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I wanted to make a profile for Black Winter a while back, this seems fine. I also don't have a problem with BDE.
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For black winter
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Thank you for your evaluation
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Okay, I've looked over the sandbox and it looks mostly fine to me. However, I do have a question, where exactly is it stated that the Black Winter is above Mistress Death? None of the scans you have in there imply any real relation between the two.
Edit: Oh and I'm not sure why it killing Yggdrasil would be fate manipulation instead of death manipulation which is noticeably absent from the profile.
Edit: Oh and I'm not sure why it killing Yggdrasil would be fate manipulation instead of death manipulation which is noticeably absent from the profile.
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The base premise is that Black Winter's presence was destroying Yggdrasil's fate cycle, but now that you mention it, that would indeed just be death manipulation. I'm not sure if it's necessarily resistance to fate manipulation either, since the fate cycle breaking down was more of a byproduct of the construct holding it withering away.
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misterss death is a function of 8th cosmos multi Eternity, and black winter came from the outside, beyond 8th cosmos multi Eternity, and black winter is the concept of all death itself, and black winter is a threat that can destroy it for 8th cosmos multi Eternity. In this case, we can understand that Black Winter is independent and transcendent from Mistress Death. When it comes to Yggdrasil, Yggdrasil contains an endless cycle of fate (Ragnarok cycle) within itself, and since Black Winter only came to the 8th Cosmos, Yggdrasil started to die and disappear. If Thor had not destroyed almost all of it, it would have disappeared along with the endless cycle of fate within Yggdrasil. In this case, fate manipulation makes more sense for Black Winter
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By the way, I forgot to mention that besides all these, there is a conceptual transcendence between Black Winter and Misterss Death.
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This seems fine.
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Thank you for your evaluation. And I want to ask, can it be said that this crt is accepted? (because you and some thread mods have the same opinion and also the members)
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Thank you for your evaluation
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Yes but i think you should wait for Ultima a bit tho.
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Thanks for the advice but I really don't have time for this I still have 3 more steps to take
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Looks good to me then.
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Thank you for your evaluation and can it be said that this crt is accepted¿ can we use the profile now?
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You should be able to up and apply it now, no need to keep waiting.
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You are right, frankly, I want a mod to do this and then close this crt.
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Wait a little. Why does the Black Winter's intelligence section say that it has lived since the 2nd cosmos? Where was that stated?
Also some of the spelling and grammar apparently needs to be cleaned up.
Also some of the spelling and grammar apparently needs to be cleaned up.
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I'm sorry, I lost my mind for a moment. With the death of the 2th cosmos, Black Winter is born, it's my fault.
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It's probably because I was distracted for a moment. By the way, which parts do you think need to be cleaned?
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I thought the Black Winter was born out of the shattering of Anti-all in the third cosmos.
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I was thinking this way before the Defenders Beyond series came out.
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Yes, the mentioned scans are already available in profile.
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There is no doubt that Black Winter is the concept of all death that existed with the death of the 2nd Cosmos. as for anti all, I am not sure because even the date of Knull was retconned.Okay. Can you link to them here please?
Also, what other current characters were explicitly shown to be shards of that entity?
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In the scans, it is said/implied that the death of the 2nd Cosmos and the concept of all death exist, and it is stubbornly stated/implied that Black Winter is the concept in question Also, things don't work like that in the Marvel universe. We cannot directly look for concrete evidence, especially on such matters, even if we wanted to. Because the authors explain such things by giving clues and hints for the reader to notice and interpret, Ewingde has already stated this, so their working system is like this and this cannot be a reason to reject the nature of Black Winter.
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The scans are from the Defenders Beyond and Thor (2020) series, I recommend you to visit the references section in the profile
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So if I understand correctly, your interpretation is solely based on that both scans used the same word, "all-death"? That seems far too vague in itself to use to base the interpretation that the Black Winter has been around since the 2nd Cosmos.
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Sigh* I don't understand why you distort my words or ignore some of my words.
The authors stated that Black Winter is the concept of all death in the mentioned series, and we also know that the concept of all death exists with the death of the 2nd Cosmos, so I think it should not be difficult to understand this, and I also told you about the authors' system, so there is no ambiguity here.
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The person you are trying to gloss over by saying (someone) is the authors of the mentioned series, and you are also talking about a similar statement. There is no such thing. The authors have stated that Black Winter is of the concept of all death itself in the mentioned series. The scans I send ıt already show this.
I'm sorry that your attitude of ignoring and looking for excuses here does not suit you or your authority.
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Thor (2020) +
Marvel Voices: Iceman Infinity Comic
In the series, it was stated and also implied that Black Winter is the concept of all death itself, in the Defenders Beyond series, it is stated implicitly that the mentioned concept exists with the death of the 2nd Cosmos. This means that Black Winter exists with the death of the 2nd Cosmos. Like everyone else, I once had it. I thought it came from Anti All, but this became clear with the Defenders Beyond series.
Marvel writers (especially Al Ewing) sometimes do not directly state such issues, they convey them to the reader by implying. Al Ewing also states this, he leaves clues because he wants the reader to notice and interpret such situations, and since it is strongly implied that Black Winter exists with the death of the 2nd Cosmos in the Defenders Beyond series. And since there is no reason to ignore it, we have to accept it
As far as I remember, it was stated on the Galactus or Thor page that the concept of Black Winter/All Death would exist with the death of the 2nd Cosmos (in the mentioned series and in the scans I sent, this is something that the wiki has already accepted).
