Flower vs Fire: Kinemon vs Vista

[Godernet]

Vista was even with a casual Mihawk and forced Akainu on guard.

His only feats against Akainu were tagging him along with Marco when he was looking at Jinbei iirc

Kin'emon needed his 8 homies just to match a casual Kaido.

Kaido was putting a lot more effort to hurt them than a casual fight would suggest, I wouldn't call that casual. Mihawk vs Vista was casual.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Dude Kaifu took Kiku's arm off like nothing, keep in mind Kiku is comparable to Kinemon.
Killer deflected Kaifu. Vista is above all of them simply by clashing with a semi-casual Mihawk.

 

[Godernet]

Dude Kaifu took Kiku's arm off like nothing, keep in mind Kiku is comparable to Kinemon.
Killer deflected Kaifu. Vista is above all of them simply by clashing with a semi-casual Mihawk.

are you saying Killer can't clash with a casual Mihawk?

Also didn't Daz Bones clash with Mihawk too?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

are you saying Killer can't clash with a casual Mihawk?

Probably not as well as Vista did.

Also didn't Daz Bones clash with Mihawk too?

If by clash you mean got clapped by it and bleeding then yeah.

 

[Eseseso]

are you saying Killer can't clash with a casual Mihawk?

Probably, but he still scales above Kin'emon

 

[Godernet]

Probably not as well as Vista did.

we don't know that. Vista accomplished nothing in his clash with Mihawk so it's not like it'd be hard for Killer to top.

If by clash you mean got clapped by it and bleeding then yeah.

true but looking at the scene again Crocodile had an even clash with him as well.

 

[Godernet]

Probably, but he still scales above Kin'emon

not by much and Kinemons dura neg would still help him damage vista.

they also don't scale much differently in speed.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

we don't know that. Vista accomplished nothing in his clash with Mihawk so it's not like it'd be hard for Killer to top.

They just couldn't outpace the other or land a hit.

 

[SlendVeny]

are you saying Killer can't clash with a casual Mihawk?

Also didn't Daz Bones clash with Mihawk too?

Daz Bones resists cutting attacks.

 

[SlendVeny]

And I'm pretty sure they were fairly even. Both agreed it would be better off for them to not fight, despite being rivals.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Daz Bones resists cutting attacks.

Haki.

 

[SlendVeny]

Haki.

Did he use Haki on Daz?

 

[SlendVeny]

Did he use Haki on Daz?

I mean, I know he did later on, but he probably didn't use it on the first hit.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Did he use Haki on Daz?

Probably.
Either way Daz was bleeding like a mofo from it.

 

[SlendVeny]

Probably.
Either way Daz was bleeding like a mofo from it.

Ah. Shame, that.

 

[SlendVeny]

Anyway, since I read the Vista page every day first thing in the morning, I know how this goes, and he wins.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Anyway, since I read the Vista page every day first thing in the morning, I know how this goes, and he wins.

Vista is HIM

He's talking about people who think Shanks(pure hakiman)>Mihawk(pure swordman)

No you don't get it Mihawk just has more SKILL not more STRENGTH or HAKI
...
What do you mean I'm overdosing on copium?

 

[Kachon123]

Jokes aside, I'm voting for Vista.

Superior Skill
Higher AP
Higher Dura
Higher Stamina

Kin's endurance will only get him so far.

 

[SlendVeny]

Vista in Marineford:

-Helped beat up a Vice Admiral Giant
-Blocked a hit from Mihawk, then fought him for a bit
-Postponed the duel so they wouldn't both get attacked by annoying pacifistas
-Intercepted some marine cannonballs aimed at Luffy
-Fought, with Marco, Akainu, and stated he shouldn't have let his guard down(possibly meaning he could have saved Ace?)
-Left in good condition.

 

[Fireld]

and forced Akainu on guard

Screw that reasoning

 

[DaMonkeMan]

They didn't "force" anything.
Akainu had better Haki and capitalized on it, though that implies that it would have hurt which is why he did that in the first place..

 

[Fireld]

Ofc it would, most get hurt from piercing. Why do you think I gave Fanky & Kuma that fancy resistance? Like even Momo could hurt Raizo with a knife.

 

[Eseseso]

Ofc it would, most get hurt from piercing. Why do you think I gave Fanky & Kuma that fancy resistance? Like even Momo could hurt Raizo with a knife.

You mean Kanjuro?

 

[Fireld]

ye, mb

 

[SlendVeny]

even Momo could hurt Raizo with a knife.

That's because he ordered him to get hurt.

 

[That_moron2]

Vista fra.

 

[That_moron2]

all that really confirms is relative skill,

What the ****? Being able to compete with Mihawk seems like it confirms being somewhat relative.

 

[Godernet]

ngl I really, really, really don't feel like trying to gas the hell out of Kinemon like I was yesterday lol

So in all seriousness, Vista probably does pack up Kinemon unfortunately.

His stats are higher though I don't think the gap is insane and Kinemon could probably still damage him with Adv Armarment.

But that's only if Kin could tag him. Vista being as skilled a Swordsman as Mihawk is pretty much the nail in the coffin, if a Casual Mihawk struggles to tag him I doubt Kinemon would very many times if at all. Even Kaido already pointed out that the Scabbards' Nitoryuu was inferior to Oden's.

Kinemon does have higher stamina and endurance feats but they won't be able to carry him if Vista is just blatantly better than him.

 

[Fireld]

-Helped beat up a Vice Admiral Giant

Nani!?

 

[SlendVeny]

Nani!?

Yeah, he can block a big axe with his swords, what's the issue?

 

[Fireld]

Yeah, he can block a big axe with his swords, what's the issue?

You said "help beat up that VA giant". That giant was clean the next chapter let alone beat up, that was my problem.

 

[SlendVeny]

You said "help beat up that VA giant". That giant was clean the next chapter let alone beat up, that was my problem.

Well, he helped beat him up in that he stopped his attack.

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah, he can block a big axe with his swords, what's the issue?

Bro, that Giant Vice Admiral was literally said to be capable of fighting Vista and the other WB captains in Fireld's scan.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Why do y'all care about a random VA giant?

 

[SlendVeny]

Bro, that Giant Vice Admiral was literally said to be capable of fighting Vista and the other WB captains in Fireld's scan.

Well, he must be strong, then. In fact, that'd put him in the top 5 vice admirals

 

[Eseseso]

Do we have enough votes for grace?

 

[Godernet]

as long as we're all voting for Kin

 

[DaMonkeMan]

as long as we're all voting for Wista

 

[SlendVeny]

Thank you monke man

 

[Godernet]