Fusion Multiplier (DBZ, DBS, etc.)

[ComicCalc]

Formula(s):
Fusion is given multiple canonical formulas:
1. A * B
2. (A + B) * C
3. (A + B) * 10 * D
However, because D is canonically 2-9 (数十 = several tens (20-90)), formula 3, by resulting in no more than 180x fusee, contradicts established Statistical Ratings: (Vegito DBZ > SSJ3 (400x) Goku, Vegito DBS > SSBKKx10 Goku, Gogeta > SSB Goku).

assuming both fusees are equal in power (A = B),
let C = A/2,
then A * B = (A + B) * C

Therefore, there exists a choice of the unspecified constant, C, for which two of the canonical expressions are equivalent; as such, the formulas are mathematically compatible and need not be treated as mutually exclusive, with C varying by fusee power level.

Application:
Now that we've established the fusion formula(s). Let's apply them.

Fusion = A * B.
If A = 2 and B = 2. A fusee gets 2 times stronger when fusing, but if both are three, a fusee gets 3 times stronger. Therefore we must use proper units, the canon ones. The dreaded power levels. The latest knowable one is 150 million, given everyone is far above that now, we'll use it as a baseline, treating the fusion as a constant fusee multiplier of 150 million.

In conclusion, buff the following Speeds:

• Vegito DBZ: 150000000 * (0.00125 * 3 Universes & 2,173,663,541.6 c) = 187500 * 3 Universes & 326 Quadrillion c
• SSG mult of 160000 to 150mil. Subsequent forms' multipliers change accordingly.
• Goku DBS Anime (Battle of Gods): 150000000 * (0.0025 * 3 & 3,260,495,312.4 c) = 375000 * 3 Universes & 489 Quadrillion c
• Goku DBS Anime (Resurrection of F): x2 = 750000 * 3 Universes & 978 Quadrillion c
• Goku DBS Anime ("Future" Trunks Saga): (150mil / 160k) * (6.4 Billion * 3 Universes & 1.892 Nonillion c) = 6 Trillion * 3 Universes & 1.77375 Decillion c
• Vegito DBS and Goku DBS Anime (Universal Survival Saga) and Gohan (Super Hero): (150mil / 160k) * (512 Quadrillion * 3 Universes & 151.36 Undecillion c) = 480 Quintillion * 3 Universes & 1.419 Duodecillion c
• Vegeta DBS Anime: same as Goku (minus Battle of Gods)
• All respective Goku and Vegita transformations Speed must change accordingly (Pre Universal Survival Saga for AP)

Note: Only Speed will change in the profiles. AP work shown will only change in the Dragon Ball Anime: Statistical Ratings.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

....what is actually being changed and how? Like, some numbers please?

 

[Lilybitdun]

We don't let finite multipliers increase the amount of infinite sized universes the character can destroy

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_How_do_multipliers_affect_Tier_2_and_Tier_1_ratings?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That's not how it works by the look of it...

 

[Flashlight237]

If this were the Outskirts Battledome, it would be just as easy as you say it would be to handle multiversal stats since they did things linearly, but here in Vs Battles Wiki? Yeah, no. I don't make the rules. I just follow whatever logic these powerscaling websites want me to follow. I'm too jaded to follow any one site's ruleset like a gospel these days, which will keep me from achieving any staff position on here besides "math man."

 

[Robo432343]

We don't let finite multipliers increase the amount of infinite sized universes the character can destroy

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_How_do_multipliers_affect_Tier_2_and_Tier_1_ratings?

This should be included in our multipliers page, not just the FAQ

 

[ComicCalc]

We don't let finite multipliers increase the amount of infinite sized universes the character can destroy

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_How_do_multipliers_affect_Tier_2_and_Tier_1_ratings?

Fixed

 

[ItsMeat]

I will comment later with all the stuff I have in mind, but first I must point out the problems with your interptetation of the scans:

1. A * B

First, what's the source for this scan?

Also, I asked AI to translate the scan and it seems like the × isn't for a multiplier, but rather for their combination, like the × in Spy×Family.

