Garou Additions

[Farfetchedx]

Spoiler: Hero Hunter

Powers and Abilities
Abilities

• Preparation (Garou studied the fighting styles, secret techniques, and whereabouts of heroes from a hero guide before confronting them. He did this right before engaging Death Gatling's squad, which proved useful in the fight)
• Instinctive Reaction (Fist of Flowing Water, Crushed Rock allows his body to move autonomously during crisis, as demonstrated when he involuntarily used the technique to counter Tanktop Master's finishing blow, stating it "slipped out". Evaded Chain'n'Toad's Ear Nabber instinctively. Can fight while asleep) added the part about countering Tanktop Master and fighting asleep.
• Extrasensory Perception (Sensed he was being watched by a monster. Can sense bloodlust)
• Social Influencing (Reputation & Instigated Fear; Gained a reputation as the “Hero Hunter” for thrashing heroes, causing fear among many individuals, including Hero Association Executives who hired S-Class heroes as bodyguards to protect their top investors)
• Vibration Manipulation via Tanktop Blow (Garou unbalances and distracts his opponent by striking the ground with tremendous force, causing shockwaves to spread)
• Stealth Mastery (Snuck up on heroes, monsters, and even Hero Association executives)
• Energy Manipulation (Fist of Flowing Water, Crushed Rock takes knowledge of the flow of energy behind raging currents and tidal surges, recreating these forces within one's body and channeling them through the fists)
• Limited Damage Boost (Fist of Flowing Water, Crushed Rock can reflect attacks two-fold)

Resistance to:

• Poison Manipulation (Fought through the effects of poisonous arrows while battling multiple heroes)
• Pressure Points (Withstood Bang's Fist of Flowing Water, Crushed Rock, which incapacitates by striking pressure points)

Spoiler: Half-Monster

Powers and Abilities
Abilities

• Healing (Can replenish his blood by eating monsters)
• Fusionism (As his body healed from the injuries, his clothing fused with his wounds and hardened)
• Surface Scaling (Can run on walls) he could do this in his human key, but I wasn't sure if this was surface scaling since he's not moving
• Shockwave Generation & Durability Negation (Harmed Darkshine by sending shockwaves through his body, making him cough up blood from his mouth and nose. With Darkshine’s durability being so immense that he is incapable of even scratching himself, someone with comparable strength like Garou couldn’t have harmed him through conventional means)

Darkshine only took real damage within this moment of the fight. Here, Garou seems to use a mini Fa Jin, or perhaps just a regular one. Its effect is even identical to the one he used in chapter 163, causing a huge crater upon impact, with everything behind shown reduced to sand in the aftermath. Darkshine coughs up blood from his mouth and nose, with no visible marks on his skin, showing us that the damage was internal and likely ruptured organs. Darkshine also comments that Garou used him to improve his techniques after being hit by it, indicating that this is more than just AP. Darkshine's durability far exceeds his AP, evident in the fact that he can't even scratch himself. His AP should be comparable to Garou's, as implied during their clash and further supported when he effortlessly broke Garou’s shoulders with a counterattack. With that being said, Garou shouldn't have been able to damage Darkshine with purely AP.

Spoiler: Post-Darkshine

Powers and Abilities
Abilities

• Further Statistics Amplification (With Fist of Exploding Heart, Liberation, By making his heart pulse explosively in time with the impact of his punches, he can surpass the limits of his body)
• Limited Power Nullification (Canceled out Bomb's Fist of Whirling Wind, Slashing Steel)
• Bodily Weaponry (Grew sharp claws, spikes on his arms and shoulders, and sharp teeth)
• Light Manipulation (Formed a geometric structure of light trough sheer movement)
• Non-Physical Interaction (Elemental; Scales to Bang, who can interact with energy-based attacks. Superior in skill to heroes who could deflect Homeless Emperor’s energy spheres) he should be as skilled, if not more skilled than Bang at this point

