General Grievous vs Darth Maul

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General Grievous

General Grievous was the Supreme Commander of the Armies of the Confederacy of Independent Systems during the Clone Wars against the Galactic Republic. A Kaleesh warlord from the planet Kalee, he chose to have his body modified with numerous cybernetics to improve his physicality, eventually...

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Darth Maul

Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak and the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. The son of Mother Talzin, he was trained by Sidious as a Sith assassin and became an incredibly skilled duelist. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years...

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incon: @DaReaperMan @Ms.Luzifer @Greatsage13th @OrangeFR @Arkansalter2
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Rebels Darth Maul is used

 

[Greatsage13th]

Which version of Darth Maul?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Rebels should be good

 

[DaReaperMan]

They're relatively comparable in AP, both being a fair bit stronger than Obi-Wan.

But... Not only is the PIS strong with Maul's ability to actually use the ******* force in combat against a fellow Swordsman, to the point where both time he encounters Grievous canonically he doesn't use it on him despite being unrelentingly ******* mad both times, but his best feats are against DEFENSIVE fighters. Whenever he finds an offensive fighter he tends to struggle, and Grievous has this lovely tendency to kick his opponents in lightsaber clashes, which Maul likes to get into.

But as it stands, it's so close and easy to argue for both sides I'm just going to vote for incon.

 

[OrangeFR]

Doesn’t Maul kinda just force crush and then ggs?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Doesn’t Maul kinda just force crush and then ggs?

Shouldn't Ventress have done that? Or Obi-Wan? Or Ahsoka? Or--

Hey did you know Maul has this lovely tendency to refuse to use force powers against other swordsmen?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Shouldn't Ventress have done that? Or Obi-Wan? Or Ahsoka? Or--

Hey did you know Maul has this lovely tendency to refuse to use force powers against other swordsmen?

Maul takes his name too literally, he's only willing to Maul

 

[OrangeFR]

Shouldn't Ventress have done that? Or Obi-Wan? Or Ahsoka? Or--

Hey did you know Maul has this lovely tendency to refuse to use force powers against other swordsmen?

For the Jedi it’s cause of moral code and shit, IDK about Ventress tho. So I didn’t know about Maul not using force powers against them, mb. But in general IMO Grevious is silly cuz like, why don’t they just hold him still with the force the whole time? It’s so weird. (Tho I’m not complaining, I ******* love Grevious)

 

[Huesito88]

For the Jedi it’s cause of moral code and shit, IDK about Ventress tho. So I didn’t know about Maul not using force powers against them, mb. But in general IMO Grevious is silly cuz like, why don’t they just hold him still with the force the whole time? It’s so weird. (Tho I’m not complaining, I ******* love Grevious)

Legends Windu

 

[DaReaperMan]

For the Jedi it’s cause of moral code and shit, IDK about Ventress tho. So I didn’t know about Maul not using force powers against them, mb. But in general IMO Grevious is silly cuz like, why don’t they just hold him still with the force the whole time? It’s so weird. (Tho I’m not complaining, I ******* love Grevious)

If it was as simple as "Maul force crushes him", he would done it on their first encounter lol

 

[OrangeFR]

If it was as simple as "Maul force crushes him", he would done it on their first encounter lol

I heard you the first time bro, I’m agreeing with you.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Incon FRA. Way too many nuances.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

incon for Reaper's reasons also..

and Grievous has this lovely tendency to kick his opponents in lightsaber clashes, which Maul likes to get into.

Not to mention, he literally did this to Maul In one of their encounters

 

[Greatsage13th]

Incon it is. Unless Maul from Rebels grew in power after the clone wars.

 

[OrangeFR]

I agree w/ incon btw

 

[Pyro9278]

Incon FRA

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Incon FRA

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Unless Maul from Rebels grew in power after the clone wars.

It's listed that he's comparable to Ashoka (Rebels), who fought for quite some time with Vader, which is like, a lot < (of himself) since RotS.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Incon fra

 

[Greatsage13th]

It's listed that he's comparable to Ashoka (Rebels), who fought for quite some time with Vader, which is like, a lot < (of himself) since RotS.

It's also listed as being close to power to an old Obi Wan Kenobi. So I don't know if he got weaker or stronger.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Why not Maul from the same era as Grievous? Rebels Maul is far more powerful than he was during the Clone Wars

 

[AigerTheKing]

Incon FRA

 

[Lonkitt]

Semi-off topic, but I can never get behind the idea that Rebels Maul is equal to Post-Episode III Obi-Wan in skill and power. Kenobi pretty casually finessed Maul

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Kenobi pretty casually finessed Maul

There's a whole context to Obi-Wan and Maul's fight in Rebels.

