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Fusion Multiplier (DBZ, DBS, etc.)

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Formula(s):
Fusion is given multiple canonical formulas:
1. A * B
2. (A + B) * C
3. (A + B) * 10 * D
However, because D is canonically 2-9 (数十 = several tens (20-90)), formula 3, by resulting in no more than 180x fusee, contradicts established Statistical Ratings: (Vegito DBZ > SSJ3 (400x) Goku, Vegito DBS > SSBKKx10 Goku, Gogeta > SSB Goku).

assuming both fusees are equal in power (A = B),
let C = A/2,
then A * B = (A + B) * C

Therefore, there exists a choice of the unspecified constant, C, for which two of the canonical expressions are equivalent; as such, the formulas are mathematically compatible and need not be treated as mutually exclusive, with C varying by fusee power level.

Application:
Now that we've established the fusion formula(s). Let's apply them.

Fusion = A * B.
If A = 2 and B = 2. A fusee gets 2 times stronger when fusing, but if both are three, a fusee gets 3 times stronger. Therefore we must use proper units, the canon ones. The dreaded power levels. The latest knowable one is 150 million, given everyone is far above that now, we'll use it as a baseline, treating the fusion as a constant fusee multiplier of 150 million.

Current SSG mult accounts only for the fusion's transformations (160k), not the fusion itself: 150mil * 160k = 24 Trillion.
Subsequent forms' multipliers change accordingly.

In conclusion, buff the following Speeds:
Note: Only Speed will change in the profiles. AP work shown will only change in the Dragon Ball Anime: Statistical Ratings.
 
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If this were the Outskirts Battledome, it would be just as easy as you say it would be to handle multiversal stats since they did things linearly, but here in Vs Battles Wiki? Yeah, no. I don't make the rules. I just follow whatever logic these powerscaling websites want me to follow. I'm too jaded to follow any one site's ruleset like a gospel these days, which will keep me from achieving any staff position on here besides "math man."
 
I will comment later with all the stuff I have in mind, but first I must point out the problems with your interptetation of the scans:
First, what's the source for this scan?

Also, I asked AI to translate the scan and it seems like the × isn't for a multiplier, but rather for their combination, like the × in Spy×Family.
This one is actually fine
Tens of times doesn't mean 10^D, it means 10*D. So, basically, D = C/10, not log(C).
 
First, what's the source for this scan?
Dragon Ball Super Exciting Guide page 63.
Also, I asked AI to translate the scan and it seems like the × isn't for a multiplier, but rather for their combination, like the × in Spy×Family.
Doesn't explain the equal sign or the text: The power up owing to the merger is not the sum of their two battle powers, but something as amazing as "multiplication"!
Tens of times doesn't mean 10^D, it means 10*D. So, basically, D = C/10, not log(C).
Fixed
 
Fusion is given multiple canonical formulas:
1. A * B
2. (A + B) * C
3. (A + B) * 10 * D
However, because the constants aren't defined, they aren't mutually exclusive.

assuming both fusees are equal in power (A = B),
let C = A/2, and D = C/10,
then A * B = (A + B) * C = (A + B) * 10 * D
To clarify, it all just comes back to A*B or A^2 if the two people are equal.

Essentially, an exponential increase in speed?
 
To clarify, it all just comes back to A*B or A^2 if the two people are equal.

Essentially, an exponential increase in speed?
In theory, it would be exponential, but we don't have power levels past namek. Therefore, in practice 150 mil (highest knowable, everyone's surpassed).
 
Dragon Ball Super Exciting Guide page 63.
Found the translations online, couldn't find the full scans though.
Doesn't explain the equal sign
The combination of Goku and Vegeta is Vegito is pretty straightforward. "Goku×Vegeta=Vegito" is just saying what the product of their combination is.
or the text: The power up owing to the merger is not the sum of their two battle powers, but something as amazing as "multiplication"!
Yes, it says their power is multiplied, but it doesn't say what the other factor of the multiplication is.

Saying it's one's power lvl × the other's power lvl is basically saying:

A×B = (A+B)×C (C<100, due to it being tens, not hundreds/thousands/whatever of times).

Assuming A=B (becasue base Goku and Vegeta are basucally equal for most of DBZ, including the Buu saga which is what the scan is reffering to), you'd have A² < A×200😖. See the problem?

Basically all the scans are saying the same thing: the fusion multiplier is basically (A+B) multiplied by C, with C<100.
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Yes, it says their power is multiplied, but it doesn't say what the other factor of the multiplication is.
saying × isnt for a multiplier ignores the multiplicative context of the scan. They give us an equation right after saying their power is multiplied.
C<100, due to it being tens, not hundreds/thousands/whatever of times
You're right, Japanese has distinct lexical expressions for tens/hundreds/thousands:
  • 十 = ten
  • 数十 = several tens (20-90)
  • 百 = hundred
  • 数百 = several hundreds
  • 千 = thousand
  • 数千 = several thousands
However, a 180 (90*2) times multiplier cap would contradict established Statistical Ratings (Vegito DBZ > SSJ3 (400x) Goku, Vegito DBS > SSBKKx10 Goku, Gogeta > SSB Goku).

Fixed.
 
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I'd appreciate more specific criticisms.
There has already been a DB CRT to axe stacking together multipliers to ridiculous levels that don't have any support in the series. How can we tell that it is reliable for the characters to have speed ratings in the Quattuordecillion c level? Where are the supporting feats, calcs or statements for this massive extrapolation?
 
There has already been a DB CRT to axe stacking together multipliers to ridiculous levels that don't have any support in the series. How can we tell that it is reliable for the characters to have speed ratings in the Quattuordecillion c level? Where are the supporting feats, calcs or statements for this massive extrapolation?
I'm using the accepted statistical ratings, most of the things you're asking for can be found there.

However, fusion mult is unknown and thus ignored when deriving SSG mult. I'm using canonical equations to derive a baseline for fusion mult: highest knowable power level beneath fusee's.

SSG = Fusion * Forms
Original Calc:
1 * (400*400)
New Calc:
150mil * (400*400)
 
saying × isnt for a multiplier ignores the multiplicative context of the scan. They give us an equation right after saying their power is multiplied.

You're right, Japanese has distinct lexical expressions for tens/hundreds/thousands:
  • 十 = ten
  • 数十 = several tens (20-90)
  • 百 = hundred
  • 数百 = several hundreds
  • 千 = thousand
  • 数千 = several thousands
However, a 180 (90*2) times multiplier cap would contradict established Statistical Ratings (Vegito DBZ > SSJ3 (400x) Goku, Vegito DBS > SSBKKx10 Goku, Gogeta > SSB Goku).

Fixed.
Tens of times is actually 20-99 but yeah not too big of a difference.

Also it honestly seems more to me that fusion multiplier takes into account Fusee A and Fusee B at their strongest rather than their base. It doesn't really make much sense otherwise with how the base fusions are almost always treated as being massively above the individual fusees strongest forms.
 
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