Spoiler: Post-Sage Centipede

Powers and Abilities
Abilities

• Marksmanship (Successfully threw a helicopter in a net 500 meters away)
• Greater Reactive Evolution (Stated that his monsterification was speeding up. His body started to evolve due to his rage, causing him to overflow with power)
• Energy Projection (Unleashes attacks that discharge energy)
• Fire Manipulation (Has fire on his thighs and back) first image is from a retconned chapter but the form is still the same
• Unconventional Statistics Amplification (Can fire energy beams out of hands to propel himself forward and increase his speed for greater impact)
• Immortality (Types 3) & Regeneration (At least Low-Mid, up to (or possibly up to) High-Mid with Reactive Evolution; As a monster who broke his limiter, he should be capable of surviving and regenerating similarly to, if not greater than Orochi. Psykos stated that Garou had greater potential than Orochi)

So we know that Orochi’s immortality and regeneration comes from a combination of his willpower and monsterization. Garou monsterized by overcoming death like Orochi, and should be capable of evolving to his level of immortality and regeneration(assuming he wasn't already there), as he possesses even stronger willpower, and has broken his limiter(meaning he can grow limitlessly). We already accept that willpower should entail reactive evolution, meaning characters can gain new abilities or improve them, like Garou who gained wings, extra limbs, energy projection, fire manipulation, grew in size etc. similar to Orochi, who gained them through his reactive evolution. We've seen Garou's regeneration evolve overtime as well; going from healing his injuries from Tanktop Master in a day, to regenerating a hole in his abdomen overtime, to instantly regenerating his arm.

Edit:
Psykos did experiments on Orochi, making him experience near death conditions over and over again, causing his body to adapt and evolve. When Saitama turned Orochi into pieces, Orochi was able to regenerate due to his body evolving /overcoming near death conditions. Garou is explicitly stated to possess superior qualities and greater potential than Orochi. This directly implies that his adaptive abilities—regeneration included—would naturally evolve to meet and exceed the thresholds that Orochi had to reach in order to survive his own near-death experiences
So this is not just granting abilities based on being comparable. Regeneration is an inevitable stage among monsters who evolve through “overcoming death”.

Conclusion:
Garou should be able to evolve to High- Mid because:

• Garou’s regen has shown to evolve along with his power
• Gaoru has a higher ceiling for evolving than Orochi due to breaking his limiter
• Psykos down right stated that he can surpass Orochi, who evolved from being turned to meat pieces
• Regeneration is a guaranteed thing for monsters experiencing growth through overcoming near death/death.

Spoiler: Cosmic Fear Mode

Powers and Abilities
Abilities

• Explosion Manipulation, Heat Manipulation & Sound Manipulation (With Nuclear Fission, which can reach temperatures of tens of millions of degrees and exceed 240 decibels, capable of killing a human through multiple lethal effects)
• Greater Fear Manipulation & Aura (His aura exudes pressure that causes fear and despair)

Resistance to:

• Explosion Manipulation & Extreme Temperatures (Unaffected by his own nuclear fission explosions, which can reach tens of millions of degrees. Fought on the -130 degree surface of Io with no issue) added explosion manipulation
• Fear Manipulation (Resisted the fear induced by God's mere presence. He also showed no signs of fear as his life and power were being stripped away, which had Homeless Emperor afraid)

Spoiler: Parallel Timeline

Powers and Abilities
Abilities

• Dimensional Travel (via portals) he already has interdimensional range on his profile for returning from the dimension blast sent him
• Greater Enhanced Senses (After copying Saitama, he was able to maneuver and fight him across the remains of IO—which is larger than Earth's moon—despite being completely disoriented just moments prior, unable to tell which way was up or down, like a bug trapped in a shaking cage. He should also be able to determine where a portal will lead the moment it opens, similar to Saitama) —This was already accepted in this thread but wasn't applied
• Non-Physical Interaction (or possibly) (Space & Spirit; Should have acquired this ability after copying Saitama upon witnessing him perform it)

