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Garou vs Cooler (0-0-0)

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The problem here is that the profiles for Toei are outdated and kind of poorly managed. Metal Cooler has Instant Transmission. Did you know this is accepted on GT Goku's profile for IT?

"...This dimension is a subspace that transcends time, a part of the overarching Subspace that has no concept of space and time, allowing Goku to travel to new locations instantaneously. He can also fight whilst doing so, attacking others from this Dimension, though he likely has to re-appear in reality to make contact.)..."

It came up in a thread about GT Goku vs Rose Black. And it was concluded Rose Black ultimately couldn't win despite a huge power advantage. Why? Because of that little detail that GT Goku is accepted as being capable of attacking people mid-IT from Subspace, which lacks time. When I inquired about where this came from an admin posted clips of Metal Cooler attempting to attack Vegeta and Goku intercepting him right beforehand. Meaning the entire basis for this in the first place is Metal Cooler, even if it isn't listed on his profile for whatever reason.

So in short, Metal Cooler shares GT Goku's ability to attack people while in Subspace. Meaning he has an unconventional form of Time Stop. And based on him attempting to use it to kill Vegeta we have reason to think he'd do the same thing here.

Assuming you follow along with that logic, how would Garou counter that? Can his AD and RE work under Time Stop? Does he have a means of evading zero time attacks like that?
 
Cooler can just ragdoll Garou with his overpowered teleportation that lets him attack mid teleportation. Not a damn thing Garou can do about that. Cooler can easily hit Garou with invisible Kiai attacks that Garou can't counter. Throw a supernova at him since he's pretty quick at gathering energy, etc. Cooler stomps.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
The problem here is that the profiles for Toei are outdated and kind of poorly managed. Metal Cooler has Instant Transmission. Did you know this is accepted on GT Goku's profile for IT?

"...This dimension is a subspace that transcends time, a part of the overarching Subspace that has no concept of space and time, allowing Goku to travel to new locations instantaneously. He can also fight whilst doing so, attacking others from this Dimension, though he likely has to re-appear in reality to make contact.)..."

It came up in a thread about GT Goku vs Rose Black. And it was concluded Rose Black ultimately couldn't win despite a huge power advantage. Why? Because of that little detail that GT Goku is accepted as being capable of attacking people mid-IT from Subspace, which lacks time. When I inquired about where this came from an admin posted clips of Metal Cooler attempting to attack Vegeta and Goku intercepting him right beforehand. Meaning the entire basis for this in the first place is Metal Cooler, even if it isn't listed on his profile for whatever reason.

So in short, Metal Cooler shares GT Goku's ability to attack people while in Subspace. Meaning he has an unconventional form of Time Stop. And based on him attempting to use it to kill Vegeta we have reason to think he'd do the same thing here.

Assuming you follow along with that logic, how would Garou counter that? Can his AD and RE work under Time Stop? Does he have a means of evading zero time attacks like that?
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That was corrected in a later CRT, I'm pretty sure. GTku's Profile currently says:
When empowered by another's energy, he can break past this limit and teleport normally, albeit likely temporarily. Instant Transmission sends you into another dimension of inconsistent appearance. This dimension is a subspace that transcends time, a part of the overarching Subspace that has no concept of space and time, allowing Goku to travel to new locations instantaneously. He can also fight whilst doing so, attacking others from this Dimension, though he likely has to re-appear in reality to make contact.
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Meaning he can't make Contact inside the IT Space.

EDIT: Although, it should be noted that the Toei Pamphlet for the film literally says they fight while moving in IT, but that's likely referring to the Cooler stuff because it mentions the Gohan event in specific (so it's talking about literal things that have happened in the films, not general utility).

Instantaneous Movement
A technique that Goku learned from the Yardrat aliens while returning to Earth after his battle with Frieza. In the movie version, it is used for emergency transportation, fighting while moving, and going to rescue Gohan from the afterlife.
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Going off the profile, Garou can just copy techniques by looking at people so he just also does that in which case the fight hasn’t changed except in location ig.
 
Right so then garou copies it, and ads over cooler in both ap and speed and IT skill
 
What I mean is that Cooler (and GTku) can't actually attack in Zero Time currently. They can charge up attacks and whatnot to travel for those hits, but actual blows landing requires them to reappear in reality, which allows Garou to react (as they would then exist in time to be reacted to)--Sorta. Because Cooler and Goku demonstrate spamming and chaining ITs.
 
