Fire vs Fire + 34 Other Elements (Genos vs Player [Elemental Battlegrounds] {ROUND 2} (0-2-0)

[Arkansalter2]

ROUND 2.


Beginning of Series Genos will be used
Player is Bloodlusted
Speed equalized (player is sub-rel hell no lmfao)
SBA for everything else

Genos:
Player: @Delusionaltx2 @MannyQ361
Guest 666 bans them both (again):

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

Boo mop.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Boom.

 

[Arkansalter2]

BOORAH

 

[Arkansalter2]

Boo

 

[Kachon123]

Why is Beginning of Series Genos being used?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Why is Beginning of Series Genos being used?

Because John EBG got giga nerfed to damn near baseline 7-C.

 

[Kachon123]

Alright. What are Player's wincons and why don't they get blown away by Incineration Cannons?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Alright. What are Player's wincons

Combos, Paralysis spam, Time stop,

blown away by Incineration Cannons?

Shielding spells.

 

[Kachon123]

Combos, Paralysis spam, Time stop,

Those are abilities and strategies, not wincons. Genos has very good stamina and endurance. Does Player have a hax that can somehow bypass this? Like a durability negating spell? Or something that can incapacitate him?

Shielding spells.

Does this give Player I-Frames? Because if not, they (and Player) get blasted away by the large 500-meter AoE.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Does this give Player I-Frames? Because if not, they (and Player) get blasted away by the large 500-meter AoE.

Absorbing Slime can do this, basically nullifying his shots.

Those are abilities and strategies, not wincons. Genos has very good stamina and endurance

Yes however, he doesn't have crack willpower like the other OPM people in this key.

 

[Kachon123]

Absorbing Slime can do this, basically nullifying his shots.

The slime would likely just get blown away by the force of Genos' attack or incinerated by its immense heat.

Yes however, he doesn't have crack willpower like the other OPM people in this key.

I don't think I claimed he did?

 

[Arkansalter2]

The slime would likely just get blown away by the force of Genos' attack or incinerated by its immense heat.

It's only a rougly <2x gap. That is unlikely to happen.

I don't think I claimed he did?

Player can withstand a lot of shit, including being nuked.

 

[AigerTheKing]

How much heat can Genos produce

 

[Kachon123]

It's only a rougly <2x gap. That is unlikely to happen.

The gap is still there. Also it's >2x, not <2x. That's bigger than you'd expect, especially when we're talking about a massive explosion completely encompassing the slime.

Player can withstand a lot of shit, including being nuked.

He can only survive so long without his limbs.

 

[Arkansalter2]

He can only survive so long without his limbs.

He would need the LS to do that.
Last time I checked, his class 5 can't rip through at least Class K spells when he tries to get close.

The gap is still there. Also it's >2x, not <2x.

No... Player upscales quite a lot from his original value. The meteors are only his weakest spells as plenty of spells are stronger than them. Not to mention that player has his own nukes that he can use.
Btw, what's Genos doing about time stop?

 

[Kachon123]

He would need the LS to do that.
Last time I checked, his class 5 can't rip through at least Class K spells when he tries to get close.

Last time I checked spells aren't limbs. If he gets close he's simply nuke both himself and Player so Genos always has the advantage there.

No... Player upscales quite a lot from his original value. The meteors are only his weakest spells as plenty of spells are stronger than them. Not to mention that player has his own nukes that he can use.

As does Genos.

Btw, what's Genos doing about time stop?

Withstanding the hits?

 

[Arkansalter2]

If he gets close he's simply nuke both himself and Player so Genos always has the advantage there.

So if he does nuke himself, that'll just make this incon. How fast does it take for him to nuke himself? Because if it takes a little bit, player can do this which gives him damage reduction.

Withstanding the hits?

So you're telling me that Genos can withstand this and possibly more spells after that?
I'm not buying it.

 

[Kachon123]

So if he does nuke himself, that'll just make this incon. How fast does it take for him to nuke himself? Because if it takes a little bit, player can do this which gives him damage reduction.

Why would it be incon lmao. Look at Genos' durability rating. It's instant.

So you're telling me that Genos can withstand this and possibly more spells after that?

Yes? He can already tank his own attacks with 0 damage. On top of his endurance and the fact that over 80% of his body is cyborgified meaning he wouldn't even be feeling most of it physically.

 

[Arkansalter2]

On top of his endurance and the fact that over 80% of his body is cyborgified meaning he wouldn't even be feeling most of it physically.

So you're telling me that he has no way around the various easy to hit paralysis spam, blindness spam, movement tech, or the various amount of heals he has?

Look at Genos' durability rating.

Literally still only about a 2x gap. At the minimum, that would hurt John EBG quite a bit but that's not really doing anything to him physically as he has immo 2 so he survived much worse.

 

[Kachon123]

So you're telling me that he has no way around the various easy to hit paralysis spam, blindness spam, movement tech, or the various amount of heals he has?

