Freddy Krueger Downgrade

[Skyggen]

According to his page Freddy is Wall Level for confronting Jason. But he could not hurt him with physical attacks. He needed his claws and Jason's machete for that, as well as counting on his agility to be able to hit him multiple times. I think it should be 9-C.
The feat that justifies your Wall Level durability is to be hurled through a roof by Jason. However, it was a roof made of wooden planks and this is not the same thing as a concrete wall. Street Level seems like the best option, or "at least Street Level".

 

[Qawsedf234]

Striking Strength/AP can probably be downgraded, but durability wise he take a full on punch from Jaso

 

[Promestein]

He still hurt him with his claws which wouldn't be 9-C.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Promestein.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I thought 9-C sharp things could harm a 9-B. Like a M1 Garand would harm/kill a Bull Shark or Crocodile

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we generally tend to give such characters "9-C unarmed, 9-B with weapons" or somesuch.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Could work with Freddy I guess. 9-C physically, 9-B with his claws.

 

[ByAsura]

Freddy Punched through Ash. It was claws first, but it wasn't just his claws.

Edit: This is if Freddy is a canon composite without the Necronomicon Key though.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Was that when he was amped by the Necronomicon or before?

 

[ByAsura]

I think this was just before he got the Necronomicon, but even if it wasn't, this would be when he was only imbued with it rather than fused. So he couldn't use it to amp his strength, speed, etc, without incanting.

I'll watch the movies again because i think he has a few physical feats in NoES 3 and the final nightmare. I am talking about real world freddy of course.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah he hadn't fused with it at that point.

 

[ByAsura]

Here's some of the stuff i remember:

Freddy has many durability feats on this level in Freddy vs Jason, like being thrown through roofs, across crystal lake, and smashed through sections of a cabin. Since he is still humanoid, he should be able to harm himself without his knifes. He also displays near invulnerability to stab wounds in the second film.

^ On this note, it also appears he somewhat staggers Freddy without his claws, at least more than a damn shovel or clever does.

This is also in the Dream World, but i remembered how freddy rarely ever amps his combat abilities in the dream world (except for Super Freddy). Freddy was able to fight and overpower one of the patients in NoES 3 and 4, who had the strength to casually burst through walls.

Speaking of NoES 3, his physical form also easily killed Nancy's dad by tossing the officer through the... idk, fin, of a car. Since it's his real world physical form and skeleton, it should be comparable, if not weaker, than Real World Freddy.

 

[ByAsura]

I looked, and i couldn't find much more. But i did skim the franchise.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Jason's history against shovels is a bit weird. In VI he just no selled it , but in IX it seemed to move him . Could be that the second shovel is just more durable/didn't give like the first one.

 

[ByAsura]

Wasn't IX created by a new director?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Don't know much about the production history of IX, but Jason wasn't notably weaker or stronger in IX in comparison to his previous movies. He got one of his best gun-durability feats in IX in fact. Also the ability to jump like 12+ feet vertically.

 

[ByAsura]

His possessed forms that are implied to be weaker than the true body actually have some good jason feats as well.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Oh yeah. Even the possesed bodies could snap bones, break wood, withstand close ranged shotgun rounds and point blank head shots.


Mostly I just think that Zombie Jason can be staggered or moved by attacks even if they don't really damage him. Such as being moved by Julius or recoiling from pistol rounds.