Garou can copy abilities and improve them at blazing speeds. He copied Blast’s portals and gravity knuckles. He also copied Saitama stats. Garou’s power allows him to gain the demonstrated abilities of a person he copies. This is evident when he gained Saitama’s enhanced senses & ability to time travel. He copied Saitama’s level of awareness and sensory perception, which made him go from being completely disoriented on IO, unable to tell which way is up from down, to effortlessly maneuvering across the rocks. He also performed the time travel technique he previously couldn’t after witnessing Saitama execute it successfully.
Giving Garou at least Possibly NPI shouldn’t be an issue since we gave Orochi a possible rating for Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist and Awakening Breath because he copied one of Garou’s other techniques. If anything, this case has even more evidence supporting it.
Not sure if this should include spiritual NPI, since he never saw Saitama interact with spiritual stuff. But we’ve seen Garou use the abilities he copies in ways beyond what was shown, like when he used Gravity Knuckle to absorb a blast, due to his understanding of the flow of all forces in the universe..

Resistances to:

• Possibly Shockwave Generation & Durability Negation (Scaling to Saitama, who resisted the Fist of Roaring Qi, Rending Air)

Same as the NPI justification, Garou gains the the demonstrated abilities/qualities of the people he copies.

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, FinePoint(agrees with possible High-Mid regeneration and everything else), LephyrTheRevanchist(only disagrees with limited Power Nullification), ActuallySpaceMan42(only disagrees with limited Power Nullification, Initial Energy Manipulation, and the Immortality & Regen scaled from Orochi)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks pretty good from a glance. Except for "Resistance to Durability Negation." It has been said we do not just give general resistances to durability negation, it would more so be a resistance to what hax ability that durability negation method is.

 

[FinePoint]

Same as DDM.

 

[Epiccheev]

Peak Garruo moment

 

[MrTayman616]

I disagree with regeneration high-mid.

Garou having the potential to rival Orochi doesn't imply him having high mid regen in any way.

Nor Garou has any feats of regeneration at that level.

Garou's copies are based on the flow of energy and forces in the universe, NPI for souls shouldn't apply.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Finally Garou gets NPI like Saitama.
Only it's in his PT key lmao.

 

[FinePoint]

I disagree with regeneration high-mid.

Garou having the potential to rival Orochi doesn't imply him having high mid regen in any way.

That's a great point.

I concur. We don't grant abilities based on being comparable.

Monsterization manifests differently in everyone so that's irrelevant too.

 

[Farfetchedx]

That's a great point.

I concur. We don't grant abilities based on being comparable.

Monsterization manifests differently in everyone so that's irrelevant to.

Except the regeneration comes from overcoming death, which we accept as a part of willpower. To break it down, the secret to monsterization = overcoming death multiple times, as stated by Psykos. Overcoming death multiple times = having to progressively regenerate from greater injuries each time. Orochi overcame death multiple times due to Psykos' experiments(which she was planning to do on Garou to surpass Orochi), and we essentially see him overcoming it again when Saitama turned him into chunks of meat. Garou has a higher ceiling(due to removing his limiter), which means he can overcome death and evolve further than Orochi could.

 

[MrTayman616]

Except the regeneration comes from overcoming death, which we accept as a part of willpower. To break it down, the secret to monsterization = overcoming death multiple times, as stated by Psykos. Overcoming death multiple times = having to progressively regenerate from greater injuries each time. Orochi overcame death multiple times due to Psykos' experiments(which she was planning to do on Garou to surpass Orochi), and we essentially see him overcoming it again when Saitama turned him into chunks of meat. Garou has a higher ceiling(due to removing his limiter), which means he can overcome death and evolve further than Orochi could.

This isn't the same.

They evolve via overcoming Death. Orochi just evolved in a way that changed his body like that.

Orochi's casual regeneration via absorbing blood etc. is something he gained, he has it. Not something he can only show when he overcomes death.

At the very best, it proves evolution via breaking the limiter can make you gain high-mid regeneration. Also Dr.Genus who have created high-mid regeneration Zombieman, states his artifical evolution has lost against Limiter.

So at best, you might possibly gain it. But that's all, we don't know if Garou got the ability, or if he reached that level.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I agree with Tayman but I'm also unsure about power nullification, he kidna just did the same thing Bomb did.

