Genshin Blackhole Feat Calculation Evaluation.

[OmniScalator]

I created a Calculation Blog and need it accepted can anybody evaluate it?

i am new here so i don't know if this is the right place.

 

[OmniScalator]

Bump

 

[BreezeHM]

That blackhole is not 7.854cm in diameter. Using Skirk's faces a ruler cannot be done because Skirk is right in front of the camera, while the Black Hole is all the way in the back.

Also you're supposed to submit your calculations to the Calculation Evaluations Thread to be evaluated, not making a thread here.

 

[OmniScalator]

That blackhole is not 7.854cm in diameter. Using Skirk's faces a ruler cannot be done because Skirk is right in front of the camera, while the Black Hole is all the way in the back.

Also you're supposed to submit your calculations to the Calculation Evaluations Thread to be evaluated, not making a thread here.

Yeah blackhole is slightly in back

Which means our result is very much a lowball but 1 or 2 more cm will still put her in that same tier

Which means it is not a significant error


I didn't knew about where to get this calculation accepted so I came here

But I have put a post in evaluation thread and linked this thread there if they want to suggest any change.

Tbh it is not that much in the back

Imo error rate would be almost -5%

 

[OmniScalator]

That blackhole is not 7.854cm in diameter. Using Skirk's faces a ruler cannot be done because Skirk is right in front of the camera, while the Black Hole is all the way in the back.

Also you're supposed to submit your calculations to the Calculation Evaluations Thread to be evaluated, not making a thread here.

Also I would like to ask for a better method to calculate

 

[BreezeHM]

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I actually went to watch the scene, and turns out the Black Hole is around that small, but I'm not going to check to be certain since there's a clear problem. That isn't an actual Black Hole since she's touching it and it's not displaying any of the qualities a Black Hole should have.

A black hole can be moved, since it does not break the law of conservation of momentum. So the momentum of everything thrown into a black hole will add to the total momentum of the black hole itself.

But a problem occurs if someone would try to hold a black hole in his hand, to kick it into an other direction, or do something similar.

The Event horizon of a black hole is an intangible phenomenon, so a black hole can not be grabbed by it. One could possibly grab and throw a black hole through the singularity in its center, but because it destroys everything approaching it (as explained in 2) it is practically impossible.

So while moving a black hole by shooting something into it is possible moving it through physical contact is impossible, because it would require an unreachable durability in order to remain whole when doing it.

So I would say this doesn't qualify.

Also I would like to ask for a better method to calculate

This

 

[OmniScalator]

I actually went to watch the scene, and turns out the Black Hole is around that small, but I'm not going to check to be certain since there's a clear problem. That isn't an actual Black Hole since she's touching it and it's not displaying any of the qualities a Black Hole should have.

So I would say this doesn't qualify.

This

I think you have lost the detail here

It is actual blackhole

And as for why she is able to hold it?

It is because she have a field around blackhole (see your own screenshot she contains that blackhole in a field and she is holding that field in her hands which contains blackhole) you can observe polygonal pattern around blackhole


Also can you describe how to calculate length from screenshot you sent because I tried to but I was not able to refrence size.

 

[BreezeHM]

I think you have lost the detail here

It is actual blackhole

Just because it's depicted as a Black Hole doesn't mean it's 1:1. Sure when listing it as an ability it can be a Black Hole, but when it comes to calculating things, It needs to align with Physics.

And as for why she is able to hold it?

It is because she have a field around blackhole (see your own screenshot she contains that blackhole in a field and she is holding that field in her hands which contains blackhole) you can observe polygonal pattern around blackhole

Pretty sure that hurts your case even more, because a Black Hole would be distorting whatever that is, and there's no explanation for the "container." Even more so, since the Black Hole was made from the Narwhal?

Also can you describe how to calculate length from screenshot you sent because I tried to but I was not able to refrence size.

Use her finger, scaling it to the full body you measured in your blog.

 

[OmniScalator]

Just because it's depicted as a Black Hole doesn't mean it's 1:1. Sure when listing it as an ability it can be a Black Hole, but when it comes to calculating things, It needs to align with Physics.

Pretty sure that hurts your case even more, because a Black Hole would be distorting whatever that is, and there's no explanation for the "container." Even more so, since the Black Hole was made from the Narwhal?