2. (A + B) * C

This one is actually fine

3. (A + B) * 10^D

Tens of times doesn't mean 10^D, it means 10*D. So, basically, D = C/10, not log(C).

 

[ComicCalc]

First, what's the source for this scan?

Dragon Ball Super Exciting Guide page 63.

Also, I asked AI to translate the scan and it seems like the × isn't for a multiplier, but rather for their combination, like the × in Spy×Family.

Doesn't explain the equal sign or the text: The power up owing to the merger is not the sum of their two battle powers, but something as amazing as "multiplication"!

Tens of times doesn't mean 10^D, it means 10*D. So, basically, D = C/10, not log(C).

Fixed

 

[Xdsagecat]

Oh this is so gonna get sent to the staff channel, or end in 5+ pages of debates.

Anyway following

 

[Firestorm808]

Fusion is given multiple canonical formulas:
1. A * B
2. (A + B) * C
3. (A + B) * 10 * D
However, because the constants aren't defined, they aren't mutually exclusive.

assuming both fusees are equal in power (A = B),
let C = A/2, and D = C/10,
then A * B = (A + B) * C = (A + B) * 10 * D

To clarify, it all just comes back to A*B or A^2 if the two people are equal.

Essentially, an exponential increase in speed?

 

[Robo432343]

shouldn't this be closed for breaking multiplier rules

 

[ComicCalc]

shouldn't this be closed for breaking multiplier rules

Fixed. Only Speed affected.

 

[ComicCalc]

To clarify, it all just comes back to A*B or A^2 if the two people are equal.

Essentially, an exponential increase in speed?

In theory, it would be exponential, but we don't have power levels past namek. Therefore, in practice 150 mil (highest knowable, everyone's surpassed).

 

[ItsMeat]

Dragon Ball Super Exciting Guide page 63.

Found the translations online, couldn't find the full scans though.

Doesn't explain the equal sign

The combination of Goku and Vegeta is Vegito is pretty straightforward. "Goku×Vegeta=Vegito" is just saying what the product of their combination is.

or the text: The power up owing to the merger is not the sum of their two battle powers, but something as amazing as "multiplication"!

Yes, it says their power is multiplied, but it doesn't say what the other factor of the multiplication is.

Saying it's one's power lvl × the other's power lvl is basically saying:

A×B = (A+B)×C (C<100, due to it being tens, not hundreds/thousands/whatever of times).

Assuming A=B (becasue base Goku and Vegeta are basucally equal for most of DBZ, including the Buu saga which is what the scan is reffering to), you'd have A² < A×200. See the problem?

Basically all the scans are saying the same thing: the fusion multiplier is basically (A+B) multiplied by C, with C<100.

Fixed

 

[ComicCalc]

Yes, it says their power is multiplied, but it doesn't say what the other factor of the multiplication is.

saying × isnt for a multiplier ignores the multiplicative context of the scan. They give us an equation right after saying their power is multiplied.

C<100, due to it being tens, not hundreds/thousands/whatever of times

You're right, Japanese has distinct lexical expressions for tens/hundreds/thousands:

• 十 = ten
• 数十 = several tens (20-90)
• 百 = hundred
• 数百 = several hundreds
• 千 = thousand
• 数千 = several thousands

However, a 180 (90*2) times multiplier cap would contradict established Statistical Ratings (Vegito DBZ > SSJ3 (400x) Goku, Vegito DBS > SSBKKx10 Goku, Gogeta > SSB Goku).

Fixed.

 

[Damage3245]

Feels like this should be the jokes sub-forum.

 

[Robo432343]

Feels like this should be the jokes sub-forum.

It’s just a new user

 

[ComicCalc]

Feels like this should be the jokes sub-forum.

It’s just a new user

I'd appreciate more specific criticisms.

 

[Damage3245]

I'd appreciate more specific criticisms.

There has already been a DB CRT to axe stacking together multipliers to ridiculous levels that don't have any support in the series. How can we tell that it is reliable for the characters to have speed ratings in the Quattuordecillion c level? Where are the supporting feats, calcs or statements for this massive extrapolation?