Not only are all of those quite easy to dodge, but Genos can literally just overpower them with his own attacks. You have to say what his opening attack is because he has more than a dozen spells and saying "oh well he has this" for every single counterargument is quite frankly dumb and I'm not going to waste my time interacting with it like I did in that Garou thread.

Literally still only about a 2x gap. At the minimum, that would hurt John EBG quite a bit but that's not really doing anything to him physically as he has immo 2 so he survived much worse.

Genos can tank attacks that are over 2x stronger than Player's rating.

This would hurt him a lot. Genos' physical strikes already scale above his value and his incineration cannons are so powerful that he can literally blow away people relative to them. Player isn't just going to take these hits. Especially not with missing limbs.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Clockwise top to bottom.
Ace up the sleeve: Shoots cards that invert movement when hit. Any way around that? No.
The World: Time stop.
Neutron Punch: Paralyzes the opponent and punches them with the force of jesus, knocking them back.
Splitting Slime: Easy to hit paralysis move that sets player up for a combo.
Ash Pulse: Shoots a projectile that splits into 8 other projectiles.

You have to say what his opening attack is because he has more than a dozen spells and saying "oh well he has this" for every single counterargument is quite frankly dumb and I'm not going to waste my time interacting with it like I did in that Garou thread.

Elemental Battlegrounds doesn't really have an "in-character" modus operandi for how players work in-combat. The game's main goal is for players to fight each-other and collect shards/gems. They obtain shards and gems by killing one another or via collecting them around the map (which, again, requires fighting other players). Because of this, it can be assumed that they'll just "kill" in-character because the game rewards them for it.

Hell, there's even a "Survival" gamemode where random creeps & weirdos spawn in and you kill them for EBG brownie points (shards & gems), so that just cements that they will just kill shit because it's what they do.

Last two quotes embalmers words

 

[Kachon123]

Ace up the sleeve: Shoots cards that invert movement when hit. Any way around that? No.

Blowing them away.

The World: Time stop.

Doesn't last long. Read above messages.

Neutron Punch: Paralyzes the opponent and punches them with the force of jesus, knocking them back.

Genos is physically stronger and has superior LS. If he tries this he's getting his arms ripped off.

Splitting Slime: Easy to hit paralysis move that sets player up for a combo.

A giant slime ball that falls from the sky. Genos easily dodges or blows it up.

Ash Pulse: Shoots a projectile that splits into 8 other projectiles.

Blows them away with his own projectiles.

Last two quotes embalmers words

This is irrelevant. I don't care about his willingness to kill. That wasn't my point. Saying that Player has a million options and choosing whichever one you deem ft depending on what counterargument someone brings up is not how debates work, and it's not something I'll interact with.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Saying that Player has a million options and choosing whichever one you deem ft depending on what counterargument someone brings up is not how debates work, and it's not something I'll interact with.

Lemme break it down for you mark.
John EBG doesn't have a "in character" modus operandi of how he works. Players in the game don't really have a first move. They just kill s*** because it's just what they do.
If you don't like arguing against this character, you really should just unfollow because apparently you don't like player inserts, let alone roblox player inserts.

 

[Kachon123]

Lemme break it down for you mark.
Player doesn't have a "in character" modus operandi of how he works. Players in the game don't really have a first move. They just kill s*** because it's just what they do.
If you don't like arguing against this character, you really should just unfollow because apparently you don't like player inserts, let alone roblox player inserts.

You're missing my point and I think you missed the point of that quote as well, which is quite ironic considering you went out of your way to type in a huge font with bold.

What that quote is saying is Player uses whatever he needs to kill his opponent. Not switching your argument because Genos has a counter to one spell.

You said that Player would use a slime shield. I said that Genos would blow it away. You switched to saying he'd use a damage reduction spell. Do you see what I'm getting at? The way you're arguing doesn't work. If there's anyone that should step away from this thread it's you. You should take the time to read through the various versus matches made in this website to learn how to argue for a character with internal consistency because clearly you don't know how.

 

[Arkansalter2]

You're missing my point and I think you missed the point of that quote as well, which is quite ironic considering you went out of your way to type in a huge font with bold.

What that quote is saying is Player uses whatever he needs to kill his opponent. Not switching your argument because Genos has a counter to one spell.

You said that Player would use a slime shield. I said that Genos would blow it away. You switched to saying he'd use a damage reduction spell. Do you see what I'm getting at? The way you're arguing doesn't work. If there's anyone that should step away from this thread it's you. You should take the time to read through the various versus matches made in this website to learn how to argue for a character with internal consistency because clearly you don't know how.

It's a f****** player insert. What do you want me to do?

 

[Robo432343]

the player gets incinerated lol

 

[Kachon123]

It's a f****** player insert. What do you want me to do?

To not switch your arguments? You can't claim that the Player would do something and then when presented with a counter switch to say he'd do something completely different.

 

[Arkansalter2]

the player gets incinerated lol

Not quite. Flame Body makes him immune to flames and burn damage shenanigans.
We've already established that his incineration cannons would just get deflected. The cast and the spell is uninterruptible along with plenty of other spells so I fail to realize how Slime Shield would get swatted away by a cannon.