RedReaper616 said:
What I mean is that Cooler (and GTku) can't actually attack in Zero Time currently. They can charge up attacks and whatnot to travel for those hits, but actual blows landing requires them to reappear in reality.
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Which is still effectively zero time. They charge up. Throw the punch. Then reappear at the moment of contact.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Which is still effectively zero time. They charge up. Throw the punch. Then reappear at the moment of contact.
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Fair. I mostly mean to clarify that it's not the exact same as the SSR Thread, because the version that was accepted there was even more busted.
 
Anyways. Given Metal Cooler has an army of clones of equal power to the original and can spam Instant Transmission I'm going to vote him.
 
Garou would be getting jumped by atleast thousands of those clones who can do this and preety much deal a deadly attack at instantaneous speed or at zero time
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Garou would be getting jumped by atleast thousands of those clones who can do this and preety much deal a deadly attack at instantaneous speed or at zero time
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The issue is that Garou rapidly gets stronger and faster, and gains the same ability, and rapidly becomes superior in using then they are, and so they only have a numbers advantage. And he is passively exuding an enhanced fear aura, and radiation which will passively break down any coolers he isn’t directly attacking.
 
StekFence said:
The issue is that Garou rapidly gets stronger and faster, and gains the same ability, and rapidly becomes superior in using then they are, and so they only have a numbers advantage. And he is passively exuding an enhanced fear aura, and radiation which will passively break down any coolers he isn’t directly attacking.
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There are still rest of the coolers that would be attacking him with killing intent at zero time not to mention big gete star constantly updating coolers flaw,cooler lacks any organic features radiation would have a very little affect on him and garou is getting constantly getting jump by others at zero time,big gete star corrects any flaw present in mecha coolers body so he preety much would re through something like fear aura.

Also I think it would be strech to assume cooler can copy i.t something that is very different from normal teleportation and uses a special realm but idk
 
Oh, and as for the numbers of Coolers, given some people are weary to use just a film title for the number, (for good reason), the direct number we're told across guides is vaguely in the "hundreds."

Daizenshuu 6:
Metal Coola
Coola's brain, which was supposed to be dead, was fused with the main computer of Big Getester and revived. He produced hundreds of replica warriors.
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Return of Cooler Film Comic:
Metal Cooler
Revival!! A super-strong enemy with a metallic body
He was once defeated by Goku, but luckily his brain drifted to the Big Gette Star and fused with its main computer. His body has the ability to self-repair, and he has regenerated hundreds of Metal Coolers! This monster has been resurrected with extraordinary power, but his brutal nature remains intact!!

Metal Cooler choking Goku image: He has a variety of techniques, including Instantaneous Movement and powerful energy bullets! He is also equipped with a sensor that can detect enemies!!

Cooler's head image: This is Cooler's Core! He issues commands to hundreds of Metal Coolers from the dome inside the Big Gette Star!
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Return of Cooler Toei Fair Pamphlet:
Battle 4
Vegeta saves Goku from danger! Finally, the fierce battle between the double Super Saiyans and Metal Cooler begins!! Goku and his friends manage to defeat Metal Cooler. However, hundreds of Metal Coolers appear before them, and the two are captured...
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However, Cooler's Plan was to make Metal Super Saiyans even stronger than Metal Cooler in the tens of Thousands, meaning that either the Star can generate tens of thousands, or the power given by the Super Saiyans would increase the number output of the Star to that level (which it would then presumably perpetually sustain).

(Same Pamphlet):
Son Goku and Vegeta are captured by Metal Cooler... Coola tried to steal all of the extremely powerful life energy of the two Super Saiyans!! And he planned to have tens of thousands of "Metal Super Saiyans" who could surpass Metal Cooler!!
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I don't know why this guy Deku has 20 WINS with NO LOSSES while Garou has 3 losses and like 10 wins. What is happening to my goat?
 
Killerdrone123 said:
There are still rest of the coolers that would be attacking him with killing intent at zero time not to mention big gete star constantly updating coolers flaw,cooler lacks any organic features radiation would have a very little affect on him and garou is getting constantly getting jump by others at zero time,
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Radiation of significant levels has a massive effect on electronics. He emits between 240 to 15,000, and electronics specialized for such things, which cooler is not, fail at low thousands. And he can emit beams that hit 83 billion.

Garou is passively getting stronger and equaling opponents who are stronger through his ad, while cooler is getting stronger as a response. So even if cooler becomes even more powerful, Garou matches that and then starts getting even stronger, while cooler would need time to adapt. And jumping in 0 time is not a technique they’d spam all the time I feel. Then again maybe they did and I just don’t remember, idk. Even if they did, he quickly becomes the better IT user. Irregardless, he should be able to sense the real cooler eventually, and Gete itself as the source of all this, and then nuke it. Considering it’s big, has a lot of energy, etc.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Oh, and as for the numbers of Coolers, given some people are weary to use just a film title for the number, (for good reason), the direct number we're told across guides is vaguely in the "hundreds."

