brought back the FK for him and his allies lel, all sovereings at some point had FK (Which Apep does support), yeah thats the problem u lost ur mind and shi, but it gives u like a good power amp in compesention

Xiuhcoatl did not join the war nor does he achieved the FK from nibelung, after he wokes up he went to his city and saw everything is corroded (including him too), Xiuhcoatl literally hates the abyss which is why thats the biggest reason he wants to create the Huitzilopochtli to nuke the whole world so the abyss cannot invade anymore.

The only sovereign that got the power of FK is Apep because she's mad loyal to Nibelung and that also she collecting the FK everywhere never stated that she received the FK from nibelung.

Even the Hydro Dragon/Neuvillette himself think that the dragons and humans should unite together to fight against the abyss, which mean he also hates the power of the abyss.

so skill issue problem + someone outsmarting him = him dead lol (Just like Gojo vs Sukuna, even if Gojo was untouchable, Sukuna's BIQ and bro letting his guard out let himself to a defeat)

Thats the risk if he wants to create the literal world nuclear bomb, he had to sacrifice himself.

with Phlogiston does indeed can't be harmed because what are u gonna touch is just Phlogiston itself lol
Ur quote btw, it doesnt say anything about lvl, just that Phlogiston is untouchable

And why are u comparing to something who's just a small phlogiston being to the literal the creator of the Phlogiston itself?

Really? the same person that has been debunked several times is ur only proof?

What is that have to do with the translation?

if u talking about my yap, is just irony. If u click the link it shows u that Lord of the Night is a god lel, so at base should be relative to Teyvat's Gods

Just because she's a god doesn't mean she's as strong as the other gods who have true strenght, some gods are weak.

Mind u one existence in Genshin is different, the 2 raidens are 1 existence yet they dont share consciouness nor mind (Bassicly is like a split personality)

2 raidens? You mean Ei and the Shogun? Thats just obvious like what? Ei is just can possesse the shogun, literally different case like Naberius and Rhinedottir.

Rhinedottir ate Naberius' heart which makes them co-exist in one completely existence, body and soul.

Im gonna ask u something, if this were true why did they try to make Ochkan a sovereing even do he was living at the same time of his uncle? it wouldnt make sense if just 1 Sovereing was able to born at the same time

Are u really playing Tonatiuh Quest? Because kukulkan literally said that he wants Och-Kan to be the one who killed Xiuhcoatl and become the new Pyro Dragon.

There, even do u were answering a quote that was answering u talking about Traveler

Buddy i literally wrote that thing to answer you who also talking about the dragon, im answering you talking about Kukulkan, what are u talking about?