To not switch your arguments? You can't claim that the Player would do something and then when presented with a counter switch to say he'd do something completely different.

It's literally what player can do??? Player can switch up his attacks in case one doesn't work?

 

[Kachon123]

It's literally what player can do??? Player can switch up his attacks in case one doesn't work?

If he puts up a Slime Shield and it gets blows away, he's getting hit. He's not going to just somehow have his other spells activated, especially when the vast majority have a start-up time.

 

[Kachon123]

We've already established that his incineration cannons would just get deflected. The cast and the spell is uninterruptible along with plenty of other spells so I fail to realize how Slime Shield would get swatted away by a cannon.

Because it has higher AP as well as it being a large 500-meter AOE explosion with nothing to be deflected??

 

[Arkansalter2]

He's not going to just somehow have his other spells activated, especially when the vast majority have a start-up time.

Yeah but.. he'll just cast another spell.

Because it has higher AP as well as it being a large 500-meter AOE explosion with nothing to be deflected??

It's literally only a 2x gap. In the game, not even the strongest of player's attacks can interrupt the cast of the move, let alone interrupt it as it's going. He literally has Class K lifting strength with spells. Genos is only class 5. How they would end up going through is beyond me.

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah but.. he'll just cast another spell.

After getting hit.

It's literally only a 2x gap. In the game, not even the strongest of player's attacks can interrupt the cast of the move, let alone interrupt it as it's going. He literally has Class K lifting strength with spells. Genos is only class 5. How they would end up going through is beyond me.

I never claimed that Genos would interrupt the casting of Player's smile shield, only that Player would not be able to cast a spell in between the explosion blowing away the slime and hitting him.

Spells in-game being unable to destroy the slime shield is either a game mechanic or it simply means they're not powerful enough. The lifting strength of the slime is completely irrelevant to its ability to withstand blows. "Only a 2x gap" as if that's not a big gap for a large AOE explosion. I mean just for reference, the difference in punching power between the best boxers in the world and intermediate fighters is less than 2x. Even in this wiki, the gap for a one-shot is a mere 8x.

 

[Arkansalter2]

After getting hit.

Did I claim that he wouldn't get hit? No. Smoove.

Spells in-game being unable to destroy the slime shield is either a game mechanic or it simply means they're not powerful enough

Their 312 KT environmental destruction nuke can't even break it.

 

[Kachon123]

Did I claim that he wouldn't get hit? No. Smoove.

You claimed he would use spells prior to get hit to reduce damage. You're no following your own arguments.

Their 312 KT environmental destruction nuke can't even break it.

So then it's High 7-C?

 

[Arkansalter2]

You claimed he would use spells prior to get hit to reduce damage. You're no following your own arguments.

His slime shield reduces damage dealt to him by 80%, even if the actual shield is swept away or bypassed somehow because you claim that his shield would be swept away with an attack.

You claimed he would use spells prior to get hit to reduce damage. You're no following your own arguments.

So then it's High 7-C?

Can't break it but it can still harm him, albeit much much less due to the damage reduction provided.

 

[Kachon123]

His slime shield reduces damage dealt to him by 80%, even if the actual shield is swept away or bypassed somehow because you claim that his shield would be swept away with an attack.

Can't break it but it can still harm him, albeit much much less due to the damage reduction provided.

Is it the shield itself that reduces damage? That seems to be the case. If its blown away I see no reason why the damage reduction would remain.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Is it the shield itself that reduces damage? That seems to be the case. If its blown away I see no reason why the damage reduction would remain.

Not even the shield itself. The shield protects the player from projectiles.
The move just straight up gives player 80% damage reduction even if the attack bypasses the shield (because yes sometimes they can do that) so as long the move is still casting.

But we're going absolutely nowhere arguing about one move.

What's Genos doing about Invisibility? Genos doesn't have neutral vision.
Genos can't even bust out of the class K vine trap, let alone try to blow it up since it can't really be escaped or blown up.
Or him just turning into a big ass dragon.
Or him just having teleports as dashes and passive healing.
Or him having homing attacks.

 

[Kachon123]

What's Genos doing about Invisibility? Genos doesn't have neutral vision.

Nuke the area.

Genos can't even bust out of the class K vine trap, let alone try to blow it up since it can't really be escaped or blown up.

Burn it.

Or him just turning into a big ass dragon.

Much bigger target for Genos to land several incineration cannons on at once.

Or him just having teleports as dashes and passive healing.

Or him just having teleports as dashes and passive healing.

This can only be done for a short period of time and the movements are very obvious.

Or him having homing attacks.

Blow them away.


I hope you realize that nearly 90% of Player's toolkit (projectiles) are countered by any single one of Genos'. He'd have to rely on his other attacks, which quite frankly are not enough to put Genos down. Meanwhile all Genos needs is a few good hits or just to get close as he's a far more skilled combatant cqc. He's not gonna let Player cast any skills up close and he'll rip all limbs off like he did to Mosquito Girl and Armored Gorilla.