Daizenshuu 6:

Return of Cooler Film Comic:

Return of Cooler Toei Fair Pamphlet:

However, Cooler's Plan was to make Metal Super Saiyans even stronger than Metal Cooler in the tens of Thousands, meaning that either the Star can generate tens of thousands, or the power given by the Super Saiyans would increase the number output of the Star to that level (which it would then presumably perpetually sustain).

(Same Pamphlet):
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According to this page I just had MTL it says:

"Even a single Metal Cooler was enough to give Goku and Vegeta a hard time, yet now multiple ones are standing in perfect formation.
Is this truly a miraculous “multiple shadow clone”?!

Metal Cooler was created through the “steel body” possessed by the Big Gete Star’s main computer. Astoundingly, there is no limit to its production speed.
It’s possible that far more were manufactured than the number that appeared on-screen..."

So yeah, the implication is that Metal Cooler had way more copies than the hundreds we saw. You can check the album I linked, it has the raw text and converted romaji if anyone wants to look a bit closer at how accurate that translation is.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
According to this page I just had MTL it says:

"Even a single Metal Cooler was enough to give Goku and Vegeta a hard time, yet now multiple ones are standing in perfect formation.
Is this truly a miraculous “multiple shadow clone”?!

Metal Cooler was created through the “steel body” possessed by the Big Gete Star’s main computer. Astoundingly, there is no limit to its production speed.
It’s possible that far more were manufactured than the number that appeared on-screen..."

So yeah, the implication is that Metal Cooler had way more copies than the hundreds we saw. You can check the album I linked, it has the raw text and converted romaji if anyone wants to look a bit closer at how accurate that translation is.
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Yeah, the TL from Kanzentai indicates similar (though says nothing on production speed), I just wanted to focus on what we know for sure.
 
StekFence said:
Radiation of significant levels has a massive effect on electronics. He emits between 240 to 15,000, and electronics specialized for such things, which cooler is not, fail at low thousands. And he can emit beams that hit 83 billion.

Garou is passively getting stronger and equaling opponents who are stronger through his ad, while cooler is getting stronger as a response. So even if cooler becomes even more powerful, Garou matches that and then starts getting even stronger, while cooler would need time to adapt. And jumping in 0 time is not a technique they’d spam all the time I feel. Then again maybe they did and I just don’t remember, idk. Even if they did, he quickly becomes the better IT user. Irregardless, he should be able to sense the real cooler eventually, and Gete itself as the source of all this, and then nuke it. Considering it’s big, has a lot of energy, etc.
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This is the most compelling argument to me so far.
 
StekFence said:
Robots can be screwed over by radiation tbf. Specifically, their parts can just stop working with enough exposure, I wouldn’t know if it applies here though.
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Wait Cooler has Infinite speed with Instant Transmission correct?
 
Could Big Gete Star's computers resist Sub-Atomic Manip & Electricity Manip?

Gamma Ray Bursts generate this, which is accepted in the profile
Can produce ionizing radiation, which would strip off atoms from electrons, generating a wall of electric fields, which would originate a massive electromagnetic pulse in the area
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Scan is dead cuz YouTube removed the video, but the video is here, around 9:11 min.

But yeah, this could potentially **** its AI.
 
AmonInChains said:
Could Big Gete Star's computers resist Sub-Atomic Manip & Electricity Manip?

Gamma Ray Bursts generate this, which is accepted in the profile

Scan is dead cuz YouTube removed the video, but the video is here, around 9:11 min.

But yeah, this could potentially **** its AI.
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Also just realizing this should not only be a question for computers but for Cooler too, since he is a Cyborg.

Funnily, Garou could turn off Cooler or some shit like that lmao.
 
AmonInChains said:
Could Big Gete Star's computers resist Sub-Atomic Manip & Electricity Manip?
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Sub Atomic Manip is a no. I don't know about Electricity Manip because that gets into the specifics of how the energy absorption works, which we don't know (for reference, it's absorbed energy from the planet directly with the BGS, from the SSJs with wires internally, wirelessly absorbed energy from Namekians via it's Guard attackers gripping them, and general "energy from space"). But if we go by what's exactly known, no. But if you want to speculate on the effectiveness of it's energy absorption's potency, then maybe it could absorb that? Not sure.
AmonInChains said:
But yeah, this could potentially **** its AI.
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Well, I'm not sure it'd mess with the AI. The AI is just Cooler's real "regular" thoughts being translated through the medium of the BGS via his head's connection to the machine, so it's more like the M.Coolers (assuming this works) would be disconnected/have their thoughts messed with/separated/etc. from the main Cooler.
 
