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Alright, as promised, here is the second Fullmetal Alchemist revision thread. It will tackle the actual statistics of the characters. First off, let's talk about the bulk of the characters, the ones that are currently 8-C, Edward, Alphonse, Scar, and just about everyone else that scales to that level. I said this was gonna be the last but it got too long, I still have a lot of scaling stuff to talk about and while most of it does affect only one or two characters, some might get controversial so we will wait on that eh.
Those blogs contain a bunch of unrelated stuff that I will get into later or just not use at all, and more relevantly:
Scaling stays the same with one minor exception: Mustang ripped apart some of Lust's flesh and also punched Edward hard enough to make him reel, so he scales to 8-C.
That needs to be estabilished, though, because I am slightly suspicious of the current Supersonic+ feat, which is Ed dodging a bullet from Marcoh. The bullet is already whizzing past Ed's head by the time of the next panel so we don't know just how much he moved in relation to it, and at this level of distance one should also account for the gun's length, since the bullet doesn't come from the tip but the center of it. Recalculated that way, I got Subsonic+, which does fall in line with this Transonic feat I calculated.
Now, the real issue... You know how I said everyone scales to everyone in speed? Well, the one, partial exception to this is Wrath, the speed god tier of the verse (minus Truth), and the only one with a speed feat above Transonic, Hypersonic in this case. Now, Hypersonic isn't an outlier for the verse, while they do struggle somewhat with guns they can dodge bullets pretty consistently, with the only people that really get tagged consistently being the Homunculi, who don't care about getting shot at all. The issue is based on whether anyone else should scale to Wrath:
Wrath has a tendency to hold back and an even stronger tendency to blitz just about anyone when he doesn't, the only instance of someone keeping up with Wrath is a tag-team of Ling and Fu, who land no hits on him during the whole fight and end up losing anyway, he's only defeated by a sneak attack that gave him a mortal wound, and even after that he's slightly faster than Scar, who's among the quickest in the cast. Conclusion, I don't think anyone but Wrath scales to Wrath's own Hypersonic feat.
So, here's my proposal for LS scaling, it has a couple minor assumptions in it and I am willing to change it, but it makes sense at least to me. Without these assumptions the scaling would be a mess, for example Alphonse would be Peak Human despite being one of the physically strongest characters in the series, so I think this is the best way to work it out. Open to suggestions, though.
Striking Strength
Currently, 8-C comes from two calculations, the Sloth crater in chapter 66 and the explosion Edward survives in chapter 76. I have recalculated both of them [1, 2], and Sloth's feat is now 9-A+/8-C, while Edward's is 8-B. That... is not good, they're way too far apart to be considered consistent especially with Sloth (even casual) being the absolute strongest in this tier. So I went and calculated a lot more feats. [1, 2]Those blogs contain a bunch of unrelated stuff that I will get into later or just not use at all, and more relevantly:
- A fairly casual 2+e9 J 8-C feat, done by Gluttony, who is among the stronger people on this level, but fights just about anyone and gets hurt by them too.
- And then, a little bit of an annoying feat: a 8+e9 Joules feat that Edward and Fu survive, although we don't know how far away Fu was. Regardless, it was pretty close to Ed, so it would definitely scale to him. The issue here, is that the same kinda bomb completely blows Gluttony apart when shoved in his mouth.
Scaling stays the same with one minor exception: Mustang ripped apart some of Lust's flesh and also punched Edward hard enough to make him reel, so he scales to 8-C.
Speed
Not much changes scaling-wise, just about everyone scales to anyone in speed and that is how it should be, early Edward and Al get blitzed by Scar but they end up downscaling back to him because Ed fights Greed who fights Izumi who fights Sloth who fights Armstrong who fights Scar, and that doesn't really matter because Ed and Al catch up to Scar in speed anyway as the series goes on.That needs to be estabilished, though, because I am slightly suspicious of the current Supersonic+ feat, which is Ed dodging a bullet from Marcoh. The bullet is already whizzing past Ed's head by the time of the next panel so we don't know just how much he moved in relation to it, and at this level of distance one should also account for the gun's length, since the bullet doesn't come from the tip but the center of it. Recalculated that way, I got Subsonic+, which does fall in line with this Transonic feat I calculated.