No it doesn't hurt my case because forcefield she is using is magical and blackholes are not stated to distort it. And she used it on blackhole for a reason, it is most probably immune to distortion of blackhole, because if it was not then why use it?

Which means it have all the properties of blackhole.

 

[BreezeHM]

No it doesn't hurt my case because forcefield she is using is magical and blackholes are not stated to distort it. And she used it on blackhole for a reason, it is most probably immune to distortion of blackhole, because if it was not then why use it?

Anything in the Event Horizon cannot escape. That's fundamental for a Black Hole, it being magical wouldn't disrupt that fact, since even intangible things like Light can be affected. Assuming that it's immune with no evidence is a reach, when the simplest explanation is that it doesn't function as one.

Which means it have all the properties of blackhole.

It hasn't displayed any though?

 

[OmniScalator]

Anything in the Event Horizon cannot escape. That's fundamental for a Black Hole, it being magical wouldn't disrupt that fact, since even intangible things like Light can be affected. Assuming that it's immune with no evidence is a reach, when the simplest explanation is that it doesn't function as one.

But we can clearly see field is outside event horizon.

Also considering it is immune to blackhole is also viable because if it was not then there was no reason to use it.

It hasn't displayed any though?

It is heavier than it is thought of, not even light escapes, it have event horizon, it have accretion disk, all means it is real blackhole.

 

[BreezeHM]

But we can clearly see field is outside event horizon.

Apologies, I should've worded it better. The Gravity of a Black Hole is still strong enough to pull in things before you reach the Event Horizon. Even thing it's still very close so there's no way the field wouldn't get pulled in. You can't assume that it's resistant because it was used, especially since the Black Hole hasn't shown any elements that a Black Hole would have.

Also considering it is immune to blackhole is also viable because if it was not then there was no reason to use it.

That's not how it works. The wiki goes by the safest assumption that makes sense with physics.

It is heavier than it is thought of, not even light escapes, it have event horizon, it have accretion disk, all means it is real blackhole.

That's just depiction. You need the functions of a Black Hole to be displayed, which isn't shown in the video.

 

[OmniScalator]

Apologies, I should've worded it better. The Gravity of a Black Hole is still strong enough to pull in things before you reach the Event Horizon. Even thing it's still very close so there's no way the field wouldn't get pulled in. You can't assume that it's resistant because it was used, especially since the Black Hole hasn't shown any elements that a Black Hole would have.

I am not quite getting what you mean. Because according to feat she is on a level where obviously her forcefield should be durable enough, as she have enough power to create blackhole.

That's not how it works. The wiki goes by the safest assumption that makes sense with physics.

How is this blackhole not following physics?

That's just depiction. You need the functions of a Black Hole to be displayed, which isn't shown in the video.

I thought you played game so I assumed you already knew it but it seems you don't know that it is quite literally stated in game.

lore wise It is heavier than it is thought of, not even light escapes and it's depiction matches lore.

Statement
"A strange 'substance' obtained from fighting against the All-Devouring Narwhal. Its actual weight far exceeds what would be expected given its size.
Everything gathers around heavy objects, just as gold attracts more than iron, or the ground more than in the breeze blowing above. Just as light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness, cause and effect is attached to fate, perhaps irreversibly so."
- Source

 

[BreezeHM]

I am not quite getting what you mean. Because according to feat she is on a level where obviously her forcefield should be durable enough, as she have enough power to create blackhole.

It's not about what she's capable of doing, It's about how it's done

How is this blackhole not following physics?

Because it's not pulling anything or distorting anything. No statements about gravity etc

I thought you played game so I assumed you already knew it but it seems you don't know that it is quite literally stated in game.

No I haven't played in a while because the dialogue was unskippable.

lore wise It is heavier than it is thought of, not even light escapes and it's depiction matches lore.

Statement
"A strange 'substance' obtained from fighting against the All-Devouring Narwhal. Its actual weight far exceeds what would be expected given its size.
Everything gathers around heavy objects, just as gold attracts more than iron, or the ground more than in the breeze blowing above. Just as light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness, cause and effect is attached to fate, perhaps irreversibly so."
- Source

That's better. Include this in your blog, and see what CGM's think

 

[OmniScalator]

It's not about what she's capable of doing, It's about how it's done

She literally compressed whale into blackhole on screen, it is shown how it is done on screen.

Because it's not pulling anything or distorting anything. No statements about gravity etc

I shared statement which talks about it with you already.