It wasn't simply a case of "completely outclassing the guy."

In short, Maul severely underestimated Obi-Wan because he was old. Obi-Wan imitated Qui-Gon Jinn's fighting style to trick Maul, and Maul tried to execute the same move he used to kill Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan realized this and counterattacked in the right way to kill Maul.

 

[Lonkitt]

There's a whole context to Obi-Wan and Maul's fight in Rebels.

It wasn't simply a case of "completely outclassing the guy."

In short, Maul severely underestimated Obi-Wan because he was old. Obi-Wan imitated Qui-Gon Jinn's fighting style to trick Maul, and Maul tried to execute the same move he used to kill Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan realized this and counterattacked in the right way to kill Maul.

I wouldn't say it was a case of severely outclassing him and I'm definitely aware of how Kenobi tricked him there. I just don't think there's really enough to support the idea that Maul was on that level as of Rebels

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Superscharbe]

Maul is way to skilled for the coward.Also force user vs non-force user in a non-CIS/PIS battle is unfair

 

[DaReaperMan]

Maul is way to skilled for the coward.Also force user vs non-force user in a non-CIS/PIS battle is unfair

Lol "Too skilled"(Frequently gets his ass beat by basically everyone Grievous did and more)

Lol "Non-CIS"(Unfortunately, trying to argue Maul doesn't have character-induced stupidity doesn't work because he objectively does, he even didn't use the force the two times he met Grievous in canon)

 

[Superscharbe]

Lol "Too skilled"(Frequently gets his ass beat by basically everyone Grievous did and more)

Lol "Non-CIS"(Unfortunately, trying to argue Maul doesn't have character-induced stupidity doesn't work because he objectively does, he even didn't use the force the two times he met Grievous in canon)

Maul getting nerfed with CIS/PIS almost all the time and getting turned into a r3tard in important situations.Prime example is against Obi Wan.One!!! forcepush and he would have won here

And yes,Doubleblade Lightsaber Maul IS more skilled as the coward unless we take the first Clone Wars Cartoon into account

 

[DaReaperMan]

Maul getting nerfed with CIS/PIS almost all the time and getting turned into a r3tard in important situations.Prime example is against Obi Wan.One!!! forcepush and he would have won here

Unfortunately for you, this isnt an argument. Why didn't Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan just crush Maul's brain or heart the minute he showed up in that hall? Simple: fights gotta happen. Of every force user who appears semi-frequently, Maul is genuinely the worst when it comes to just not ******* using the force.

If you really want characters to abandon their Character-induced stupidity, Maul would have fuck8ng died on Tatooine, let alone Naboo because Qui-Gon reached out with the force and turned grey matter into grey slush matter.

And yes,Doubleblade Lightsaber Maul IS more skilled as the coward unless we take the first Clone Wars Cartoon into account

How many of the Canon comics/books have you read, by any chance? Because unironically, they're dead even in skill.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

he even didn't use the force the two times he met Grievous in canon)

I mean, he did a Force Push on Grievous in the last issue of Son of Dathomir.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean, he did a Force Push on Grievous in the last issue of Son of Dathomir.

No, he did that to his guards, he just ******' tackled Grievous lol

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Why didn't Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan just crush Maul's brain or heart the minute he showed up in that hall?

Force Choke is a dark side telekinetic technique, something discouraged in the Jedi order, so it is not something common for a Jedi to do because of this mentality.

Jedis in general don't do this kind of move because of the "defense never stops attack" thing.

No, he did that to his guards, he just ******' tackled Grievous lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

Force Choke is a dark side telekinetic technique, something discouraged in the Jedi order, so it is not something common for a Jedi to do because of this mentality.

Jedis in general don't do this kind of move because of the "defense never stops attack" thing.

We're removing all Character-induced stupidity in this hypothetical scenario, so they'd be fully willing to do so.

Thank **** I'm wrong about something with this match lol

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

is this match still ongoing

 

[Shann_Guppa]

Didn't this fight already happened and Maul won, not to mention Rebels he was still stronger then his Clone Wars era self that beat Greivous

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's listed that he's comparable to Ashoka (Rebels), who fought for quite some time with Vader, which is like, a lot < (of himself) since RotS.

Don't believe what I say.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Don't believe what I say.

L

 

[Mbpoops]

whoever has the high ground igg

 

[Doggo]

Kenobi victims ngl