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I wanted to make a profile for Black Winter a while back, this seems fine. I also don't have a problem with BDE.
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Thank you for your evaluationSeems fine
The base premise is that Black Winter's presence was destroying Yggdrasil's fate cycle, but now that you mention it, that would indeed just be death manipulation. I'm not sure if it's necessarily resistance to fate manipulation either, since the fate cycle breaking down was more of a byproduct of the construct holding it withering away.Edit: Oh and I'm not sure why it killing Yggdrasil would be fate manipulation instead of death manipulation which is noticeably absent from the profile.
misterss death is a function of 8th cosmos multi Eternity, and black winter came from the outside, beyond 8th cosmos multi Eternity, and black winter is the concept of all death itself, and black winter is a threat that can destroy it for 8th cosmos multi Eternity. In this case, we can understand that Black Winter is independent and transcendent from Mistress Death. When it comes to Yggdrasil, Yggdrasil contains an endless cycle of fate (Ragnarok cycle) within itself, and since Black Winter only came to the 8th Cosmos, Yggdrasil started to die and disappear. If Thor had not destroyed almost all of it, it would have disappeared along with the endless cycle of fate within Yggdrasil. In this case, fate manipulation makes more sense for Black WinterOkay, I've looked over the sandbox and it looks mostly fine to me. However, I do have a question, where exactly is it stated that the Black Winter is above Mistress Death? None of the scans you have in there imply any real relation between the two.
Edit: Oh and I'm not sure why it killing Yggdrasil would be fate manipulation instead of death manipulation which is noticeably absent from the profile.
By the way, I forgot to mention that besides all these, there is a conceptual transcendence between Black Winter and Misterss Death.misterss death is a function of 8th cosmos multi Eternity, and black winter came from the outside, beyond 8th cosmos multi Eternity, and black winter is the concept of all death itself, and black winter is a threat that can destroy it for 8th cosmos multi Eternity. In this case, we can understand that Black Winter is independent and transcendent from Mistress Death. When it comes to Yggdrasil, Yggdrasil contains an endless cycle of fate (Ragnarok cycle) within itself, and since Black Winter only came to the 8th Cosmos, Yggdrasil started to die and disappear. If Thor had not destroyed almost all of it, it would have disappeared along with the endless cycle of fate within Yggdrasil. In this case, fate manipulation makes more sense for Black Winter
Thank you for your evaluation. And I want to ask, can it be said that this crt is accepted? (because you and some thread mods have the same opinion and also the members)This seems fine.
Thank you for your evaluationThe only thing I was skeptical about was BDE 2 but Alonik's points make sense so I have no problem with them, the rest is fine.
Yes but i think you should wait for Ultima a bit tho.Thank you for your evaluation. And I want to ask, can it be said that this crt is accepted? (because you and some thread mods have the same opinion and also the members)
Thanks for the advice but I really don't have time for this I still have 3 more steps to takeYes but i think you should wait for Ultima a bit tho.
Thank you for your evaluation and can it be said that this crt is accepted¿ can we use the profile now?Looks good to me then.
You should be able to up and apply it now, no need to keep waiting.Bump
You are right, frankly, I want a mod to do this and then close this crt.You should be able to up and apply it now, no need to keep waiting.
I'm sorry, I lost my mind for a moment. With the death of the 2th cosmos, Black Winter is born, it's my fault.Wait a little. Why does the Black Winter's intelligence section say that it has lived since the 2nd cosmos? Where was that stated?
Also some of the spelling and grammar apparently needs to be cleaned up.
It's probably because I was distracted for a moment. By the way, which parts do you think need to be cleaned?I'm sorry, I lost my mind for a moment. With the death of the 2th cosmos, Black Winter is born, it's my fault.
I was thinking this way before the Defenders Beyond series came out.I thought the Black Winter was born out of the shattering of Anti-all in the third cosmos.
Yes, the mentioned scans are already available in profile.Really? Was that explicitly shown?
There is no doubt that Black Winter is the concept of all death that existed with the death of the 2nd Cosmos. as for anti all, I am not sure because even the date of Knull was retconned.Okay. Can you link to them here please?
Also, what other current characters were explicitly shown to be shards of that entity?
In the scans, it is said/implied that the death of the 2nd Cosmos and the concept of all death exist, and it is stubbornly stated/implied that Black Winter is the concept in question Also, things don't work like that in the Marvel universe. We cannot directly look for concrete evidence, especially on such matters, even if we wanted to. Because the authors explain such things by giving clues and hints for the reader to notice and interpret, Ewingde has already stated this, so their working system is like this and this cannot be a reason to reject the nature of Black Winter.Okay, but where in those scans is the explicit evidence? Was it shOwn in another story, such as the final issue of Al Ewing's first Defenders miniseries?
The scans are from the Defenders Beyond and Thor (2020) series, I recommend you to visit the references section in the profileIn the scans, it is said/implied that the death of the 2nd Cosmos and the concept of all death exist, and it is stubbornly stated/implied that Black Winter is the concept in question Also, things don't work like that in the Marvel universe. We cannot directly look for concrete evidence, especially on such matters, even if we wanted to. Because the authors explain such things by giving clues and hints for the reader to notice and interpret, Ewingde has already stated this, so their working system is like this and this cannot be a reason to reject the nature of Black Winter.
Sigh* I don't understand why you distort my words or ignore some of my words.So if I understand correctly, your interpretation is solely based on that both scans used the same word, "all-death"? That seems far too vague in itself to use to base the interpretation that the Black Winter has been around since the 2nd Cosmos.
The person you are trying to gloss over by saying (someone) is the authors of the mentioned series, and you are also talking about a similar statement. There is no such thing. The authors have stated that Black Winter is of the concept of all death itself in the mentioned series. The scans I send ıt already show this.Just because somebody uses a similar desçription, this does not automaticaĺly make them identical. I do not accept this interpretation without further evidence. My apologies.
Thor (2020) +Please explain all of the available evidence for this, including author statements.