First Man Standing - Adam VS Adam (Grace)

[ShionAH]

Hazbin Hotel vs Record of Ragnarok

Rules
-Speed is equalized
-Dickmaster has Invulnerability
-Battle takes place in Eden, they are fighting over who will get to eat the cool apple
-HH Eve and RoR Eve are also fighting in the background

Dickmaster -
Father -
Lucifer tricks them both - 7 (@azontr, @ShionAH, @MintyBoi1, @Homie890 @Phsccarvalho, @ReaperAndBlues, @TheOrangeGuy09)

Grace

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[Dark_Soul20189]

Let's goooo, I have been waiting for this matchup

What is a more in-depth win-con for each character? Would be preferred if this, was answered by a scaler of the verse.

 

[ShionAH]

AP

RoR Adam - 467.39 Megatons
Hazbin Adam - 375.61 megatons

RoR has a little advantage here but HHs durability should make this gap irrelevant

LS

RoR Adam - Unknown
Hazbin Adam - 1156 Tons

Wow. If HH grabs RoR, it is over

 

[ShionAH]

Bump

 

[Huesito88]

Why is speed equalized?

 

[ShionAH]

Why is speed equalized?

Guess

 

[CodeCCLL]

What is a more in-depth win-con for each character?

Dickmaster takes his angelic guitar-axe and chases his counterpart into hell.

 

[Giannysmag]

Are they in-character?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

There's nothing stopping ROR Adam from weaving and copying all of HH Adam's attacks considering he's literally a divine being so his powers are free game, including his wings.

 

[ShionAH]

I mean if HH Adam grabs him once, he could literally pull him apart like he is paper

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean if HH Adam grabs him once, he could literally pull him apart like he is paper

Which isn't happening due to the massive difference in skill and ability to copy powers, whether they be physical skills or physical attributes like biological body parts.

 

[Giannysmag]

I mean if HH Adam grabs him once, he could literally pull him apart like he is paper

I don't think that's how LS works (also he wouldn't do that in character)

 

[ShionAH]

I don't think that's how LS works

That is how it works funnily enough

(also he wouldn't do that in character)

According to the testing voice recording it is pretty in character

Which isn't happening due to the massive difference in skill

(ROR) Adams page says he is only above average in fighting...

 

[azontr]

Adam (RoR) copies all of Adam's (HH) moves better and faster than he can do them, and stomps. The immortality keeps him from death but there's really nothing he can do against an opponent whose basically everything he is but better.

 

[ShionAH]

Should I change it to Invunlerability?

 

[Giannysmag]

That is how it works funnily enough

That's stupid then, ROR!Adam has higher dura than HH!Adams AP, their LS shouldn't change that

According to the testing voice recording it is pretty in character

The what now?

(ROR) Adams page says he is only above average in fighting...

Which still better than HH!Adam's skill

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That is how it works funnily enough

According to the testing voice recording it is pretty in character

(ROR) Adams page says he is only above average in fighting...

Being above average is better than anything HH has since it's made very clear by Alastor that HH Adam is a shit fighter and just relies on his overwhelming stat advantage.

 

[azontr]

The fight is an inconclusive either way. HH Adam has no feasible wincon barring just outlasting him, but RoR Adam has better stamina so even if HH Adam can't be hurt, RoR Adam isn't tiring out first.

Not to mention, RoR Adam should logically scale far above his 7-A value given the feat was performed by human Lu-Bu, like waaaaayyyy above it. HH Adam probably isn't even going to hurt him.

 

[ShionAH]

That's stupid then, ROR!Adam has higher dura than HH!Adams AP, their LS shouldn't change that

It does, I really dont knjow why.

The what now?

HH Adam is a shit fighter and just relies on his overwhelming stat advantage.

To be fair Alastor was talking about his defense, since as an Angel he sees himself as immortal.

So you guys think I should give Adam Inv or smth?

 

[azontr]

So you guys think I should give Adam Inv or smth?

Invulnerability doesn't change anything. HH isn't putting hands on a guy who can do everything he can but stronger and faster. It's an inconclusive because RoR Adam can't actually kill him, whether or not you keep it as Immortality or Invulnerability.

 

[Giannysmag]

So you guys think I should give Adam Inv or smth?

Wouldn't Volund neg that like it does the gods invul?

 

[ShionAH]

Alright counted

 

[Giannysmag]

Invulnerability doesn't change anything. HH isn't putting hands on a guy who can do everything he can but stronger and faster. It's an inconclusive because RoR Adam can't actually kill him, whether or not you keep it as Immortality or Invulnerability.

Well incapacitation is a valid wincon under SBA so if ROR!Adam beats up HH!Adam hard enough he could win

 

[Spinoirr]

RoR Adam wins bc of this

 

[azontr]

Well incapacitation is a valid wincon under SBA so if ROR!Adam beats up HH!Adam hard enough he could win

Invulnerability would make beating him into submission impossible, no?

With Immortality, that may be valid. But RoR Adam would ask him to surrender before it got to that point.

 

[ShionAH]

Also Adam can regenerate damage pretty quickly, would that help? He near instantly regenerated the trident stab

 

[Giannysmag]

Invulnerability would make beating him into submission impossible, no?

Wouldn't Volund neg that like it does the gods invul?

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With Immortality, that may be valid. But RoR Adam would ask him to surrender before it got to that point.

If HH!Adam continues the fight so will ROR!Adam

 

[ShionAH]

I gave Adam Invulnerability, it should be incon now

 

[azontr]

?

Ignoring the fact that God invulnerability is kind of goofy nonsense (that's for another day), I think you'd have to verse equalize HH divinity to RoR divinity for it to work.

 

[Giannysmag]

Ignoring the fact that God invulnerability is kind of goofy nonsense (that's for another day), I think you'd have to verse equalize HH divinity to RoR divinity for it to work.

Aren't we already doing that for Adam's copy to work?

 

[azontr]

Aren't we already doing that for Adam's copy to work?

True.

 

[ShionAH]

Aren't we already doing that for Adam's copy to work?

Copying abilities and assuming Adams stuff comes from the same source as RoR Gods is hugely different

 

[Giannysmag]

Copying abilities and assuming Adams stuff comes from the same source as RoR Gods is hugely different

ROR!Adam can only copy divine techniques, since we agreed that he could copy HH!Adam's moves i assumed we had equalized the verses divinity

 

[ShionAH]

ROR!Adam can only copy divine techniques, since we agreed that he could copy HH!Adam's moves i assumed we had equalized the verses divinity

Idfk just go incon

 

[Giannysmag]

Idfk just go incon

Nah i need to rep my goat

 

[azontr]

One thing we might (maybe) want to address is that RoR Adam scales way above his value, while HH Adam did his feat with an energy blast that required effort, so HH Adam may not even be able to do much damage anyways.

 

[ShionAH]

while HH Adam did his feat with an energy blast that required effort, so HH Adam may not even be able to do much damage anyways.

Tbh he did that feat after he already fought Charlie and took a full force punch from Lucifer and while Adam did require effort, right after doing it he was charging head first to Lucifer which imply he was not fatigued or anything like that

 

[azontr]

I mean even if the blast didn't fatigue it the point is that it wasn't like, a casual feat for Adam. If anything, that's just a stamina feat.

Only the Lucifer part though, because he was whooping Charlie's ass with like no effort lol.

 

[AThe1412]

If Angels = Gods which seems to be the case as they're both viewed as "divine" then ROR Adam should be able to damage HH Adam. Voting the Chad Father of Humanity.

 

[azontr]

Angels in RoR are also considered to be God's iirc, funny enough.