RedReaper616 said:
The AI is just Cooler's real "regular" thoughts being translated through the medium of the BGS via his head's connection to the machine
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The issue is precisely that the connection would be interfered. As the video mentions in the timestamp I posted, electric transformers explode, and phones & radios would be tapped, causing short circuits as a result cuz electromagnetic pulses by the manipulation of atoms/electrons.
 
AmonInChains said:
The issue is precisely that the connection would be interfered. As the video mentions in the timestamp I posted, electric transformers explode, and phones & radios would be tapped, causing short circuits as a result cuz electromagnetic pulses by the manipulation of atoms/electrons.
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That's why I said that Cooler himself should be fine (it's just his actual "brain") but the technology he'd be connected to would fail (like the Metal Coolers).

Cooler himself was perfectly fine alive as just a head prior to the Gete Star picking him up due to his alien physiology. All losing the Big Gete Star does is put him back to just a talking head--The Metal Coolers would be interfered with, ordinary Cooler head would just be...ordinary Cooler head.
 
I thought this happened before?

Anyway, Garou can copy everything that Cooler has. Since Qi/Ki is included amongst the "energies" that Garou has awareness and mastery over in One-Punch Man, he's able to mimic things that utilize said energies.

Inorganic Physiology Type 2 does not inherently grant resistances to ionizing radiation. As things like gamma radiation can still completely molecularly destroy matter in its vicinity under a high enough concentration. Radiation still affects stuff at the atomic level. Its just that Cooler wouldn't be susceptible to things like radiation poisoning.

Garou has no real reason to get ganged up on by a crazy amount of opponents since he has portal spam teleportation with interdimensional range. Which he can use to transport himself or just BFR the duplicates at will. He'll be able to fight them at his own pace because of that.

Instant transmission also isn't really a counter since it's less versatile and requires explicit energy signatures. And interdimensional range is just a lot more overpowered. And, Garou could likely just... copy Instant Transmission anyway?

Too much energy can overload his systems and cause the destruction of the Big Gete Star and the Meta Cooler army.[1]
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This is apparently a weakness of him and his army thing. Which is... pretty damn bad against an opponent like Garou whose whole thing is that he becomes massively stronger and faster as the fight goes on.

Would he not just eventually overwhelm the system in the same way with his exponential growth? A massive amount of opponents is cool and all but if Garou just becomes 100x stronger and faster than all of them, it's not really going to matter. And that's apparently all he needs to win the fight anyways.

What exactly can Cooler do here? People saying he would stomp but... if anything it seems the other way around for me. Anything he does gets copied and power-cliffed.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
He resists that.
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Resistance to:


 
And don't even try to say "willpower" because there is a thread to remove willpower from the verse

vsbattles.com

One Punch Man - Willpower is weird

Willpower and The Limiter page Willpower being a mechanic in-verse is fine and all, but many abilities here do not seem to be related with will. And that's it. I was gonna make a Cursed Energy revision but realized that there's too many JJK crts so I went with this EDIT: People seem to want...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

So what is usable from it is questionable
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
And don't even try to say "willpower" because there is a thread to remove willpower from the verse

vsbattles.com

One Punch Man - Willpower is weird

Willpower and The Limiter page Willpower being a mechanic in-verse is fine and all, but many abilities here do not seem to be related with will. And that's it. I was gonna make a Cursed Energy revision but realized that there's too many JJK crts so I went with this EDIT: People seem to want...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

So what is usable from it is questionable
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It's still currently there, so like???
 
StekFence said:
Robots can be screwed over by radiation tbf. Specifically, their parts can just stop working with enough exposure, I wouldn’t know if it applies here though.
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If they have no resistance and Garou's radiation is enough for it.
Phoenks said:
This is apparently a weakness of him and his army thing. Which is... pretty damn bad against an opponent like Garou whose whole thing is that he becomes massively stronger and faster as the fight goes on.
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Not to mention, constantly using divine energy based nukes that can make Blast's portal overload, who was comparable to him at a time.

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
And don't even try to say "willpower" because there is a thread to remove willpower from the verse

vsbattles.com

One Punch Man - Willpower is weird

Willpower and The Limiter page Willpower being a mechanic in-verse is fine and all, but many abilities here do not seem to be related with will. And that's it. I was gonna make a Cursed Energy revision but realized that there's too many JJK crts so I went with this EDIT: People seem to want...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

So what is usable from it is questionable
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That thread is to revome the page, not the abilities(changed later). Garou and Saitama are the two character who scales to all of them.
 
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