Like you wouldn't say someone is nullifying a sword attack by blocking it with another sword so Garou blocking Bombs martial arts by using them himself isn't really power null either.

And if so it should be limited at best

 

[MrTayman616]

I agree with Tayman but I'm also unsure about power nullification, he kidna just did the same thing Bomb did.

Like you wouldn't say someone is nullifying a sword attack by blocking it with another sword so Garou blocking Bombs martial arts by using them himself isn't really power null either.

And if so it should be limited at best

I agree. It should work only for martial arts he can copy and master in my opinion.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I agree. It should work only for martial arts he can copy and master in my opinion.

Yeah exactly. Even then it's debatable whether it's enough to actually consider "power nullification".

Technically if he were to do this with a regular punch he could still accidentally break his arm because he's not actually nullifying the attack, just blocking it.

 

[Epiccheev]

I agree with Tayman but I'm also unsure about power nullification, he kidna just did the same thing Bomb did.

Like you wouldn't say someone is nullifying a sword attack by blocking it with another sword so Garou blocking Bombs martial arts by using them himself isn't really power null either.

And if so it should be limited at best

Yeah, regardless of complexity WICF is still a purely physical martial arts technique. Garou verbatim nulled it by using the same technique to nullify it. Wich would at best be a precision feat.

 

[Farfetchedx]

At the very best, it proves evolution via breaking the limiter can make you gain high-mid regeneration. Also Dr.Genus who have created high-mid regeneration Zombieman, states his artifical evolution has lost against Limiter.

So at best, you might possibly gain it. But that's all, we don't know if Garou got the ability, or if he reached that level.

This is what I was suggesting. That's why I have "High-Mid through Reactive Evolution," and not just High-Mid. Guess I could add Dr.Genus' statement as well

Like you wouldn't say someone is nullifying a sword attack by blocking it with another sword so Garou blocking Bombs martial arts by using them himself isn't really power null either.

power null is the ability to nullify power and abilities. A sword attack isn't a power or ability. Though I suppose it should be limited

 

[DavidTPPM]

power null is the ability to nullify power and abilities. A sword attack isn't a power or ability. Though I suppose it should be limited

A sword slash or a punch are as much of an ability as Bombs martial art.
If simply matching someone's attack was enough for PN everyone who has ever clashed with someone would have limited PN

 

[MrTayman616]

If simply matching someone's attack was enough for PN everyone who has ever clashed with someone would have limited PN

Bomb was surprised it happened, also considering he's the master of the technique and Garou's only knowledge of it was his fight against Bang, Bomb and Genos.

So Garou masters them in a way he can figure out how to nullify the technique.

Something like this i guess?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Bomb was surprised it happened, also considering he's the master of the technique and Garou's only knowledge of it was his fight against Bang, Bomb and Genos.

So Garou masters them in a way he can figure out how to nullify the technique.

Something like this i guess?

Nah he literally just uses it on Bomb with insane accuracy to cancel it out.

Imagine trying to hit someone with your nails and they perfectly align their own nails with their. You'd be pretty shocked as well because that takes some crazy accuracy and fast thinking.

 

[Recon1511]

This is what I was suggesting. That's why I have "High-Mid through Reactive Evolution," and not just High-Mid. Guess I could add Dr.Genus' statement as well

Orochi achieved his regen because of fully transforming into a monster and turning his body into a dragon-worm-centipede-whateverthefuckheis that has a "heart element" from which he can regenerate by absorbing flesh, saying Garou could do the same is completely unfounded.

 

[Kachon123]

Orochi achieved his regen because of fully transforming into a monster and turning his body into a dragon-worm-centipede-whateverthefuckheis that has a "heart element" from which he can regenerate by absorbing flesh, saying Garou could do the same is completely unfounded.

That’s not really what Farfetchedx is suggesting. Orochi developed a specific form of regeneration, as noted, but Garou has one too albeit different. He regenerates by absorbing the surrounding black matter and fusing with the substances surrounding him. While the mechanics differ, the point remains that Garou is outright stated to have superior qualities and greater potential than Orochi. That directly implies that his adaptive traits including his regeneration, would evolve to meet and surpass the same thresholds Orochi had to overcome to survive his own death scenarios.

