Flash's tier

[Random1201]

I know The Flash is 4-B with the Infinite Mass Punch.

But, how strong is he without it? Or does he always use it?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Didn't he once hit someone with the mass of a moon, or something like that?

 

[Random1201]

Bump

 

[Js250476]

Well I believe durability wise Flash scales to Zoom who could survive an IMP from him and in pre Crisis he once punched so Hard he could "knock a planet off it's Axis"

 

[Random1201]

I suggest that however strong Flash is normally should be listed. For example: "5-B normally, 4-B with the Infinite Mass Punch".

Just an example though. I have no clue what Wally's AP is without the IMP.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Can't his regular attacks damage some of his opponents who can survive IMP?

 

[Js250476]

Iirc he's harmed Zoom before who can survive an IMP so I think so

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Zoom was also stated to hit harder than Superman, so, if Wally took hits, his durability also scales.

 

[Random1201]

According to his profile, Zoom actually has to accelerate to top speed to do that (strike harder than Supes).

Also, wouldn't it be a bit odd for Flash's normal punches to be as strong as the Infinite Mass Punch?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, when Zoom fought Wonder Woman, and she made that observation, he did not accelerate, as far as I remember.

 

[PaChi2]

Isnt IMP just flash reaching LS? Something he can do even asleep? I'd say he is 4-B normally.

 

[Antvasima]

Good point.

 

[Random1201]

Doesn't he run "just under" lightspeed to perform the IMP? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...der/Flash:_Explaining_the_Infinite_Mass_Punch

 

[PaChi2]

Doesn't he run "just under" lightspeed to perform the IMP? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...der/Flash:_Explaining_the_Infinite_Mass_Punch

We are already breaking physics in half with FTL stuff. There is no indication that a FTL flash cannot perform IMP. Problem is that we cannot give him anything higher than 4-B even if he is going faster because... physics.

 

[Antvasima]

PaChi2 is correct.

 

[RageComment]

Flash's Durability and AP are variable. From Human Levels to whatever his IMP grants him, and even the IMP can vary based on how much of the Speedforce Flash is channeling. The Profile could Note, Variable up to 4-B, or something. Or it can just list his calculated Maximum.