Now, the real issue... You know how I said everyone scales to everyone in speed? Well, the one, partial exception to this is Wrath, the speed god tier of the verse (minus Truth), and the only one with a speed feat above Transonic, Hypersonic in this case. Now, Hypersonic isn't an outlier for the verse, while they do struggle somewhat with guns they can dodge bullets pretty consistently, with the only people that really get tagged consistently being the Homunculi, who don't care about getting shot at all. The issue is based on whether anyone else should scale to Wrath:
Wrath has a tendency to hold back and an even stronger tendency to blitz just about anyone when he doesn't, the only instance of someone keeping up with Wrath is a tag-team of Ling and Fu, who land no hits on him during the whole fight and end up losing anyway, he's only defeated by a sneak attack that gave him a mortal wound, and even after that he's slightly faster than Scar, who's among the quickest in the cast. Conclusion, I don't think anyone but Wrath scales to Wrath's own Hypersonic feat.
Lifting Strength
And this is where the cold, hard logic I brought to the table is replaced by just shrugging, admitting this is a mess, and eyeballing stuff. I jest, but also not really, Lifting Strength in FMA is a mess, Edward Elric basically never grapples anyone in a straightforward way, Scar never grapples anyone due to the fact that landing a grab is already an instant win for him, and so on- It's good writing, shows that Arakawa has a great eye for how her characters would approach a fight instead of making them just do stuff cause it looks cool... But it also makes scaling a mess. Just about nobody would scale to anyone LS-wise even when they are clearly estabilished to be stronger, which feels pretty wrong when the show's actual showings of LS are all pretty coherent.So, here's my proposal for LS scaling, it has a couple minor assumptions in it and I am willing to change it, but it makes sense at least to me. Without these assumptions the scaling would be a mess, for example Alphonse would be Peak Human despite being one of the physically strongest characters in the series, so I think this is the best way to work it out. Open to suggestions, though.
- Feat 1: Lan Fan and Fu have a Class 10 feat.
- Edward and Lan Fan can grapple each other.
- Alphonse is strongerthan Edward.
- Gluttony tosses Alphonse away easily. "At least Class 10"
- Scar is generally portrayed as much stronger and faster than Ed and Al early on (with the chapter where they fight Lan Fan and Fu being part of that "early on"), and the two choose to work together to pin him down (In the same scan Scar also stops a punch from Ed), so "Possibly Class 10".
- Izumi basically never grapples (she throws Sloth once but by using his momentum and she sure as **** ain't Class K) but trained Ed and Al and is much stronger than them so I think possibly Class 10 should work.
- Alphonse is strongerthan Edward.
- Edward and Lan Fan can grapple each other.
- Feat 2: Envy can jump around with his Class 10 weight.
- Scales only to Envy, however the feat is just below Class 25 (9.53 tons vs 10) and he's much stronger in his true, giant form, so likely Class 25 for it.
- Ling can grapple Envy somewhat but is weaker. Considering he should be on par with Lan Fan and Fu I'm just reporting this as additional evidence for him to scale to their Class 10 feat.
- Feat 3: Greed stops a truck, Class 25.
- Greed can overpower Alphonse with a single hand. Mind you the snake chimera girl was inside Al, but she's unable to stop him completely, only slow him down. This is just to show that Class 25 shouldn't scale to everyone.
- Wrath can grapple with Greed and clash with him
- Buccaneer overpowered Wrath's grip strength just with his abs, so "at least Class 25".
- Pride is waaaay more powerful than Greed and can restrain him so likely Class 25? You could have him at Class K considering his claim of being the "strongest homunculus", but IDK if that's how we use that kind of statement.
- Feat 4: Alex Armstrong stops Sloth, Class K.
- Sig Curtis shared a LS feat evenly with Armstrong, and considering it was strong enough to kill Sloth I think saying he's equal-ish to Armstrong in strength should be fine, especially considering that whole scene where they show off their muscles to each other.
- Sloth is way stronger than them still so Class K for him too.
- Father probably upscales from Sloth by virtue of being, y'know, Father.
- Feat 5: Darius throws a huge block, Class K.
- Maybe scales to the other chimeras?
- Olivier, Hohenheim, Mustang, Lust, Xiao-May Chang, The Slicer Bros, Barry The Chopper all are screwed scaling-wise, even with the few assumptions I made.
- Mustang tossed Maria Ross easily with one hand so Peak Human.
- Lust and May never do any grappling so they're screwed, May should be Athletic and Lust likely Superhuman by virtue of being a Homunculus.
- The Slicer Bros and Barry have the same kinda physiology and are all explicitly stated to be at least somewhat comparable to Al, so maybe they can scale to him with a possibly, "possibly at most" for Barry since he's weaker.
- Hohenheim gets a likely Superhuman, you could scale him to Father but I disagree with them being equal physically since they use their powers in a different way.
- Olivier... yeah, Olivier is just screwed. Superhuman for tossing Alex around, I guess, but with him saving her from Sloth's tackle he's clearly the stronger of the two, she's just more skilled and less hesitant to hurt him.
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