Garou wouldn't be able to make it through those levels of damage endured unless his Reactive Evolution had developed his regeneration to comparable or greater levels.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Like you wouldn't say someone is nullifying a sword attack by blocking it with another sword so Garou blocking Bombs martial arts by using them himself isn't really power null either.

Correct. It's a skill feat, but not power nullification.

Rest is fine. What has been accepted can be applied.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Correct. It's a skill feat, but not power nullification.

Rest is fine. What has been accepted can be applied.

I think FinePoint changed his vote on the regeneration. Can that part still be added?

 

[Farfetchedx]

That's a great point.

I concur. We don't grant abilities based on being comparable.

Monsterization manifests differently in everyone so that's irrelevant too.

What's your current view on the regeneration part?

 

[FinePoint]

What's your current view on the regeneration part?

I don't currently support it without actual feats.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I think FinePoint changed his vote on the regeneration. Can that part still be added?

No

Up to you if you want to wait for it.

 

[Farfetchedx]

I don't currently support it without actual feats.

Well considering that his regen has shown to improve greatly while evolving (taking time to regenerating a hole in his abdomen, to instantly regenerating his arm), and we know he can evolve infinitely + Psykos' statement, couldn't a possibly ratting be given? Also its impossible to have feats when I'm suggesting that he'll evolve to it, otherwise I would've just suggested he had it

 

[MrTayman616]

Well considering that his regen has shown to improve greatly while evolving (taking time to regenerating a hole in his abdomen, to instantly regenerating his arm), and we know he can evolve infinitely + Psykos' statement, couldn't a possibly ratting be given?

"Possibly" implies he achieved it.

We don't know if he reached his potential or if the potential refer to everything in total etc.

The only thing that is known that he could reach it over time, but it could take weeks etc, simply lacks too much to be added in my opinion

 

[Farfetchedx]

"Possibly" implies he achieved it.

I don't get this, if he achieved it, why wouldn't he just get a solid rating?

I think you guys are missing the point that I'm saying when I he should have High -Mid regen "with Reactive Evolution", meaning he hasn't achieved it yet, but should after evolving.

also the potential is about evolving, which Orochi does to survive

 

[MrTayman616]

I don't get this, if he achieved it, why wouldn't he just get a solid rating?

That's the point, he didn't.

Possibly means "he might have it".

I think you guys are missing the point that I'm saying when I he should have High -Mid regen "with Reactive Evolution", meaning he hasn't achieved it yet, but should after evolving.

But it's simply unknown. We don't know how long it would take. Or how it would work.

I don't think it'd be usable.

 

[Kachon123]

At least Low-Mid, possibly up to High-Mid with Reactive Evolution

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The only things I disagree with are the limited Power Nullification, Initial Energy Manipulation, and the Immortality & Regen scaled from Orochi

 

[Kachon123]

At least Low-Mid, possibly up to High-Mid with Reactive Evolution

I'd ask FinePoint his thoughts on this before doing so

 

[Farfetchedx]

I don't currently support it without actual feats.

At least Low-Mid, possibly up to High-Mid with Reactive Evolution

What are your thought's on this suggestion. Also, I added some more explanations in the OP for it here.

 

[FinePoint]

What are your thought's on this suggestion. Also, I added some more explanations in the OP for it here.

"Possibly up to" is probably fine, so it can be restricted if people find it unlikely.

 

[MrTayman616]

"Possibly up to" is probably fine, so it can be restricted if people find it unlikely.

If it's getting accepted, it should be noted that Garou doesn't start with it but can reach it within time (or via overcoming death and RE etc).

At least in my opinion :d

 

[Farfetchedx]

"Possibly up to" is probably fine, so it can be restricted if people find it unlikely.

Alright, I'll apply the changes. You can close this

If it's getting accepted, it should be noted that Garou doesn't start with it but can reach it within time (or via overcoming death and RE etc).

At least in my opinion :d

Sure

 

[FinePoint]

Alright, I'll apply the changes. You can close this

I will do so then.