Flash Environmental Destruction downgrade

[Emirp sumitpo]

So the Post Crisis Flashes don't really have any justification for "possibly 2-A"

The entire Speed Force assisted Pandora in merging the New Earth, Wildstorm, and Vertigo universes.[7].

This is only 2-C. This one is a bit weird considering I don't see any mentions that Barry had used the entire Speed Force when he was helping Pandora. If anyone can find a scan for this, it'd be appreciated.

Though I should add that Barry with the entire speed force was able to alter the timeline as stated by Thawne. Saw that would make it a Low 2-C Environmental Destruction feat. Not exactly related, but I thought it'd add as extra justification. Source is Flashpoint #5 (2011)

The Speed force exists in every dimension, universe, and era.[16])

I don't see what this has to do with AP or Environmental Destruction other than the Speed Force being in omnipresent.

Should be comparable to Bart Allen who volunteered to absorb the entire Speed Force so that he would be fast enough to stop Superboy-Prime[8])

This is a speed feat and not an Environmental Destruction one. Also Superboy Prime varies in AP, that being one of the reasons why 2-C, possibly 2-A went from AP to ED, because there wasn't proof that SP was at his peak in the OG thread.

In conclusion, The Flashes' environmental destruction should simply be 2-C unless someone can give better reasonings for possibly 2-A.

They should also get "Higher with the Entire Speed Force" because as shown prior, absorbing the Speed Force does increase their speed.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

@Confluctor @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Eficiente

Would you be able to help input?

 

[Firestorm808]

Will go over when available.

 

[Confluctor]

Hmmm... Sure I don't really mind tbh

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that this seems to make sense, but all of the characters that scale from The Flash need to be updated as well.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I suppose that this seems to make sense, but all of the characters that scale from The Flash need to be updated as well.

Only Wally and Barry scale to this afaik. We don't have a Bart profile

 

[Firestorm808]

Seems fine.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok, so I'll apply this. @Antvasima , could you unlock Wally West and Barry Allen please?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Tell me here when you are done please.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

They're still locked

 

[Antvasima]

Sorry. I have unlocked them now.

 

[denzeelmao]

Ive done the tier changes since no one else was doing them. Hope thats fine
Any minor additions i missed can also be applied.

 

[Antvasima]

Can you verify that the changes look good please, @Emirp sumitpo ?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'll tweak the justifications later

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm done

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

Should I lock the pages in question and close this thread then?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yeah

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.